SOmeone Tell the Air Force this is same as doing nothing

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Glad I'm retired...keep them checks comin...lol!!!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Glad I'm retired...keep them checks comin...lol!!!

I am thankful that they are fully employed. I give thanks the first of every month myself.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Actually, the topic is about relocation of Bases Stateside due to a War. And that is only going happen if the Russians start putting in the target codes on the Land Based ICBMs. Same goes for us. Conventional war will NOT trigger the relocation. There is no need since we can't be invaded and neither can China nor Russia.

No its about relocation of Pacific bases to other places in Theater....go back and fucking read

In order to put Wake or others out of action, you really can't use conventional warheads for that. Kt versus MT. In fact, the warheads on the conventional Ballistic Missiles aren't enough to do any more than piss the other side off no matter how many you use. The use of an alternative air field is as old as Air Power. You honestly believe that the US hitting the Luftwaffen Air Fields stopped the launching of German Fighters and Bombers? It didn't. Even the bombing of the major factories didn't stop production. Germany relocated it all and adapted. What stopped Air Power was the starvation of Fuel. And even then, Germany used alternative methods to make that fuel but it was costly and less efficient. Even the Brits moved their bases further away from their coast because those bases were being hit.

If you think this is something new, it's not. And the planning is sound.

Now go read the other article I posted on Chinese planning......you really are worthless and unimaginative....good thing you are out

The relocation plans have always existed even in WWI. And I am not real worried about the Chinese doing any preemptive strikes on US Bases. The payback would be hell with just the resources that are in place right now. Their industries are on the coast. Their shipping is on the coast. And they can't think that a retaliatory strike wouldn't be done. It would cripple China for a few decades. And, again, that is from the US Resources that are currently in that theater. China would lose the war without a single GI stepping foot on Chinese Soil.

You see... There is a little problem - Russia. If we use small forces - the Russians will significally increase their influence in China and China became their colony (so, Russia became much stronger and the USA - much weaker). If we use all our nukes - Russia will attack us without any risk of retaliation.
We really need to distract Russia before fighting China.

Attacking China using Nukes would be silly. We have enough conventional resources in place right now to cripple China and China knows it. So the Nukes are left on the bargaining table.

What exactly are those resources? Your imagination does not count!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Actually, the topic is about relocation of Bases Stateside due to a War. And that is only going happen if the Russians start putting in the target codes on the Land Based ICBMs. Same goes for us. Conventional war will NOT trigger the relocation. There is no need since we can't be invaded and neither can China nor Russia.

No its about relocation of Pacific bases to other places in Theater....go back and fucking read

In order to put Wake or others out of action, you really can't use conventional warheads for that. Kt versus MT. In fact, the warheads on the conventional Ballistic Missiles aren't enough to do any more than piss the other side off no matter how many you use. The use of an alternative air field is as old as Air Power. You honestly believe that the US hitting the Luftwaffen Air Fields stopped the launching of German Fighters and Bombers? It didn't. Even the bombing of the major factories didn't stop production. Germany relocated it all and adapted. What stopped Air Power was the starvation of Fuel. And even then, Germany used alternative methods to make that fuel but it was costly and less efficient. Even the Brits moved their bases further away from their coast because those bases were being hit.

If you think this is something new, it's not. And the planning is sound.

Now go read the other article I posted on Chinese planning......you really are worthless and unimaginative....good thing you are out

The relocation plans have always existed even in WWI. And I am not real worried about the Chinese doing any preemptive strikes on US Bases. The payback would be hell with just the resources that are in place right now. Their industries are on the coast. Their shipping is on the coast. And they can't think that a retaliatory strike wouldn't be done. It would cripple China for a few decades. And, again, that is from the US Resources that are currently in that theater. China would lose the war without a single GI stepping foot on Chinese Soil.

You see... There is a little problem - Russia. If we use small forces - the Russians will significally increase their influence in China and China became their colony (so, Russia became much stronger and the USA - much weaker). If we use all our nukes - Russia will attack us without any risk of retaliation.
We really need to distract Russia before fighting China.

Attacking China using Nukes would be silly. We have enough conventional resources in place right now to cripple China and China knows it. So the Nukes are left on the bargaining table.

What exactly are those resources? Your imagination does not count!

20+ years experience in the Service that will be doing the heavy lifting. Also common sense knowing the population and manufacturing centers for China. Of course, the Navy will be in on the act as well but they are going to be playing line backers. Do a little research on your own for a change. Find out where their weak spots are and you will find out just how vulnerable they really are. If you can't figure out how it can be done then I am glad that you aren't in on the planning stage in any capacity. But I'll give you a hint, the Tankers are going to be real busy just outside of the reach of the Chinese.

 

[Silver Cat]

Actually, the topic is about relocation of Bases Stateside due to a War. And that is only going happen if the Russians start putting in the target codes on the Land Based ICBMs. Same goes for us. Conventional war will NOT trigger the relocation. There is no need since we can't be invaded and neither can China nor Russia.

No its about relocation of Pacific bases to other places in Theater....go back and fucking read

In order to put Wake or others out of action, you really can't use conventional warheads for that. Kt versus MT. In fact, the warheads on the conventional Ballistic Missiles aren't enough to do any more than piss the other side off no matter how many you use. The use of an alternative air field is as old as Air Power. You honestly believe that the US hitting the Luftwaffen Air Fields stopped the launching of German Fighters and Bombers? It didn't. Even the bombing of the major factories didn't stop production. Germany relocated it all and adapted. What stopped Air Power was the starvation of Fuel. And even then, Germany used alternative methods to make that fuel but it was costly and less efficient. Even the Brits moved their bases further away from their coast because those bases were being hit.

