Socialism: Your Questions Answered

[Edgetho]

Can anyone name a democratically elected nation that does not have some degree of socialism or socialist programs in it's policies or methods of governing?

It isn't socialism.

Was it socialism when Hammurabi wrote about taking care of widows and orphans?

It's called "Society" -- NOT "Socialism"

Societies look out for its members.

You people are getting into 3rd grade shit now. You need to up your game

 

[NYcarbineer]

Denmark is a democratic socialist country. Is it a communist country?

No it isn't. That's a lie and you are a liar.

Denmark is one of the freest economies on the surface of the planet.

Now, if want to say that Denmark is a Nanny State, you'd have a point. But it is NOT a socialist society in any way. Not even close.

That's what I mean about giving children a toy to play with. They'll abuse it and break it.

You just simply can't say that a Country with a higher economic freedom index than OURS is a socialist Country unless you're a lying sack of shit.....

ooops, nevermind

lol, now suddenly European socialism doesn't exist. Goddam there is nothing too stupid for you people to attempt in defending an indefensible argument.

There is no such thing as democratic socialism.

If there is, define it.

You can't, ergo you are just another lying dimocrap sack of shit.

It.Just.Doesn't.Exist.

And you are an idiot

Maybe you should argue with the author of this thread, who once said:

"The Obama administration has been racing to transform the U.S. into a copy of the European social-welfare system..."

I guess she was what? Ranting about something that doesn't exist?

lol

European Economy Good Thinking Libs US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Can anyone name a democratically elected nation that does not have some degree of socialism or socialist programs in it's policies or methods of governing?

It isn't socialism.

Was it socialism when Hammurabi wrote about taking care of widows and orphans?

It's called "Society" -- NOT "Socialism"

Societies look out for its members.

You people are getting into 3rd grade shit now. You need to up your game

Tell you what, why don't you define "Socialism" for us? Since only you seem to know what you'd call socialist, let's start there eh?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Can anyone name a democratically elected nation that does not have some degree of socialism or socialist programs in it's policies or methods of governing?

It isn't socialism.

Was it socialism when Hammurabi wrote about taking care of widows and orphans?

It's called "Society" -- NOT "Socialism"

Societies look out for its members.

You people are getting into 3rd grade shit now. You need to up your game

Ah so you don't object to the US being a welfare state?

lol

 

[NYcarbineer]

Can anyone name a democratically elected nation that does not have some degree of socialism or socialist programs in it's policies or methods of governing?

It isn't socialism.

Was it socialism when Hammurabi wrote about taking care of widows and orphans?

It's called "Society" -- NOT "Socialism"

Societies look out for its members.

You people are getting into 3rd grade shit now. You need to up your game

Tell you what, why don't you define "Socialism" for us? Since only you seem to know what you'd call socialist, let's start there eh?

He's pretzeling up trying to defend the OP, who apparently has given up trying to defend herself.

 

[Edgetho]

There is no such thing as democratic socialism.

Lots of links for something you say doesn't exist? democratic socialism - Google Search

There's that damn reality thing again. Just always getting in your way...

Then define it. It doesn't exist. Except in that tiny little brain of yours as a theory.

It doesn't exist.

If it does, define it then tell me where it is being used.

You dirtbags have completely derailed this thread.

Like you do with everything in here. You don't like it, you come into it and shit all over it.

I don't know the powers that be put up with childish bullshit.

Post me a definition of democratic socialism and where it is practiced so I can make you look even stupider than you already do

 

[Edgetho]

Here, look at how socialist your precious Denmark is --

Country Rankings World Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

rank country overall change rank country overall change
6 Canada 79.1 -1.1
7 Chile 78.5 -0.2
8 Estonia 76.8 +0.9
9 Ireland 76.6 +0.4
10 Mauritius 76.4 -0.1
11 Denmark 76.3 +0.2
12 United States 76.2 +0.7

You people are freaking morons.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

There is no such thing as democratic socialism.

Lots of links for something you say doesn't exist? democratic socialism - Google Search

There's that damn reality thing again. Just always getting in your way...

Then define it. It doesn't exist. Except in that tiny little brain of yours as a theory.

It doesn't exist.

If it does, define it then tell me where it is being used.

You dirtbags have completely derailed this thread.

Like you do with everything in here. You don't like it, you come into it and shit all over it.

I don't know the powers that be put up with childish bullshit.

