Solar energy is dead

[mdn2000]

He was already confronted with just such a power plant or 7 in CA and he still insisted furiously that they need water and kill sacred endangered turtles.

mdn is looney.

Looney, not much of an insult coming from a "Headline driven" fanatic.

Water is still the issue, if you look beyond headlines, look at the Environment Impact study.

http://www.nrel.gov/csp/troughnet/pdfs/40025.pdf

Anyone with half a brain knows all Solar projects require water, given that they are building Solar on public land in the desert with scarce water, water is a huge factor.

Too bad people are hypocrites, ignorant hypocrites, for Solar Power farms consume massive amounts of natural resources during manufacturing of the panels, millions of tons of CO2 are released into the environment.

Use more raw materials at a faster rate to make Solar Power plants which produce less energy from a larger amount of raw material,

Solar, more in, less out.

Another Corporate/Government robbery, take from the public, give to the rich

Silly ass. Photovoltaic, thermal solar, even Stirling engines. None of these use water in the process of producing electricity.

Where is your link, of course they all use water, nothing is made without water. Everything at the very least needs to be cleaned, of course in addition to cleaning solar must be cooled, even the "dry" technologies use water, its just that they are not as wet as "wet" solar.

Too bad they dont work, not commercially, seems a waste of natural resources, its like building a giant bus that is never used or is never full.

Solar cannot even predict when they will be able to provide energy, that is why solar must have a 100% fossil fuel backup. Imagine, the energy company makes a profit on Solar and Fossil energy plants, they even get to sell the fossil energy at the cost of the more expensive solar energy. No wonder Chevron and Edison are backing solar energy. They double the profit and dont have to worry about the money to do it, we give it to them.

 

[mdn2000]

FuturePundit: 2010 10 Gigawatts Solar Power Install Expected

June 14, 2010
2010 10 Gigawatts Solar Power Install Expected
Eric Wesoff of Green Tech Media reports on their projection that well over 10 gigawatts of solar cells will be installed in 2010.


In 2010, we will cross the threshold of 10 gigawatts of photovoltaic solar installed globally in a single year -- a record-setting and once-inconceivable number.

Rewind to ten years ago: the total amount of photovoltaics installed in the year 2000 was 170 megawatts. Since then, the solar photovoltaic industry has grown at a 51 percent annual growth rate, and 170 megawatts is now the size of a healthy utility installation or a small solar factory.

Contrast that with 200 gigawatts of wind installation this year. Wind continues to far surpass solar power due to lower costs.

Old Crock, you link states the opposite, besides, why destroy millions of acres of land for extremely expensive energy, the energy is so expensive we have to borrow billions from the Chinese so we can buy the solar components from the Chinese. You can bet your ass that the Chinese are following all our environmental laws.

Maybe that is why all the Green Energy is made in China, so we can pollute the earth where we cant see it.

Solar makes people feel good, its not renewable, Solar power plants do not last as long as a fossil fuel plant, we will literally have to throw thousands of square miles of solar panels in the garbage before on nuclear reactor needs to be replaced.

Windmills and Solar panels get replaced more ofter than a nuclear power plant so how is that renewable?

 

[mdn2000]

By damn, solar seems to be flopping a lot to be considered dead.

5 GigaWatt Solar Power Field To Be Built In South Africa | Solar Power

South Africa has recently unveiled plans for building world’s biggest solar energy park, which, according to officials, will be capable of producing about 5GW of clean electricity.

The country is more than 90% dependent on coal-fired power stations and one in six people still lacks electricity: “In South Africa over 90% of our power comes from the burning of coal and we need to reduce this because of our international obligations on climate change,” said Jonathan de Vries, the project manager

Good place for large solar power plants, its not like elephants need a place to roam. How hot will the earth get with every solar power mirror to be the largest in the world, seems like all those mirrors will reflect the heat back up into that very scary CO2 (dry ice is CO2).

Mirrors get real hot, I thought we were suppose to cool the earth not cover it with mirrors reflecting the heat back into the atmosphere heating up those pesky CO2 molecules. I wonder how much heat the earth used to absorb but now is reflected into the atmosphere.

