Something Else That Trump Couldn't Be Bothered to Get Right: Termination of Union Members Have to Adhere to Their Collective Bargaining Agreement-CBA

[BlackSand]

you have never worked in a govt installation have you?....

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Only the military ... And the rules are much different under the UCMJ.

However ... Working for a Trademarking Agency and then a Pharmaceutical Manufacturer ...
I have had a lot of dealings with both Private Sector and Government Employees as well as Managers.

Both of those jobs also were focused on Compliance and Quality Control though ...
So those aspects are always going to be more important to me than any excuse to do less.

I am willing to understand and admit where my views may differ ...
From someone who simply wants to go to work, deal with whatever shit they feel they need to, get paid and go home.

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[BlackSand]

NO party works for US the average American. & WE let it happen.

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If you want me to agree that the Establishment, consisting of both major parties ...
Is more interested in rearranging the deck chairs in the shitshow on Capitol Hill than the People ... I do ...

But then again ... I don't have a whole lot of faith in the government to start with ...
And show little more than apathy towards either party.

Best suggestion ... Quit waiting for other people to fix shit for you ...
And seize the reigns of your own destiny ... Or you're just going to find yourself bitching about how bad things are ...
And what someone else failed to do for you.

Not you in particular ... Just saying.

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[Billiejeens]

Did you know that some people are so fucking incredibly stupid that they were easily brainwashed by the fake news into believing Musk was giving a Nazi salute?

Do you know any of those complete morons?

Half the group?

 

[CowboyTed]

Part of the Executive branch. The firings will stand.
Government workers should never have a union. Government Unions are antithetical to the peoples' best interests.
They used to never be allowed at all. When did this start?

Sorry but all workers can have access to collective bargaining... The old Constitution pretty much guarantees that..

Worker have contracts and thus have rights on that contract...

This is any employer/ Employee relationship... This is workers rights, GOP really hate workers having rights..

 

[CowboyTed]

Private sector unions are a backdoor power & control(PC) attempt @ getting between the employees & their employer, with the goal of controlling BOTH the employees & employer.

Public sector unions are a backdoor power & control(PC) attempt @ getting between the employees & their employer(g'ment) with the goal of controlling BOTH the employees & employer(g'ment).

You are correct Duke with your statement that "Government workers should NEVER have a union." Installing an "intermediate" source between oneself & their ELECTED government Representatives is not only foolhardy but outright dangerous as well. It is tantamount to hiring an intermediate between oneself & our Maker!!! In the end the so called unions attempt to hold government hostage & become the government themselves, "Own The Labor Own The Society/Country."

The unions have a history of creating ever more bureaucracy with bureaucracy itself coming @ quite a co$t to the private sector. Then there is the union "overreach" when it comes to the 1st amendment & their disdain for Americans 2nd amendment Liberties, & for that matter the entire U.S. Constitution.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt1-8-4-1/ALDE_00013150/#:~:text=2See%20R.-,Emps.,would%20violate%20the%20First%20Amendment).

Play it safe & avoid the corrupt unions completely!

Basically you are just talking shit...

Workers rights in the US have deteriorated as union membership has declined... This is a mantra from corporations to race to the bottom...

Under your premise Germany should have been bankrupt 50 years ago... They are not and that is really annoying to you...

 

[CowboyTed]

The deep state is everywhere. That's why it all needs burning down. And, we want it done now so democrats can't resist and run out the clock.

Really want a job in the Deep State... How do I apply?

With all this control they musty have loads working for them...

So how do I get a job with them, you seem to be the expert...

 

[Independent thinker]

I know nothing of the sort and, unlike you, am not a sheeplike follower.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5097676-elon-musk-defended-salute-criticism/

 

[CowboyTed]

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5097676-elon-musk-defended-salute-criticism/

Where's my fucking job in the Deep State?

Why are you holding out on me..

Do they offer dental? is there gym membership?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Part of the Executive branch. The firings will stand.
Government workers should never have a union. Government Unions are antithetical to the peoples' best interests.
They used to never be allowed at all. When did this start?

They serve at the pleasure of POTUS

 

[Concerned American]

I can't help but wonder why Trump appears to be in SUCH a hurry to burn everything down. So much so that he can't be bothered to do things the proper way so that he is obtains the results he wants, or in the very least, not have so many irons in the fire that it bogs down our government and prevents people from doing the work that they were hired to do.

UNLESS this is just a tactic.