Post me a definition of democratic socialism and where it is practiced so I can make you look even stupider than you already do

For the sake of argument, let's just go with the top link:

"Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating a democratic political system alongside a socialist economic system, involving a combination of political democracy with social ownership of the means of production."
democratic socialism - Google Search

And in the US we find these guys, who seem to have a plan: Democratic Socialists of America

 

[Edgetho]

Even according to wiki, that refuge for the community college student, look at how 'socialist' Denmark is

List of countries by economic freedom - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Rank Country Score
1

Hong Kong 90.1
2

Singapore 89.4
3

Australia 82.0
4

New Zealand 81.4
5

Switzerland 81.0
6

Canada 80.2
7

Chile 78.7
8

Mauritius 76.5
9

Denmark 76.1
10

United States 76.0

wow, that's really socialist huh, gang?

A more free economy than ours and we have morons inn here shouting about 'socialist' they are.

morons

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Here, look at how socialist your precious Denmark is --

Country Rankings World Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

rank country overall change rank country overall change
6 Canada 79.1 -1.1
7 Chile 78.5 -0.2
8 Estonia 76.8 +0.9
9 Ireland 76.6 +0.4
10 Mauritius 76.4 -0.1
11 Denmark 76.3 +0.2
12 United States 76.2 +0.7

You people are freaking morons.

Yes, I posted that link. I would imagine he was thinking more of the neighbors? I prefer Sweden, a mixed-economy, myself.

 

[Edgetho]

There is no such thing as democratic socialism.

Lots of links for something you say doesn't exist? democratic socialism - Google Search

There's that damn reality thing again. Just always getting in your way...

Then define it. It doesn't exist. Except in that tiny little brain of yours as a theory.

It doesn't exist.

If it does, define it then tell me where it is being used.

You dirtbags have completely derailed this thread.

Like you do with everything in here. You don't like it, you come into it and shit all over it.

I don't know the powers that be put up with childish bullshit.

Post me a definition of democratic socialism and where it is practiced so I can make you look even stupider than you already do

For the sake of argument, let's just go with the top link:

"Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating a democratic political system alongside a socialist economic system, involving a combination of political democracy with social ownership of the means of production."
democratic socialism - Google Search

And in the US we find these guys, who seem to have a plan: Democratic Socialists of America

You or one of your reach around buddies said Denmark is a democratic socialist Country.

I said democratic socialism doesn't exist except in theory.

Then you find some unknown party in some remote area of the Country housed in a gray tenement building and you want to claim victory?

YOU are a ******* idiot.

I chewed you up and shit you out. Get over it. There NO democratic socialist Countries because the theory isn't practiced by anybody anwhere.

The old Soviet communist parties renamed themselves democratic socialist. Does that make them what they call themselves. It's a theory.

 

[Edgetho]

Here, look at how socialist your precious Denmark is --

Country Rankings World Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

rank country overall change rank country overall change
6 Canada 79.1 -1.1
7 Chile 78.5 -0.2
8 Estonia 76.8 +0.9
9 Ireland 76.6 +0.4
10 Mauritius 76.4 -0.1
11 Denmark 76.3 +0.2
12 United States 76.2 +0.7

You people are freaking morons.

Yes, I posted that link. I would imagine he was thinking more of the neighbors? I prefer Sweden, a mixed-economy, myself.

Sweden is ranked higher than Germany or Japan --

List of countries by economic freedom - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Rank Country Score
1

Hong Kong 90.1
2

Singapore 89.4
3

Australia 82.0
4

New Zealand 81.4
5

Switzerland 81.0
6

Canada 80.2
7

Chile 78.7
8

Mauritius 76.5
9

Denmark 76.1
10

United States 76.0
11

Ireland 75.7
12

Bahrain 75.5
13

Estonia 75.3
14

United Kingdom 74.8
15

Luxembourg 74.2
16

Finland 74.0
17

The Netherlands 73.5
18

Sweden 72.9
19

Germany 72.8


You're just a childish ***** that won't admit to being wrong.

You're stupid, too.

Tell us more about how socialist these Scandi Countries are......

Moron

 

[Camp]

Can anyone name a democratically elected nation that does not have some degree of socialism or socialist programs in it's policies or methods of governing?

It isn't socialism.

Was it socialism when Hammurabi wrote about taking care of widows and orphans?

It's called "Society" -- NOT "Socialism"

Societies look out for its members.