If you think this is something new, it's not. And the planning is sound.

Now go read the other article I posted on Chinese planning......you really are worthless and unimaginative....good thing you are out

The relocation plans have always existed even in WWI. And I am not real worried about the Chinese doing any preemptive strikes on US Bases. The payback would be hell with just the resources that are in place right now. Their industries are on the coast. Their shipping is on the coast. And they can't think that a retaliatory strike wouldn't be done. It would cripple China for a few decades. And, again, that is from the US Resources that are currently in that theater. China would lose the war without a single GI stepping foot on Chinese Soil.

You see... There is a little problem - Russia. If we use small forces - the Russians will significally increase their influence in China and China became their colony (so, Russia became much stronger and the USA - much weaker). If we use all our nukes - Russia will attack us without any risk of retaliation.
We really need to distract Russia before fighting China.

Attacking China using Nukes would be silly. We have enough conventional resources in place right now to cripple China and China knows it. So the Nukes are left on the bargaining table.

What exactly are those resources? Your imagination does not count!

20+ years experience in the Service that will be doing the heavy lifting. Also common sense knowing the population and manufacturing centers for China. Of course, the Navy will be in on the act as well but they are going to be playing line backers. Do a little research on your own for a change. Find out where their weak spots are and you will find out just how vulnerable they really are. If you can't figure out how it can be done then I am glad that you aren't in on the planning stage in any capacity. But I'll give you a hint, the Tankers are going to be real busy just outside of the reach of the Chinese.

A conventional war against China means nuclear war against Russia. So, we need to distract Russia first.

 

[Silver Cat]

And yes, who really believes that it is possible to defeat China without a single tank company?

WSJ News Exclusive | Marines Plan to Retool to Meet China Threat

The most sweeping transformation in decades will shift the focus from fighting insurgents in the Middle East to preparing for conflict in western Pacific. “If we did nothing, we would be passed,” said Marine Corps Commandant David Berger.

www.wsj.com

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Actually, the topic is about relocation of Bases Stateside due to a War. And that is only going happen if the Russians start putting in the target codes on the Land Based ICBMs. Same goes for us. Conventional war will NOT trigger the relocation. There is no need since we can't be invaded and neither can China nor Russia.

No its about relocation of Pacific bases to other places in Theater....go back and fucking read

In order to put Wake or others out of action, you really can't use conventional warheads for that. Kt versus MT. In fact, the warheads on the conventional Ballistic Missiles aren't enough to do any more than piss the other side off no matter how many you use. The use of an alternative air field is as old as Air Power. You honestly believe that the US hitting the Luftwaffen Air Fields stopped the launching of German Fighters and Bombers? It didn't. Even the bombing of the major factories didn't stop production. Germany relocated it all and adapted. What stopped Air Power was the starvation of Fuel. And even then, Germany used alternative methods to make that fuel but it was costly and less efficient. Even the Brits moved their bases further away from their coast because those bases were being hit.

If you think this is something new, it's not. And the planning is sound.

Now go read the other article I posted on Chinese planning......you really are worthless and unimaginative....good thing you are out

The relocation plans have always existed even in WWI. And I am not real worried about the Chinese doing any preemptive strikes on US Bases. The payback would be hell with just the resources that are in place right now. Their industries are on the coast. Their shipping is on the coast. And they can't think that a retaliatory strike wouldn't be done. It would cripple China for a few decades. And, again, that is from the US Resources that are currently in that theater. China would lose the war without a single GI stepping foot on Chinese Soil.

You see... There is a little problem - Russia. If we use small forces - the Russians will significally increase their influence in China and China became their colony (so, Russia became much stronger and the USA - much weaker). If we use all our nukes - Russia will attack us without any risk of retaliation.
We really need to distract Russia before fighting China.

Attacking China using Nukes would be silly. We have enough conventional resources in place right now to cripple China and China knows it. So the Nukes are left on the bargaining table.

What exactly are those resources? Your imagination does not count!

20+ years experience in the Service that will be doing the heavy lifting. Also common sense knowing the population and manufacturing centers for China. Of course, the Navy will be in on the act as well but they are going to be playing line backers. Do a little research on your own for a change. Find out where their weak spots are and you will find out just how vulnerable they really are. If you can't figure out how it can be done then I am glad that you aren't in on the planning stage in any capacity. But I'll give you a hint, the Tankers are going to be real busy just outside of the reach of the Chinese.

You mean the tankers that we currently don't have?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And yes, who really believes that it is possible to defeat China without a single tank company?
View attachment 319388

WSJ News Exclusive | Marines Plan to Retool to Meet China Threat

The most sweeping transformation in decades will shift the focus from fighting insurgents in the Middle East to preparing for conflict in western Pacific. “If we did nothing, we would be passed,” said Marine Corps Commandant David Berger.

www.wsj.com

The Marines have this nice little back up plan, called the US Army which has all of those things they will be lacking.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Actually, the topic is about relocation of Bases Stateside due to a War. And that is only going happen if the Russians start putting in the target codes on the Land Based ICBMs. Same goes for us. Conventional war will NOT trigger the relocation. There is no need since we can't be invaded and neither can China nor Russia.

No its about relocation of Pacific bases to other places in Theater....go back and fucking read

In order to put Wake or others out of action, you really can't use conventional warheads for that. Kt versus MT. In fact, the warheads on the conventional Ballistic Missiles aren't enough to do any more than piss the other side off no matter how many you use. The use of an alternative air field is as old as Air Power. You honestly believe that the US hitting the Luftwaffen Air Fields stopped the launching of German Fighters and Bombers? It didn't. Even the bombing of the major factories didn't stop production. Germany relocated it all and adapted. What stopped Air Power was the starvation of Fuel. And even then, Germany used alternative methods to make that fuel but it was costly and less efficient. Even the Brits moved their bases further away from their coast because those bases were being hit.