Seeing how global warming is all theory I have a new theory, as Solar power plants are built the earth gets warmer. Solar Power plants reflect heat into the atmosphere where the heat causes the most damage.

 

[Bfgrn]

Solar energy is dead

It's just is an eclipse...stay calm...

 

[mdn2000]

Solar energy is dead

It's just is an eclipse...stay calm...

So we need nukes during an eclipse, solar energy fails during an eclipse. Maybe they can time the wind to blow during the eclipse or maybe they think we cant have an eclipse with no wind.

I bet you Old Crock knows the answer, Old Crock knows everything. Just check the link.

 

[Bfgrn]

Solar energy is dead

It's just is an eclipse...stay calm...

So we need nukes during an eclipse, solar energy fails during an eclipse. Maybe they can time the wind to blow during the eclipse or maybe they think we cant have an eclipse with no wind.

I bet you Old Crock knows the answer, Old Crock knows everything. Just check the link.

Here's your word for the day: Parody

 

[mdn2000]

Solar energy is dead

It's just is an eclipse...stay calm...

So we need nukes during an eclipse, solar energy fails during an eclipse. Maybe they can time the wind to blow during the eclipse or maybe they think we cant have an eclipse with no wind.

I bet you Old Crock knows the answer, Old Crock knows everything. Just check the link.

Here's your word for the day: Parody

If only the sun was shining, in circumstances such as these only fossil and nuclear energy are reliable, life saving.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL. It just cannot get any better than mdn.

 

[Secularist]

Solar Energy and Biofuel are the future. About 2yrs from now, when the rightwing gets removed from office again. It really is unfortunate, that the conservatives, talking about what to do to stimulate the economy, do not embrace the idea of solar technology, biofuel, and other environmentally friendly energy sources. With all their abilities, well demonstrated, on how to make a profit, one would think they would be opportunistic in exploiting the potential of this green energy philosophy. It could be a win/win scenario.

 

[JiggsCasey]

Solar Energy and Biofuel are the future. About 2yrs from now, when the rightwing gets removed from office again. It really is unfortunate, that the conservatives, talking about what to do to stimulate the economy, do not embrace the idea of solar technology, biofuel, and other environmentally friendly energy sources. With all their abilities, well demonstrated, on how to make a profit, one would think they would be opportunistic in exploiting the potential of this green energy philosophy. It could be a win/win scenario.

In the greatest irony, conservatives are utterly uninterested in conserving anything when it comes to mankind's greatest crisis: energy.

 

[mdn2000]

Solar Energy and Biofuel are the future. About 2yrs from now, when the rightwing gets removed from office again. It really is unfortunate, that the conservatives, talking about what to do to stimulate the economy, do not embrace the idea of solar technology, biofuel, and other environmentally friendly energy sources. With all their abilities, well demonstrated, on how to make a profit, one would think they would be opportunistic in exploiting the potential of this green energy philosophy. It could be a win/win scenario.

You do not know a thing of which you post, do you. Its obvious you have done no research and have no education on the subject otherwise you could address what I have posted.

Wait for my next thread, I think it will be called, England to destroy destroy rain forest in south america to grow feedstock for biofuel.

Biofuels release more C02 in the atmosphere than burning oil and you need much more.

A million acres on average 180 ft deep, that is how big some of the oil deposits are.

How thick can you grow anything, squeeze it down and size, refine it, without links common sense must tell you at best you will have 1' of feedstock, once processed, we will need at least a 100 million acres of land devoted to growing crops for biofuel. Thats just to replace Saudi Arabia, which only provides around 20% of our oil, so we will need at lease 500 million acres of land.

Solar, maybe 500 million acres of land devoted to Solar.

Sounds like with all that land taken out of the hands of the public the price of land will go up, banks will make more money, Chevron, Exxon and all the other corporations are going to make a fortune.

I even heard we will have to cover Africa with biofuel crops, destroy the habitat for the elephants and gorillas, they are also cutting down the rain forest, but thats to meet Britain's demand.