You people are getting into 3rd grade shit now. You need to up your game

You don't even know what a constitutional monarchy or the meaning of a Unitarian Parliament is let alone socialism. You are claiming to know the definition of an political thesis that has dozens of definitions and has been debated and discussed by some of the worlds greatest political scholars for generation. Somehow, you are wiser and more knowledgeable than all those generations of brilliant minds. They have all been wrong and you are right.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You or one of your reach around buddies said Denmark is a democratic socialist Country.

Not me, so there you go.

As for it being a theory, well, that would be rather in the eye of the beholder for strongly socialist or even mixed-economy nations that were more democratic than dictatorial now wouldn't it? If you wish fight over Denmark, not my example, do that with the one who posted it eh?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Here, look at how socialist your precious Denmark is --

Country Rankings World Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

rank country overall change rank country overall change
6 Canada 79.1 -1.1
7 Chile 78.5 -0.2
8 Estonia 76.8 +0.9
9 Ireland 76.6 +0.4
10 Mauritius 76.4 -0.1
11 Denmark 76.3 +0.2
12 United States 76.2 +0.7

You people are freaking morons.

Yes, I posted that link. I would imagine he was thinking more of the neighbors? I prefer Sweden, a mixed-economy, myself.

Sweden is ranked higher than Germany or Japan --

List of countries by economic freedom - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Rank Country Score
1

Hong Kong 90.1
2

Singapore 89.4
3

Australia 82.0
4

New Zealand 81.4
5

Switzerland 81.0
6

Canada 80.2
7

Chile 78.7
8

Mauritius 76.5
9

Denmark 76.1
10

United States 76.0
11

Ireland 75.7
12

Bahrain 75.5
13

Estonia 75.3
14

United Kingdom 74.8
15

Luxembourg 74.2
16

Finland 74.0
17

The Netherlands 73.5
18

Sweden 72.9
19

Germany 72.8


You're just a childish ***** that won't admit to being wrong.

You're stupid, too.

Tell us more about how socialist these Scandi Countries are......

Moron

I haven't been wrong about anything, you are fighting with the other guy, so do so.

FYI, this works for me: Economy of Sweden - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. The methods that Leftists, communists/socialists, are willing to use in their endeavor to create the 'new man' have nothing to do with humanity.

a. "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Trotsky, Lenin, Stalin.....their record of atrocities proved to be no bar to Franklin Roosevelt. He hopped right into bed with 'em.....and took America with him.





5. The first principle for the Soviets, the communists, the international socialists, was that guilt or innocence was unrelated to punishment. You were arrested....you confessed.....you were sentenced. They all did. Not justice, but constant fear was what the system was all about. After all...why have an all-powerful government if it couldn't use that power.

Millions were sent to their deaths in the gulags.

After Stalin's prisoners confessed, and they all did,....

" ...the prisoners faced the journey to their islands in the archipelago. The descriptions of these train rides match anything in the literature of the Shoah. I thought for a moment that there might be a qualitative difference: the absence of children, or at least the absence of their ubiquity.
But the entire families of the ‘kulaks’, the targeted peasants,were deported and encamped in their millions during the early 1930s alone; and entire nations were deported and encamped during and after the war.

No, the children were there, as victims, and not just on the transports. About 1 million children died in the Holocaust.
About 3 million children died in the Terror-Famine of 1933."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread".



a. Jonathan Glover in his recent bookHumanity: A Moral History of the Twentieth Centurystates‘In 1930, 10,000 familieswere sent on a journey over the ice of the Vasyugan river.Many, especially children, died on the journey. The survivors were left, with no food or tools,on bits of land in the middle of the marshes. The paths back were guarded with machine-guns.
Everyone died.’

So....in 1933, Franklin Roosevelt rewarded Stalin with the imprimatur of the United States.

 

[Edgetho]

Here, look at how socialist your precious Denmark is --

Country Rankings World Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

rank country overall change rank country overall change
6 Canada 79.1 -1.1
7 Chile 78.5 -0.2
8 Estonia 76.8 +0.9
9 Ireland 76.6 +0.4
10 Mauritius 76.4 -0.1
11 Denmark 76.3 +0.2
12 United States 76.2 +0.7

You people are freaking morons.

Yes, I posted that link. I would imagine he was thinking more of the neighbors? I prefer Sweden, a mixed-economy, myself.