If you think this is something new, it's not. And the planning is sound.

Now go read the other article I posted on Chinese planning......you really are worthless and unimaginative....good thing you are out

The relocation plans have always existed even in WWI. And I am not real worried about the Chinese doing any preemptive strikes on US Bases. The payback would be hell with just the resources that are in place right now. Their industries are on the coast. Their shipping is on the coast. And they can't think that a retaliatory strike wouldn't be done. It would cripple China for a few decades. And, again, that is from the US Resources that are currently in that theater. China would lose the war without a single GI stepping foot on Chinese Soil.

You see... There is a little problem - Russia. If we use small forces - the Russians will significally increase their influence in China and China became their colony (so, Russia became much stronger and the USA - much weaker). If we use all our nukes - Russia will attack us without any risk of retaliation.
We really need to distract Russia before fighting China.

Attacking China using Nukes would be silly. We have enough conventional resources in place right now to cripple China and China knows it. So the Nukes are left on the bargaining table.

What exactly are those resources? Your imagination does not count!

20+ years experience in the Service that will be doing the heavy lifting. Also common sense knowing the population and manufacturing centers for China. Of course, the Navy will be in on the act as well but they are going to be playing line backers. Do a little research on your own for a change. Find out where their weak spots are and you will find out just how vulnerable they really are. If you can't figure out how it can be done then I am glad that you aren't in on the planning stage in any capacity. But I'll give you a hint, the Tankers are going to be real busy just outside of the reach of the Chinese.

You mean the tankers that we currently don't have?

We only have a finite number, yes. But when the Strategic Tankers are moved from Strategic to Tactical things change fast on support of such an attack. You are thinking inside a very small box.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And yes, who really believes that it is possible to defeat China without a single tank company?
View attachment 319388

WSJ News Exclusive | Marines Plan to Retool to Meet China Threat

The most sweeping transformation in decades will shift the focus from fighting insurgents in the Middle East to preparing for conflict in western Pacific. “If we did nothing, we would be passed,” said Marine Corps Commandant David Berger.

www.wsj.com

And all totally worthless in the event of a large scale dustup with China. There are only three countries that it's impossible to invade and China is one of them. Russia and the US being the other two. Whatever ground troops you drop into those countries you will lose. So you look at ways to cripple rather than outright defeat China. And then let Darwin do the heavy lifting.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Actually, the topic is about relocation of Bases Stateside due to a War. And that is only going happen if the Russians start putting in the target codes on the Land Based ICBMs. Same goes for us. Conventional war will NOT trigger the relocation. There is no need since we can't be invaded and neither can China nor Russia.

No its about relocation of Pacific bases to other places in Theater....go back and fucking read

In order to put Wake or others out of action, you really can't use conventional warheads for that. Kt versus MT. In fact, the warheads on the conventional Ballistic Missiles aren't enough to do any more than piss the other side off no matter how many you use. The use of an alternative air field is as old as Air Power. You honestly believe that the US hitting the Luftwaffen Air Fields stopped the launching of German Fighters and Bombers? It didn't. Even the bombing of the major factories didn't stop production. Germany relocated it all and adapted. What stopped Air Power was the starvation of Fuel. And even then, Germany used alternative methods to make that fuel but it was costly and less efficient. Even the Brits moved their bases further away from their coast because those bases were being hit.

If you think this is something new, it's not. And the planning is sound.

Now go read the other article I posted on Chinese planning......you really are worthless and unimaginative....good thing you are out

The relocation plans have always existed even in WWI. And I am not real worried about the Chinese doing any preemptive strikes on US Bases. The payback would be hell with just the resources that are in place right now. Their industries are on the coast. Their shipping is on the coast. And they can't think that a retaliatory strike wouldn't be done. It would cripple China for a few decades. And, again, that is from the US Resources that are currently in that theater. China would lose the war without a single GI stepping foot on Chinese Soil.

You see... There is a little problem - Russia. If we use small forces - the Russians will significally increase their influence in China and China became their colony (so, Russia became much stronger and the USA - much weaker). If we use all our nukes - Russia will attack us without any risk of retaliation.
We really need to distract Russia before fighting China.

Attacking China using Nukes would be silly. We have enough conventional resources in place right now to cripple China and China knows it. So the Nukes are left on the bargaining table.

What exactly are those resources? Your imagination does not count!

20+ years experience in the Service that will be doing the heavy lifting. Also common sense knowing the population and manufacturing centers for China. Of course, the Navy will be in on the act as well but they are going to be playing line backers. Do a little research on your own for a change. Find out where their weak spots are and you will find out just how vulnerable they really are. If you can't figure out how it can be done then I am glad that you aren't in on the planning stage in any capacity. But I'll give you a hint, the Tankers are going to be real busy just outside of the reach of the Chinese.

You mean the tankers that we currently don't have?

We only have a finite number, yes. But when the Strategic Tankers are moved from Strategic to Tactical things change fast on support of such an attack. You are thinking inside a very small box.

You seem to think the Chinese won't notice this movement? The way the Chair Force operates, most of these pilots grandma probably still lives in Beijing!

Your thinking wouldn't fill a thimble comes in! You have delusions of grandeur when it comes to your war planning ability because you have never done it!