Yes, the far right conservatives are the nut jobs with crazy ideas.

 

[editec]

Solar energy is dead?

Somebody better tell American farmers.

They're rather heavily invested in its continuing to be alive.

 

[mdn2000]

Solar Energy and Biofuel are the future. About 2yrs from now, when the rightwing gets removed from office again. It really is unfortunate, that the conservatives, talking about what to do to stimulate the economy, do not embrace the idea of solar technology, biofuel, and other environmentally friendly energy sources. With all their abilities, well demonstrated, on how to make a profit, one would think they would be opportunistic in exploiting the potential of this green energy philosophy. It could be a win/win scenario.

In the greatest irony, conservatives are utterly uninterested in conserving anything when it comes to mankind's greatest crisis: energy.

In the greatest irony of the world, you do not see the worlds largest solar farm consuming the worlds largest amount of glass to make the worlds largest mirrors, consuming the worlds largest amount land, making the worlds largest heat concentrator, open to the atmosphere.

Irony, consuming more to create the worlds largest solar farm with the lowest return of energy.

 

[mdn2000]

Solar energy is dead?

Somebody better tell American farmers.

They're rather heavily invested in its continuing to be alive.

Somebody is buying their land to build the worlds largest solar power plant which is the worlds largest concentrator of heat. Better hope there is no CO2 around to capture the man all that dangerous man-made heat.

 

[Old Rocks]

We made the sun? Dang, I didn't know that. mdn, you silly ass, you just keep getting further and further out in right field.

 

[JBeukema]

Industrial scale solar is dead for another 40-75 years. Till the technology is improved to greater efficiency to compete with real power sources like Nuclear, Hydro and Coal.

You will never know for true how good it really is till they lose all subsidies.

BUT...

As a supplemental power supply for residential and light commercial and possibly light industrial (offices with small machinery) it's a great bonus to have. Slap those on the roofs of warehouses office buildings and houses, and it's a nice supplement.

Well said

 

[JBeukema]

Teh solar- it est too much!


Solar power could crash Germany's grid - environment - 27 October 2010 - New Scientist

 

[JBeukema]

Now be honest and tell the forum how much water is used for oil shale and tar sands. It dwarfs the amount alleged in your faux concern above, OP.

Just what IS with the boner you guys have for ever-dirtier hydro-carbon energy? You'll learn soon enough just what's at play here.

Shhhh

ASPO-USA: Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas

they're republican puppets

big oil gives the Party a lot of money

 

[JBeukema]

as to how long our available supplies of nuclear fuel (located in the US) would last if we used it as our main or primary source of power?

Never got an answer

 

[JBeukema]

What we need is a decentralized system in which every home and businesses or city, as is feasible in any given case, using the means available to them- be they solar, wind,geothermal, or some other means of production- seeks to generate all the power they need. In times of high demand, or if their own production is insufficient to fit their needs, they should draw power from a smaller grid comprised of other homes and building in their area and also shared sources of production- wind farms, solar farms, nuclear or coal plants. Each of these micro-grids should then be connected to one another through a hierarchal system, where each tier can operate independently of those next to or above it. Our aging infrastructure, currently our lifeline, should then be converted to transmit power as needed between the largest sets of these 'microgrids'.

Such a system would help isolate people from rolling blackouts, reduce the vulnerability of America's power supplies, and improve overall efficiency, while the investment in producing one's own power would help to save money and greatly reduce power bills in the future.

It falls to every homeowner to decide to lead this effort in their own home, beginning by adding to or retrofitting their homes with wind or solar power to the extent they can. It falls to congress and state leadership to put into effect tax breaks for such investments to help encourage such progress and to push for the adoption and development of such a system, in their towns, cities, counties, and states. This is a system that would have to be built from the bottom-up-- not by big daddy fed, but by homeowners, local businesses, and cites and other local bodies. The fed and the massive power supergiants should not be the vulnerable backbone of America. They should work together to strengthen systems that should be able to survive alone, generate their own power and revenue, and encourage good ol' American ingenuity, drive, and technological innovation.