Sweden is ranked higher than Germany or Japan --

List of countries by economic freedom - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Rank Country Score
1

Hong Kong 90.1
2

Singapore 89.4
3

Australia 82.0
4

New Zealand 81.4
5

Switzerland 81.0
6

Canada 80.2
7

Chile 78.7
8

Mauritius 76.5
9

Denmark 76.1
10

United States 76.0
11

Ireland 75.7
12

Bahrain 75.5
13

Estonia 75.3
14

United Kingdom 74.8
15

Luxembourg 74.2
16

Finland 74.0
17

The Netherlands 73.5
18

Sweden 72.9
19

Germany 72.8


You're just a childish ***** that won't admit to being wrong.

You're stupid, too.

Tell us more about how socialist these Scandi Countries are......

Moron

I haven't been wrong about anything, you are fighting with the other guy, so do so.

FYI, this works for me: Economy of Sweden - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Fair enough. It seemed as though you were taking sides.

When you take sides, expect some collateral damage.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Here, look at how socialist your precious Denmark is --

Country Rankings World Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

rank country overall change rank country overall change
6 Canada 79.1 -1.1
7 Chile 78.5 -0.2
8 Estonia 76.8 +0.9
9 Ireland 76.6 +0.4
10 Mauritius 76.4 -0.1
11 Denmark 76.3 +0.2
12 United States 76.2 +0.7

You people are freaking morons.

Yes, I posted that link. I would imagine he was thinking more of the neighbors? I prefer Sweden, a mixed-economy, myself.

Sweden is ranked higher than Germany or Japan --

List of countries by economic freedom - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Rank Country Score
1

Hong Kong 90.1
2

Singapore 89.4
3

Australia 82.0
4

New Zealand 81.4
5

Switzerland 81.0
6

Canada 80.2
7

Chile 78.7
8

Mauritius 76.5
9

Denmark 76.1
10

United States 76.0
11

Ireland 75.7
12

Bahrain 75.5
13

Estonia 75.3
14

United Kingdom 74.8
15

Luxembourg 74.2
16

Finland 74.0
17

The Netherlands 73.5
18

Sweden 72.9
19

Germany 72.8


You're just a childish ***** that won't admit to being wrong.

You're stupid, too.

Tell us more about how socialist these Scandi Countries are......

Moron

Denmark:

Denmark, social policy in areas like health care, child care, education and protecting the unemployed are part of a “solidarity system” that makes sure that almost no one falls into economic despair. Danes pay very high taxes, but in return enjoy a quality of life that many Americans would find hard to believe. As the ambassador mentioned, while it is difficult to become very rich in Denmark no one is allowed to be poor. The minimum wage in Denmark is about twice that of the United States and people who are totally out of the labor market or unable to care for themselves have a basic income guarantee of about $100 per day.

Health care in Denmark is universal, free of charge and high quality. Everybody is covered as a right of citizenship. The Danish health care system is popular, with patient satisfaction much higher than in our country. In Denmark, every citizen can choose a doctor in their area. Prescription drugs are inexpensive and free for those under 18 years of age. Interestingly, despite their universal coverage, the Danish health care system is far more cost-effective than ours. They spend about 11 percent of their GDP on health care. We spend almost 18 percent.

When it comes to raising families, Danes understand that the first few years of a person’s life are the most important in terms of intellectual and emotional development. In order to give strong support to expecting parents, mothers get four weeks of paid leave before giving birth. They get another 14 weeks afterward. Expecting fathers get two paid weeks off, and both parents have the right to 32 more weeks of leave during the first nine years of a child’s life. The state covers three-quarters of the cost of child care, more for lower-income workers.

At a time when college education in the United States is increasingly unaffordable and the average college graduate leaves school more than $25,000 in debt, virtually all higher education in Denmark is free. That includes not just college but graduate schools as well, including medical school.


...have conservatives now decided that those policies are in no way socialist?

What Can We Learn From Denmark - Democratic Socialists of America

 

[2aguy]

give it time......

In other words, no it isn't. Kind of shoots a big fat hole in the OP's idiocy that socialism is no different than Communism doesn't it...

It takes time for the state to destroy the people........and as the states go bankrupt and money becomes less available, then the government starts to clamp down.......you morons think if it doesn't happen over night it doesn't exist........that is because you don't read or understand history, the truth or reality......

What democratic socialist countries have evolved into Communist dictatorships?