The biggest thing you probably ever commanded was a toilet brush!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Actually, the topic is about relocation of Bases Stateside due to a War. And that is only going happen if the Russians start putting in the target codes on the Land Based ICBMs. Same goes for us. Conventional war will NOT trigger the relocation. There is no need since we can't be invaded and neither can China nor Russia.

No its about relocation of Pacific bases to other places in Theater....go back and fucking read

In order to put Wake or others out of action, you really can't use conventional warheads for that. Kt versus MT. In fact, the warheads on the conventional Ballistic Missiles aren't enough to do any more than piss the other side off no matter how many you use. The use of an alternative air field is as old as Air Power. You honestly believe that the US hitting the Luftwaffen Air Fields stopped the launching of German Fighters and Bombers? It didn't. Even the bombing of the major factories didn't stop production. Germany relocated it all and adapted. What stopped Air Power was the starvation of Fuel. And even then, Germany used alternative methods to make that fuel but it was costly and less efficient. Even the Brits moved their bases further away from their coast because those bases were being hit.

If you think this is something new, it's not. And the planning is sound.

Now go read the other article I posted on Chinese planning......you really are worthless and unimaginative....good thing you are out

The relocation plans have always existed even in WWI. And I am not real worried about the Chinese doing any preemptive strikes on US Bases. The payback would be hell with just the resources that are in place right now. Their industries are on the coast. Their shipping is on the coast. And they can't think that a retaliatory strike wouldn't be done. It would cripple China for a few decades. And, again, that is from the US Resources that are currently in that theater. China would lose the war without a single GI stepping foot on Chinese Soil.

You see... There is a little problem - Russia. If we use small forces - the Russians will significally increase their influence in China and China became their colony (so, Russia became much stronger and the USA - much weaker). If we use all our nukes - Russia will attack us without any risk of retaliation.
We really need to distract Russia before fighting China.

Attacking China using Nukes would be silly. We have enough conventional resources in place right now to cripple China and China knows it. So the Nukes are left on the bargaining table.

What exactly are those resources? Your imagination does not count!

20+ years experience in the Service that will be doing the heavy lifting. Also common sense knowing the population and manufacturing centers for China. Of course, the Navy will be in on the act as well but they are going to be playing line backers. Do a little research on your own for a change. Find out where their weak spots are and you will find out just how vulnerable they really are. If you can't figure out how it can be done then I am glad that you aren't in on the planning stage in any capacity. But I'll give you a hint, the Tankers are going to be real busy just outside of the reach of the Chinese.

A conventional war against China means nuclear war against Russia. So, we need to distract Russia first.

Actually, Russia will benefit financially from any and all harm done to China. There are stretches of arid land that Russia would really like to have that has been disputed for a couple of hundred years with China that can not be easily taken militarily. Oh, Russia would rattle that saber loudly but take advantage of the lack of Chinese Troops guarding their southern Frontier. Arid land is supreme to Russia since they are so far north that they don't have the luxury that China and the US has for good farm land. It's to Russias benefit if China has to relocate much of it's northern border defenses to the east to protect the coastal regions. There is a lot more involved than one would imagine.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Actually, the topic is about relocation of Bases Stateside due to a War. And that is only going happen if the Russians start putting in the target codes on the Land Based ICBMs. Same goes for us. Conventional war will NOT trigger the relocation. There is no need since we can't be invaded and neither can China nor Russia.

No its about relocation of Pacific bases to other places in Theater....go back and fucking read

In order to put Wake or others out of action, you really can't use conventional warheads for that. Kt versus MT. In fact, the warheads on the conventional Ballistic Missiles aren't enough to do any more than piss the other side off no matter how many you use. The use of an alternative air field is as old as Air Power. You honestly believe that the US hitting the Luftwaffen Air Fields stopped the launching of German Fighters and Bombers? It didn't. Even the bombing of the major factories didn't stop production. Germany relocated it all and adapted. What stopped Air Power was the starvation of Fuel. And even then, Germany used alternative methods to make that fuel but it was costly and less efficient. Even the Brits moved their bases further away from their coast because those bases were being hit.

If you think this is something new, it's not. And the planning is sound.

Now go read the other article I posted on Chinese planning......you really are worthless and unimaginative....good thing you are out

The relocation plans have always existed even in WWI. And I am not real worried about the Chinese doing any preemptive strikes on US Bases. The payback would be hell with just the resources that are in place right now. Their industries are on the coast. Their shipping is on the coast. And they can't think that a retaliatory strike wouldn't be done. It would cripple China for a few decades. And, again, that is from the US Resources that are currently in that theater. China would lose the war without a single GI stepping foot on Chinese Soil.

You see... There is a little problem - Russia. If we use small forces - the Russians will significally increase their influence in China and China became their colony (so, Russia became much stronger and the USA - much weaker). If we use all our nukes - Russia will attack us without any risk of retaliation.
We really need to distract Russia before fighting China.

Attacking China using Nukes would be silly. We have enough conventional resources in place right now to cripple China and China knows it. So the Nukes are left on the bargaining table.

What exactly are those resources? Your imagination does not count!

20+ years experience in the Service that will be doing the heavy lifting. Also common sense knowing the population and manufacturing centers for China. Of course, the Navy will be in on the act as well but they are going to be playing line backers. Do a little research on your own for a change. Find out where their weak spots are and you will find out just how vulnerable they really are. If you can't figure out how it can be done then I am glad that you aren't in on the planning stage in any capacity. But I'll give you a hint, the Tankers are going to be real busy just outside of the reach of the Chinese.

You mean the tankers that we currently don't have?

We only have a finite number, yes. But when the Strategic Tankers are moved from Strategic to Tactical things change fast on support of such an attack. You are thinking inside a very small box.

