Socialism was Based on Christianity

[jillian]

There's no such thing as free will when every choice you make has a consequence.

What total gibberish. The whole point is consequences.... You choose to do something, you choose to accept the consequences.

And a consequence is akin to a price. Paying a price is the antithesis of freedom. It's not gibberish, it's assigning literal meaning to words used, is all. If you want to talk about it, cool, but be less smug if at all possible. Then I can heart you. If not, I can't heart you and the world totally ceases to revolve and everyone from the Buddhists to the Southern Baptists stop chanting their loverly hymns and the Birds stop pooping purple & white, tbh

why do you think a freedom has no price and no responsibility? choices always have ramifications -- positive and negative. the ramifications, presumably form the basis of the choice. also, our freedoms end at the other person's nose. at least that's how i see it.

 

[California Girl]

What total gibberish. The whole point is consequences.... You choose to do something, you choose to accept the consequences.

And a consequence is akin to a price. Paying a price is the antithesis of freedom. It's not gibberish, it's assigning literal meaning to words used, is all. If you want to talk about it, cool, but be less smug if at all possible. Then I can heart you. If not, I can't heart you and the world totally ceases to revolve and everyone from the Buddhists to the Southern Baptists stop chanting their loverly hymns and the Birds stop pooping purple & white, tbh

why do you think a freedom has no price and no responsibility? choices always have ramifications -- positive and negative. the ramifications, presumably form the basis of the choice. also, our freedoms end at the other person's nose. at least that's how i see it.

You agree with me? That's not a good thing!

 

[jillian]

Well, because the price and responsibility contradicts that it was a freedom in the first place.

A man is not "free" to kill another man, because he pays a price (life in jail, death penalty, or if he gets lawyer'd up good enough, lol, "some" years in jail). Therefore, he was never "free" to kill, but he "pays" to kill.

Funny that. Ten "Commandments," command a word in direct conflict with the word free. I'm just wired to think outside of the box.

According to my interpretation of the Bible, the will is not actually "free," but it's "will to do whatever you want" and there's a signified difference to me. Words, to me, should be used and interpreted correctly.

I see where you're coming from. I disagree with you, though. I don't think freedom means unfettered ability to do whatever one wants without repercussion. For example, I am free to make a choice to steal from someone else. But if I make that choice, I will go to jail. If I view it in a religious sense, I come from a background where we don't necessarily believe everything is pre-ordained. The lack of things being pre-ordained; the ability to affect our fate is what I think is meant by free will.

It's funny, I live in a neighborhood with a huge number of Russian immigrants. They came from a horribly restrictive system and really had no idea what 'freedom' was. Many would act in the most rude and offensive ways, and use 'freedom' as an excuse for doing so. Because they lacked an understanding of freedom, it took them a while to acclimate.

maybe i'm overtalking it... but the way i see it -- you have the right to make the choice to blast your music all night long. but in return, i have the freedom to call the police and complain that you're infringing on my right to quiet enjoyment of my home.

 

[California Girl]

why do you think a freedom has no price and no responsibility? choices always have ramifications -- positive and negative. the ramifications, presumably form the basis of the choice. also, our freedoms end at the other person's nose. at least that's how i see it.

Well, because the price and responsibility contradicts that it was a freedom in the first place.

A man is not "free" to kill another man, because he pays a price (life in jail, death penalty, or if he gets lawyer'd up good enough, lol, "some" years in jail). Therefore, he was never "free" to kill, but he "pays" to kill.

Funny that. Ten "Commandments," command a word in direct conflict with the word free. I'm just wired to think outside of the box.

According to my interpretation of the Bible, the will is not actually "free," but it's "will to do whatever you want" and there's a signified difference to me. Words, to me, should be used and interpreted correctly.

You're confusing 'freedom' with 'free will', they are not the same thing.

You are free to choice for yourself whether or not you live by these commandments. See how that works?

 

[jillian]

And a consequence is akin to a price. Paying a price is the antithesis of freedom. It's not gibberish, it's assigning literal meaning to words used, is all. If you want to talk about it, cool, but be less smug if at all possible. Then I can heart you. If not, I can't heart you and the world totally ceases to revolve and everyone from the Buddhists to the Southern Baptists stop chanting their loverly hymns and the Birds stop pooping purple & white, tbh

why do you think a freedom has no price and no responsibility? choices always have ramifications -- positive and negative. the ramifications, presumably form the basis of the choice. also, our freedoms end at the other person's nose. at least that's how i see it.

You agree with me? That's not a good thing!

we are doomed.

 

[California Girl]

You're confusing 'freedom' with 'free will', they are not the same thing.

No, I'm using free as it is defined.

'free' is not 'free will'.

 

[rdean]

I've notice the comparisons between socialism/fascism/and communism and have been told that they were christian like. Some of this is true since it was the Saint-Simons of germany that were preaching a new political religion based on love and brotherhood. It sounds pretty christian so, for argument sakes, I'm going to give this one to our liberal friends that to be a christian is to believe in the ideas of socialism.

Don't we have the right to choose our own religion in this country and if socialism is something based on a religion doesn't that mean we can choose not to participate in the socialist religion?

discuss...

What is called "Christian" is this country bears little resemblance to the true Christian religion that was taught in it's birth place, which of course, is the "middle east".

If such a person existed, he probably looked more like this:

He certainly didn't look like this:

Would he be wearing a suit?

And if he looked like this, would Republicans "bow down" to him? Yea, when hell freezes over.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Hey CaliTwit......still waiting for those verses that say you can pick and choose your charity towards your fellow man........

But, we already know you can't provide them, because you ain't got a clue.