Wow....these countries have been lucky...their welfare states have been propped up by the U.S. providing protection since the end of World War 2...so they haven't had to actually pay for their own defense...so they have been able to live the fat and happy life of small wealthy countries with generous benefits.........and when the U.S. no longer protects them and the immigrants moving into their countries create discord and crash their welfare states....then you will see them moving toward stricter government control.....it is already happening across Europe...give it another 20 years......you think the socialists in Greece that are coming into power are not going to be duplicated elsewhere in Europe...just wait.....moron.....

So your answer is 'none' after you claimed history had proven otherwise.

Fuckinay you're retarded.

Moron.....did you forget Germany, Russia, China.....and the rest history shows that countries who preach socialism and communism end up in bad places....moron....and the next ones to go will be all those wonderful welfare paradises in Europe.....moron....

 

[2aguy]

Here, look at how socialist your precious Denmark is --

Country Rankings World Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

rank country overall change rank country overall change
6 Canada 79.1 -1.1
7 Chile 78.5 -0.2
8 Estonia 76.8 +0.9
9 Ireland 76.6 +0.4
10 Mauritius 76.4 -0.1
11 Denmark 76.3 +0.2
12 United States 76.2 +0.7

You people are freaking morons.

Yes, I posted that link. I would imagine he was thinking more of the neighbors? I prefer Sweden, a mixed-economy, myself.

Sweden is ranked higher than Germany or Japan --

List of countries by economic freedom - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Rank Country Score
1

Hong Kong 90.1
2

Singapore 89.4
3

Australia 82.0
4

New Zealand 81.4
5

Switzerland 81.0
6

Canada 80.2
7

Chile 78.7
8

Mauritius 76.5
9

Denmark 76.1
10

United States 76.0
11

Ireland 75.7
12

Bahrain 75.5
13

Estonia 75.3
14

United Kingdom 74.8
15

Luxembourg 74.2
16

Finland 74.0
17

The Netherlands 73.5
18

Sweden 72.9
19

Germany 72.8


You're just a childish ***** that won't admit to being wrong.

You're stupid, too.

Tell us more about how socialist these Scandi Countries are......

Moron

Denmark:

Denmark, social policy in areas like health care, child care, education and protecting the unemployed are part of a “solidarity system” that makes sure that almost no one falls into economic despair. Danes pay very high taxes, but in return enjoy a quality of life that many Americans would find hard to believe. As the ambassador mentioned, while it is difficult to become very rich in Denmark no one is allowed to be poor. The minimum wage in Denmark is about twice that of the United States and people who are totally out of the labor market or unable to care for themselves have a basic income guarantee of about $100 per day.

Health care in Denmark is universal, free of charge and high quality. Everybody is covered as a right of citizenship. The Danish health care system is popular, with patient satisfaction much higher than in our country. In Denmark, every citizen can choose a doctor in their area. Prescription drugs are inexpensive and free for those under 18 years of age. Interestingly, despite their universal coverage, the Danish health care system is far more cost-effective than ours. They spend about 11 percent of their GDP on health care. We spend almost 18 percent.

When it comes to raising families, Danes understand that the first few years of a person’s life are the most important in terms of intellectual and emotional development. In order to give strong support to expecting parents, mothers get four weeks of paid leave before giving birth. They get another 14 weeks afterward. Expecting fathers get two paid weeks off, and both parents have the right to 32 more weeks of leave during the first nine years of a child’s life. The state covers three-quarters of the cost of child care, more for lower-income workers.

At a time when college education in the United States is increasingly unaffordable and the average college graduate leaves school more than $25,000 in debt, virtually all higher education in Denmark is free. That includes not just college but graduate schools as well, including medical school.


...have conservatives now decided that those policies are in no way socialist?

What Can We Learn From Denmark - Democratic Socialists of America

And the paradise that is Denmark...built on the United States providing their military for them which allows them the lavish social spending they do............

Denmark s Economic Problem is Fundamentally a Moral Problem - The Objective Standard

As the New York Times’s Suzanne Daley recently reported Denmark’s massive welfare state imposes “the highest marginal income-tax rates in the world” in order to subsidize “able-bodied” Danes with “no intention of taking a demeaning job.” Consequently, the nation faces massive and growing unemployment; “only 3 of Denmark’s 98 municipalities will have a majority of residents working in 2013,” compared to 59 in 2009.

You can only spend other people's money to finance people not working for so long...then you have to import foreigners to do your work...and they bring with them different values...conflict arises and the state goes bankrupt....and the soft socialism of the welfare state turns into the hard socialism of the angry and hateful............