You seem to think the Chinese won't notice this movement? The way the Chair Force operates, most of these pilots grandma probably still lives in Beijing!

Your thinking wouldn't fill a thimble comes in! You have delusions of grandeur when it comes to your war planning ability because you have never done it!

The biggest thing you probably ever commanded was a toilet brush!

Most of the tactical resources are already in place. What's no in place is the Tanker force. The Tanker Force doesn't have to be in place. A Tanker can be flying one mission headed for over the Atlantic and be retasked inflight to refuel in the Pacific without ever setting down. Our tankers were progged to refuel fighters on their way to places like the Middle East, Europe, Pacific and were retasked with a simple paper order and met up with the C-141s for Grenada instead. Same goes for the Pacific based Tankers. A Tanker has no care of what it refuels. And all the Tankers also carry Navy type Drogues as well as USAF booms. The Navy won't have the tanker force it needs to get in on the "Fun" but don't be shocked when the Marines KC-130s and AF KC-135s and KC-130s show up to get those linebackers in place. The Heavy Tankers will just have to make sure that they reserve enough fuel for the little buddies after refueling the long range resources.

You are still thinking inside such a small box.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Actually, the topic is about relocation of Bases Stateside due to a War. And that is only going happen if the Russians start putting in the target codes on the Land Based ICBMs. Same goes for us. Conventional war will NOT trigger the relocation. There is no need since we can't be invaded and neither can China nor Russia.

No its about relocation of Pacific bases to other places in Theater....go back and fucking read

In order to put Wake or others out of action, you really can't use conventional warheads for that. Kt versus MT. In fact, the warheads on the conventional Ballistic Missiles aren't enough to do any more than piss the other side off no matter how many you use. The use of an alternative air field is as old as Air Power. You honestly believe that the US hitting the Luftwaffen Air Fields stopped the launching of German Fighters and Bombers? It didn't. Even the bombing of the major factories didn't stop production. Germany relocated it all and adapted. What stopped Air Power was the starvation of Fuel. And even then, Germany used alternative methods to make that fuel but it was costly and less efficient. Even the Brits moved their bases further away from their coast because those bases were being hit.

If you think this is something new, it's not. And the planning is sound.

Now go read the other article I posted on Chinese planning......you really are worthless and unimaginative....good thing you are out

The relocation plans have always existed even in WWI. And I am not real worried about the Chinese doing any preemptive strikes on US Bases. The payback would be hell with just the resources that are in place right now. Their industries are on the coast. Their shipping is on the coast. And they can't think that a retaliatory strike wouldn't be done. It would cripple China for a few decades. And, again, that is from the US Resources that are currently in that theater. China would lose the war without a single GI stepping foot on Chinese Soil.

You see... There is a little problem - Russia. If we use small forces - the Russians will significally increase their influence in China and China became their colony (so, Russia became much stronger and the USA - much weaker). If we use all our nukes - Russia will attack us without any risk of retaliation.
We really need to distract Russia before fighting China.

Attacking China using Nukes would be silly. We have enough conventional resources in place right now to cripple China and China knows it. So the Nukes are left on the bargaining table.

What exactly are those resources? Your imagination does not count!

20+ years experience in the Service that will be doing the heavy lifting. Also common sense knowing the population and manufacturing centers for China. Of course, the Navy will be in on the act as well but they are going to be playing line backers. Do a little research on your own for a change. Find out where their weak spots are and you will find out just how vulnerable they really are. If you can't figure out how it can be done then I am glad that you aren't in on the planning stage in any capacity. But I'll give you a hint, the Tankers are going to be real busy just outside of the reach of the Chinese.

You mean the tankers that we currently don't have?

We only have a finite number, yes. But when the Strategic Tankers are moved from Strategic to Tactical things change fast on support of such an attack. You are thinking inside a very small box.

You seem to think the Chinese won't notice this movement? The way the Chair Force operates, most of these pilots grandma probably still lives in Beijing!

Your thinking wouldn't fill a thimble comes in! You have delusions of grandeur when it comes to your war planning ability because you have never done it!

The biggest thing you probably ever commanded was a toilet brush!

Most of the tactical resources are already in place. What's no in place is the Tanker force. The Tanker Force doesn't have to be in place. A Tanker can be flying one mission headed for over the Atlantic and be retasked inflight to refuel in the Pacific without ever setting down. Our tankers were progged to refuel fighters on their way to places like the Middle East, Europe, Pacific and were retasked with a simple paper order and met up with the C-141s for Grenada instead. Same goes for the Pacific based Tankers. A Tanker has no care of what it refuels. And all the Tankers also carry Navy type Drogues as well as USAF booms. The Navy won't have the tanker force it needs to get in on the "Fun" but don't be shocked when the Marines KC-130s and AF KC-135s and KC-130s show up to get those linebackers in place. The Heavy Tankers will just have to make sure that they reserve enough fuel for the little buddies after refueling the long range resources.

You are still thinking inside such a small box.

Your C-141s left the Chair Force about the same time Obama was starting to look at running for President. Yes, it was THAT long ago!

How about you get with the 21st century?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Actually, the topic is about relocation of Bases Stateside due to a War. And that is only going happen if the Russians start putting in the target codes on the Land Based ICBMs. Same goes for us. Conventional war will NOT trigger the relocation. There is no need since we can't be invaded and neither can China nor Russia.

