Some want to Blame Obama...Others Bush

[HackinJack]

Except that the Cotton Gin was invented a full half century before the end of Slavery. Next.[/QUOTE]

Legal slavery ended peacefully everywhere else (except Haiti) in the Western hemisphere in the 19th century, usually by compensated emancipation. This could have happened in the United States as well, if there had been a national leader for whom ending slavery was a first priority.

 

[BlindBoo]

Except that the Cotton Gin was invented a full half century before the end of Slavery. Next.

Legal slavery ended peacefully everywhere else (except Haiti) in the Western hemisphere in the 19th century, usually by compensated emancipation. This could have happened in the United States as well, if there had been a national leader for whom ending slavery was a first priority.

Industrialized Slavery in the USA was not going to end peacefully. Ever. Slaves began running the Cotton Gins. It just allowed the owners to farm more acreage. Greater profits.

 

[HackinJack]

Except that the Cotton Gin was invented a full half century before the end of Slavery. Next.

Legal slavery ended peacefully everywhere else (except Haiti) in the Western hemisphere in the 19th century, usually by compensated emancipation. This could have happened in the United States as well, if there had been a national leader for whom ending slavery was a first priority.

Industrialized Slavery in the USA was not going to end peacefully. Ever. Slaves began running the Cotton Gins. It just allowed the owners to farm more acreage. Greater profits.

That is just your opinion and you are entitled to it...but it is not enough.

On the other hand there is much evidence slavery down south could have been ended peacefully.

The North ended Slavery peacefully as well as all other countries in the Western Hemisphere with the exception of Haiti.

“What if we avoided the Civil War? Could slavery have ended peacefully?”

“That one is pretty popular down here too, General. There’s a growing suspicion among our historical fraternity that if we could have waited another forty or fifty years, slavery would have disappeared peacefully, the way it did in Brazil and other countries.”

“Exactly what I—and some others think. Jimmy Buchanan demurs. He has no confidence in people recovering from diseases of the public mind. But I’m an optimist on such matters. In 1787, we overcame a huge prejudice against a strong central government. The doomsters like Pat Henry and Sam Adams shouted themselves hoarse, but we beat them.”

What were the signs of hope for a peaceful end to slavery in 1861?

The number of free blacks was growing every year. In 1860, they totaled a half million! Not many people know that. Talented blacks were running plantations all over the South—even while they were enslaved.
- See more at: History News Network | Channelling George Washington: What If ... Slavery Ended Peacefully?

 

[BlindBoo]

Legal slavery ended peacefully everywhere else (except Haiti) in the Western hemisphere in the 19th century, usually by compensated emancipation. This could have happened in the United States as well, if there had been a national leader for whom ending slavery was a first priority.

Industrialized Slavery in the USA was not going to end peacefully. Ever. Slaves began running the Cotton Gins. It just allowed the owners to farm more acreage. Greater profits.

That is just your opinion and you are entitled to it...but it is not enough.

On the other hand there is much evidence slavery down south could have been ended peacefully.

The North ended Slavery peacefully as well as all other countries in the Western Hemisphere with the exception of Haiti.

“What if we avoided the Civil War? Could slavery have ended peacefully?”

“That one is pretty popular down here too, General. There’s a growing suspicion among our historical fraternity that if we could have waited another forty or fifty years, slavery would have disappeared peacefully, the way it did in Brazil and other countries.”

“Exactly what I—and some others think. Jimmy Buchanan demurs. He has no confidence in people recovering from diseases of the public mind. But I’m an optimist on such matters. In 1787, we overcame a huge prejudice against a strong central government. The doomsters like Pat Henry and Sam Adams shouted themselves hoarse, but we beat them.”

What were the signs of hope for a peaceful end to slavery in 1861?

The number of free blacks was growing every year. In 1860, they totaled a half million! Not many people know that. Talented blacks were running plantations all over the South—even while they were enslaved.
- See more at: History News Network | Channelling George Washington: What If ... Slavery Ended Peacefully?

1. Slaves represented real property value. The South's biggest asset wasn't cotton, it was human beings. That is why the Southern economy collapsed after 1865—old Nathan Bedford Forrest himself said "I went into the war a millionaire and came out a pauper." Why? All his 'wealth' was in slaves.

2. The virtual serfdom of poor whites and blacks in the South after Reconstruction. The entire economic system, which only fell apart because of the Depression and the great migration of blacks to the North in WWI and WWII, was based on sharecropping. Sharecropping only worked because the "New South" replaced antebellum planters with bankers, etc. It was a form of slavery as well—just one in which "the owners" had no moral or ethical responsibility to care for the slave...since they had no 'property rights.'

3. There is zero evidence slavery would have naturally ended. There was no antebellum abolitionist movement in the South. On the contrary, the entire social system was set up to reinforce slavery.

Lastly, just imagine how easy it would have been for anti-labor industrialists to move factories South, where you not only did not have labor unions, but could contract for workers from their 'owners' at a set, low rate. It would have been horror, and the death of any hope of democracy in America.

Conservative Publisher's New Book: "If There Had Been No Civil War, the South Would Have Abolished Slavery Peaceably" | Mother Jones

 

[HackinJack]

"A real statesman, as opposed to a monstrous, egomaniacal patronage politician like Abe Lincoln, would have made use of the decades-long world history of peaceful emancipation if his main purpose was to end slavery. Of course, Lincoln always insisted that that was in no way his purpose. He stated this very clearly in his first inaugural address, in which he even supported the proposed Corwin Amendment to the Constitution, which would have prohibited the federal government from EVER interfering with Southern slavery. He — and the U.S. Congress — declared repeatedly that the purpose of the war was to "save the union," but of course the war destroyed the voluntary union of the founding fathers."

See>>>>>>Lincoln's Greatest Failure (Or, How a Real Statesman Would Have Ended Slavery) ? LewRockwell.com

 

[HackinJack]

As the Federal Government has lived peacefully with Canada all these years...the same scenario could have played out with the South....if the South had been allowed to secede peacefully as should have been the case since it was perfectly constitutional to do so.

We are a divided nation...the War Between The States was the ultimate proof of that....and we are just as divided today as back then...though it is not as strictlly geographic as it was back then.

We really need to divide....let those dedicated to a totolitarian form of government and a innate hatred of the South aka the leftwing, communiists/socialists, democrats or progressives go to the left and freedom loving people will go to the right....the details could be worked out and it could be peaceful and everyone would be much happier....in fact just to start things off we would settle for Texas....from there we could organize for the ultimate parting of ways.

Secession: It?s constitutional