When a federal employee is a member of a union, their termination must comply with the terms set forth in the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the union and the federal agency. These agreements outline just cause protections, due process rights, and grievance procedures that must be followed before an employee can be fired.​

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Key Protections Under Federal Union CBAs:​

1. Just Cause Standard:
   • Most CBAs prohibit arbitrary or politically motivated firings.
   • The agency must provide documented reasons for termination, often including a progressive discipline process before outright dismissal.
2. Due Process Rights (5 U.S.C. § 7513 & § 7121):
   • Federal employees cannot be fired without due process.
   • They are entitled to notice, a chance to respond, and an appeal process through the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) or their union’s grievance procedure.
3. Union Representation in Disciplinary Actions:
   • Employees have a right to union representation (Weingarten Rights) during disciplinary meetings.
   • The union can challenge unfair terminations through arbitration or legal action.
4. Grievance and Appeal Rights:
   • Federal employees covered by a CBA can challenge their termination through a grievance process instead of (or in addition to) an MSPB appeal.
   • Many unions arbitrate wrongful termination cases, and arbitrators have the power to reinstate employees and award back pay.

How This Applies to Trump's Firings:​

If Trump’s administration is firing federal employees who are union members, those dismissals must comply with their CBA protections. If the firings are politically motivated or related to retaliation against DEI programs, unions can file lawsuits and grievances to block the terminations.​

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Current Union Legal Actions Against Firings:​

• The National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU) has already filed a lawsuit challenging the reclassification and firing of federal workers, arguing it violates the Civil Service Reform Act and their collective bargaining rights. (theguardian.com)
• The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) is also preparing legal challenges against mass firings. (marketwatch.com)

Have you ever heard of "Reduction of Work Force?"

 

[Independent thinker]

Really want a job in the Deep State... How do I apply?

With all this control they musty have loads working for them...

So how do I get a job with them, you seem to be the expert...

I don't think you understand. There is a hiring freeze in the deep state and jobs are being eliminated.

 

[Independent thinker]

Where's my fucking job in the Deep State?

Why are you holding out on me..

Do they offer dental? is there gym membership?

I believe most prisons have work out areas and probably also offer dental care.

 

[BackAgain]

No they won't. Not if Trump didn't meet requirements.

Yes. They will. Laws which contravene the Constitution aren’t actual laws.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No they will not. The union contract will stand, and just like last time Trump fired all of these people without cause, the courts will stand by the workers and their rights. See McCabe, Strzoc, Page, and others.

I love how your ignorance catches the sun as it drips off the words of your post.
It's art. Really.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Never had them for over 200 years for good reason. That's taxpayer money they're collectively bargaining for.

Not true. Compensation for government workers is set by Congress and is not part of collective bargaining. There is no negotiation for most government jobs.

 

[justoffal]

No they won't. Not if Trump didn't meet requirements.

It's a losing battle. It will have to go through the NLRB which is also subject to the executive branch. None of these things were done without planning.

It's probably the reason why he just fired the director of the NLRB.

This is an avalanche of actions that will be very difficult to reverse simply because of their Volume.

This is very well orchestrated and is probably not being orchestrated by Trump himself.

 

[Edgetho]

Part of the Executive branch. The firings will stand.
Government workers should never have a union. Government Unions are antithetical to the peoples' best interests.
They used to never be allowed at all. When did this start?

JFK started/allowed Public Sector Unions. He issued an Executive Order to allow them.

He wasn't all that strong in the polls at the time and he felt that allowing Public Sector employees to join a Union would help him in the upcoming election.

Lee Harvey had other ideas. JFK was the last Democrat. But he wasn't as good a POTUS as modern dimocrap scum make him out to be. In fact, he was decidedly below average. But any Democrat following Ike would have had a tough time. But he meant well and he loved his Country. He was a good man for the job and he might have grown into it but his time in Office was plagued with miscues and controversy. Bay of Pigs and more.

Even FDR had the sense to not allow goobermint Unions. JFK? Well....... It is what it is.

 

[Edgetho]

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For goodness sakes ... If you read the articles associated with the funding blocks ...
Even the lawyers from Democracy Forward representing the LGBTQ Advocacy Group and others that brought the lawsuit ...
Indicated there is little chance the stay will accomplish anything in regard to reversing the policies coming that will end the funding.

People have to understand that for decades Republicans and Democrats in the Establishment ...
Have just been moving the deck chairs around as Compromise has been replaced with Compliance.
They have to understand that is reason why, at least the majority Americans that showed up to vote in the last election ...
Voted for the person who the nitwits hate the most.

They are simply sick of the shit ... Constant ineffective policies ... Or policies that are more destructive than beneficial.
They are not waiting for the opposition to agree ... They have listened to decades of crap ...
And Democrats have failed to provide anything better.

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Dewd, fix your alignment.

 

[justoffal]

Dewd, fix your alignment.

It's on center instead of right indent lol

 

[CowboyTed]

They serve at the pleasure of POTUS

That is not Federal Workers...

That is political appointees...

This is your problem you think the President is God... He is not, he has limits and by day 9 you want to be treated like a king...

Trump can't fire people like this, they have rights..