No its about relocation of Pacific bases to other places in Theater....go back and fucking read

In order to put Wake or others out of action, you really can't use conventional warheads for that. Kt versus MT. In fact, the warheads on the conventional Ballistic Missiles aren't enough to do any more than piss the other side off no matter how many you use. The use of an alternative air field is as old as Air Power. You honestly believe that the US hitting the Luftwaffen Air Fields stopped the launching of German Fighters and Bombers? It didn't. Even the bombing of the major factories didn't stop production. Germany relocated it all and adapted. What stopped Air Power was the starvation of Fuel. And even then, Germany used alternative methods to make that fuel but it was costly and less efficient. Even the Brits moved their bases further away from their coast because those bases were being hit.

If you think this is something new, it's not. And the planning is sound.

Now go read the other article I posted on Chinese planning......you really are worthless and unimaginative....good thing you are out

The relocation plans have always existed even in WWI. And I am not real worried about the Chinese doing any preemptive strikes on US Bases. The payback would be hell with just the resources that are in place right now. Their industries are on the coast. Their shipping is on the coast. And they can't think that a retaliatory strike wouldn't be done. It would cripple China for a few decades. And, again, that is from the US Resources that are currently in that theater. China would lose the war without a single GI stepping foot on Chinese Soil.

You see... There is a little problem - Russia. If we use small forces - the Russians will significally increase their influence in China and China became their colony (so, Russia became much stronger and the USA - much weaker). If we use all our nukes - Russia will attack us without any risk of retaliation.
We really need to distract Russia before fighting China.

Attacking China using Nukes would be silly. We have enough conventional resources in place right now to cripple China and China knows it. So the Nukes are left on the bargaining table.

What exactly are those resources? Your imagination does not count!

20+ years experience in the Service that will be doing the heavy lifting. Also common sense knowing the population and manufacturing centers for China. Of course, the Navy will be in on the act as well but they are going to be playing line backers. Do a little research on your own for a change. Find out where their weak spots are and you will find out just how vulnerable they really are. If you can't figure out how it can be done then I am glad that you aren't in on the planning stage in any capacity. But I'll give you a hint, the Tankers are going to be real busy just outside of the reach of the Chinese.

You mean the tankers that we currently don't have?

We only have a finite number, yes. But when the Strategic Tankers are moved from Strategic to Tactical things change fast on support of such an attack. You are thinking inside a very small box.

You seem to think the Chinese won't notice this movement? The way the Chair Force operates, most of these pilots grandma probably still lives in Beijing!

Your thinking wouldn't fill a thimble comes in! You have delusions of grandeur when it comes to your war planning ability because you have never done it!

The biggest thing you probably ever commanded was a toilet brush!

Most of the tactical resources are already in place. What's no in place is the Tanker force. The Tanker Force doesn't have to be in place. A Tanker can be flying one mission headed for over the Atlantic and be retasked inflight to refuel in the Pacific without ever setting down. Our tankers were progged to refuel fighters on their way to places like the Middle East, Europe, Pacific and were retasked with a simple paper order and met up with the C-141s for Grenada instead. Same goes for the Pacific based Tankers. A Tanker has no care of what it refuels. And all the Tankers also carry Navy type Drogues as well as USAF booms. The Navy won't have the tanker force it needs to get in on the "Fun" but don't be shocked when the Marines KC-130s and AF KC-135s and KC-130s show up to get those linebackers in place. The Heavy Tankers will just have to make sure that they reserve enough fuel for the little buddies after refueling the long range resources.

You are still thinking inside such a small box.

Your C-141s left the Chair Force about the same time Obama was starting to look at running for President. Yes, it was THAT long ago!

How about you get with the 21st century?

What's the matter, cupcake, you think the Tanker Force and it's uses has changed since then? That same Tanker Force has always enabled a Buff to launch out of North Dakota and hit anywhere on the Globe without landing and return home without touching down in transit. It's always enabled Fighters to cross the Pacific without even touching down in Wake or other places. What would take days and weeks can be done in a matter of hours. And this includes support of USAF, Marine, Navy and Army resources. Tankers may be stationed at one place but are doing TDYs at other places to get them closer to the support areas.

And if you think a Tanker is slow, they aren't. With a full fuel load of 150tons they can cruise at 500kts for many hours. Just how far can a Tanker get in 14 hours time and still have enough fuel to refuel a whole bunch of Fighters both on the way in and on the way out of the combat zone. China already knows that in order to cripple the attacking forces, they are going to have to cripple the Tanker Force and, at this time, that just can't be done.

As long as the tool doesn't change, the situation doesn't change, the uses won't change either. In the event of having to attack the coastal regions of China, the Fighters are going to be well outside their own range but the Tankers "Extend" those ranges. In case you haven't heard, it's called "Force Multiplier".

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Actually, the topic is about relocation of Bases Stateside due to a War. And that is only going happen if the Russians start putting in the target codes on the Land Based ICBMs. Same goes for us. Conventional war will NOT trigger the relocation. There is no need since we can't be invaded and neither can China nor Russia.

No its about relocation of Pacific bases to other places in Theater....go back and fucking read

In order to put Wake or others out of action, you really can't use conventional warheads for that. Kt versus MT. In fact, the warheads on the conventional Ballistic Missiles aren't enough to do any more than piss the other side off no matter how many you use. The use of an alternative air field is as old as Air Power. You honestly believe that the US hitting the Luftwaffen Air Fields stopped the launching of German Fighters and Bombers? It didn't. Even the bombing of the major factories didn't stop production. Germany relocated it all and adapted. What stopped Air Power was the starvation of Fuel. And even then, Germany used alternative methods to make that fuel but it was costly and less efficient. Even the Brits moved their bases further away from their coast because those bases were being hit.

If you think this is something new, it's not. And the planning is sound.

Now go read the other article I posted on Chinese planning......you really are worthless and unimaginative....good thing you are out

The relocation plans have always existed even in WWI. And I am not real worried about the Chinese doing any preemptive strikes on US Bases. The payback would be hell with just the resources that are in place right now. Their industries are on the coast. Their shipping is on the coast. And they can't think that a retaliatory strike wouldn't be done. It would cripple China for a few decades. And, again, that is from the US Resources that are currently in that theater. China would lose the war without a single GI stepping foot on Chinese Soil.

You see... There is a little problem - Russia. If we use small forces - the Russians will significally increase their influence in China and China became their colony (so, Russia became much stronger and the USA - much weaker). If we use all our nukes - Russia will attack us without any risk of retaliation.
We really need to distract Russia before fighting China.

Attacking China using Nukes would be silly. We have enough conventional resources in place right now to cripple China and China knows it. So the Nukes are left on the bargaining table.

What exactly are those resources? Your imagination does not count!

20+ years experience in the Service that will be doing the heavy lifting. Also common sense knowing the population and manufacturing centers for China. Of course, the Navy will be in on the act as well but they are going to be playing line backers. Do a little research on your own for a change. Find out where their weak spots are and you will find out just how vulnerable they really are. If you can't figure out how it can be done then I am glad that you aren't in on the planning stage in any capacity. But I'll give you a hint, the Tankers are going to be real busy just outside of the reach of the Chinese.

You mean the tankers that we currently don't have?

We only have a finite number, yes. But when the Strategic Tankers are moved from Strategic to Tactical things change fast on support of such an attack. You are thinking inside a very small box.

You seem to think the Chinese won't notice this movement? The way the Chair Force operates, most of these pilots grandma probably still lives in Beijing!

Your thinking wouldn't fill a thimble comes in! You have delusions of grandeur when it comes to your war planning ability because you have never done it!

The biggest thing you probably ever commanded was a toilet brush!

Most of the tactical resources are already in place. What's no in place is the Tanker force. The Tanker Force doesn't have to be in place. A Tanker can be flying one mission headed for over the Atlantic and be retasked inflight to refuel in the Pacific without ever setting down. Our tankers were progged to refuel fighters on their way to places like the Middle East, Europe, Pacific and were retasked with a simple paper order and met up with the C-141s for Grenada instead. Same goes for the Pacific based Tankers. A Tanker has no care of what it refuels. And all the Tankers also carry Navy type Drogues as well as USAF booms. The Navy won't have the tanker force it needs to get in on the "Fun" but don't be shocked when the Marines KC-130s and AF KC-135s and KC-130s show up to get those linebackers in place. The Heavy Tankers will just have to make sure that they reserve enough fuel for the little buddies after refueling the long range resources.

You are still thinking inside such a small box.

Your C-141s left the Chair Force about the same time Obama was starting to look at running for President. Yes, it was THAT long ago!

How about you get with the 21st century?

What's the matter, cupcake, you think the Tanker Force and it's uses has changed since then? That same Tanker Force has always enabled a Buff to launch out of North Dakota and hit anywhere on the Globe without landing and return home without touching down in transit. It's always enabled Fighters to cross the Pacific without even touching down in Wake or other places. What would take days and weeks can be done in a matter of hours. And this includes support of USAF, Marine, Navy and Army resources. Tankers may be stationed at one place but are doing TDYs at other places to get them closer to the support areas.

And if you think a Tanker is slow, they aren't. With a full fuel load of 150tons they can cruise at 500kts for many hours. Just how far can a Tanker get in 14 hours time and still have enough fuel to refuel a whole bunch of Fighters both on the way in and on the way out of the combat zone. China already knows that in order to cripple the attacking forces, they are going to have to cripple the Tanker Force and, at this time, that just can't be done.

As long as the tool doesn't change, the situation doesn't change, the uses won't change either. In the event of having to attack the coastal regions of China, the Fighters are going to be well outside their own range but the Tankers "Extend" those ranges. In case you haven't heard, it's called "Force Multiplier".

Your poor reading comprehension strikes again. I never said any of that. Is there any reason you ignored everything I did post?

There are not enough tankers. Very simple.

 

[Weatherman2020]

According to Defense News, Air Force units will now head to the hills at the first sign of war, dispersing from their massive bases to local airports, isolated airstrips, any place that can support airplanes. The idea is to use those large bases not to concentrate air power but as a hub to feed dispersed air power, maintaining a steady flow of fuel, ammunition, and food to small detachments of fighters and other warplanes hiding at airfields adversaries may not even know about. U.S. Air Force Air Bases | Why Big Air Bases Are a Big Liability
The first sign of war will be these giant Airbases all burning at once. Speed of missiles these days fired from subs this must have Chinese laughing their ass off

I like the strategy. We learned something at Pearl Harbor apparently.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Actually, the topic is about relocation of Bases Stateside due to a War. And that is only going happen if the Russians start putting in the target codes on the Land Based ICBMs. Same goes for us. Conventional war will NOT trigger the relocation. There is no need since we can't be invaded and neither can China nor Russia.

No its about relocation of Pacific bases to other places in Theater....go back and fucking read

In order to put Wake or others out of action, you really can't use conventional warheads for that. Kt versus MT. In fact, the warheads on the conventional Ballistic Missiles aren't enough to do any more than piss the other side off no matter how many you use. The use of an alternative air field is as old as Air Power. You honestly believe that the US hitting the Luftwaffen Air Fields stopped the launching of German Fighters and Bombers? It didn't. Even the bombing of the major factories didn't stop production. Germany relocated it all and adapted. What stopped Air Power was the starvation of Fuel. And even then, Germany used alternative methods to make that fuel but it was costly and less efficient. Even the Brits moved their bases further away from their coast because those bases were being hit.

If you think this is something new, it's not. And the planning is sound.

Now go read the other article I posted on Chinese planning......you really are worthless and unimaginative....good thing you are out

The relocation plans have always existed even in WWI. And I am not real worried about the Chinese doing any preemptive strikes on US Bases. The payback would be hell with just the resources that are in place right now. Their industries are on the coast. Their shipping is on the coast. And they can't think that a retaliatory strike wouldn't be done. It would cripple China for a few decades. And, again, that is from the US Resources that are currently in that theater. China would lose the war without a single GI stepping foot on Chinese Soil.

You see... There is a little problem - Russia. If we use small forces - the Russians will significally increase their influence in China and China became their colony (so, Russia became much stronger and the USA - much weaker). If we use all our nukes - Russia will attack us without any risk of retaliation.
We really need to distract Russia before fighting China.

Attacking China using Nukes would be silly. We have enough conventional resources in place right now to cripple China and China knows it. So the Nukes are left on the bargaining table.

What exactly are those resources? Your imagination does not count!

20+ years experience in the Service that will be doing the heavy lifting. Also common sense knowing the population and manufacturing centers for China. Of course, the Navy will be in on the act as well but they are going to be playing line backers. Do a little research on your own for a change. Find out where their weak spots are and you will find out just how vulnerable they really are. If you can't figure out how it can be done then I am glad that you aren't in on the planning stage in any capacity. But I'll give you a hint, the Tankers are going to be real busy just outside of the reach of the Chinese.

You mean the tankers that we currently don't have?

We only have a finite number, yes. But when the Strategic Tankers are moved from Strategic to Tactical things change fast on support of such an attack. You are thinking inside a very small box.

You seem to think the Chinese won't notice this movement? The way the Chair Force operates, most of these pilots grandma probably still lives in Beijing!

Your thinking wouldn't fill a thimble comes in! You have delusions of grandeur when it comes to your war planning ability because you have never done it!

The biggest thing you probably ever commanded was a toilet brush!

Most of the tactical resources are already in place. What's no in place is the Tanker force. The Tanker Force doesn't have to be in place. A Tanker can be flying one mission headed for over the Atlantic and be retasked inflight to refuel in the Pacific without ever setting down. Our tankers were progged to refuel fighters on their way to places like the Middle East, Europe, Pacific and were retasked with a simple paper order and met up with the C-141s for Grenada instead. Same goes for the Pacific based Tankers. A Tanker has no care of what it refuels. And all the Tankers also carry Navy type Drogues as well as USAF booms. The Navy won't have the tanker force it needs to get in on the "Fun" but don't be shocked when the Marines KC-130s and AF KC-135s and KC-130s show up to get those linebackers in place. The Heavy Tankers will just have to make sure that they reserve enough fuel for the little buddies after refueling the long range resources.

You are still thinking inside such a small box.

Your C-141s left the Chair Force about the same time Obama was starting to look at running for President. Yes, it was THAT long ago!

How about you get with the 21st century?

What's the matter, cupcake, you think the Tanker Force and it's uses has changed since then? That same Tanker Force has always enabled a Buff to launch out of North Dakota and hit anywhere on the Globe without landing and return home without touching down in transit. It's always enabled Fighters to cross the Pacific without even touching down in Wake or other places. What would take days and weeks can be done in a matter of hours. And this includes support of USAF, Marine, Navy and Army resources. Tankers may be stationed at one place but are doing TDYs at other places to get them closer to the support areas.

And if you think a Tanker is slow, they aren't. With a full fuel load of 150tons they can cruise at 500kts for many hours. Just how far can a Tanker get in 14 hours time and still have enough fuel to refuel a whole bunch of Fighters both on the way in and on the way out of the combat zone. China already knows that in order to cripple the attacking forces, they are going to have to cripple the Tanker Force and, at this time, that just can't be done.

As long as the tool doesn't change, the situation doesn't change, the uses won't change either. In the event of having to attack the coastal regions of China, the Fighters are going to be well outside their own range but the Tankers "Extend" those ranges. In case you haven't heard, it's called "Force Multiplier".

Your poor reading comprehension strikes again. I never said any of that. Is there any reason you ignored everything I did post?

There are not enough tankers. Very simple.

There never IS enough tankers. That's why people smarter than you are manage them. At 350 mil a copy or more, you will NEVER have as many as you want. But you will have as many as you need.

You keep trying to move the goalposts. Sorry, won't allow that. Now, go troll someone else for a change.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

According to Defense News, Air Force units will now head to the hills at the first sign of war, dispersing from their massive bases to local airports, isolated airstrips, any place that can support airplanes. The idea is to use those large bases not to concentrate air power but as a hub to feed dispersed air power, maintaining a steady flow of fuel, ammunition, and food to small detachments of fighters and other warplanes hiding at airfields adversaries may not even know about. U.S. Air Force Air Bases | Why Big Air Bases Are a Big Liability
The first sign of war will be these giant Airbases all burning at once. Speed of missiles these days fired from subs this must have Chinese laughing their ass off

I like the strategy. We learned something at Pearl Harbor apparently.

What he leaves off is, the support and recovery head for alternative areas. The actual force launches and what's left of them will need those alternate areas to recover, repair, refuel, rearm and relaunch.

 

[basquebromance]

"when i first enlisted, i wanted to see the world and feed my adventurous spirit with boys, guns, and things that go BOOM! I was full of piss and vinegar. i thought i was immortal" - Pete Buttigieg