'Socialism': The GOP's Forever Bogeyman

[Lesh]

Cons cant even explain what democrat socialism is .

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

You are fully against Capitalism and private ownership.

Democratic Socialism goes against what our Founding Fathers wanted.

I read it and it doesn't say what you think it says. In fact just the opposite

But YOU failed to read the following:

Unregulated capitalism is a nightmare. Read some Dickens or look at the sweat shops and child labor of the late 19th century-early 20th Century.

what we HAVE...and what we require is regulated capitalism...and that by definition is "socialism"

The only REAL question is how MUCH socialism do we require.

Let's at least understand the terms and be honest about them.

Can you do that?

Why are you lying?

It States Democratic Socialists are against Capitalism and Privately Owned Businesses, so which one of us is being dishonest?

It is you!

So because you want to redefine the term is you being dishonest as usual!

Please post quotes of that

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Who wants to get rid of American socialism for pure capitalism?

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

I do....Move your dead ass to Cuba, commie moonbat.

Okay, let's look at a country that did exactly that.

In order to take over a country using just Capitalistic natures, the first thing you have to do is to get rid of the Government and get your people in it's place. You start out by taking over 61% of the Legislation. Then you need to disband the Supreme Court or have replace at least the majority with Capitalists. Okay, now you've done that. Let's move on to the next phase.

Now you need to get all the elites who are also Capitalists to agree on a leader. That's pretty easy to do since you now control all the methods of "Election". You have have an election where both candidates are Capitalists hand picked. You con the public into believing that they had a say into it. The person that the Elites had already picked with "Win" the election by a very close margin to give the public the idea that their votes actually meant anything. Now the next phase.

Okay, you got your leader in place now. First thing he does is to abolish (as in arrest) the Supreme Court the second they show any resistance by using the Capitalist controlled congress to write new laws that allows him to do this. Next, the Leader starts to systematically replace the other 39% of the congress with his own people until he controls all of congress.

On to the next phase. The Capitalists or Corporations then go on to systematically take it all or most of everything. What's to stop them? The price of Bread is out of site. Fuel is out of site. Housing is out of site. Life for everyone not an elite becomes a living hell. Oh, and if anyone complains, they conveniently have trumped up charges against them leveled and sent to prison not be heard of again or they just disappear quietly. If this phase sounds familiar to you what happens then Socialism goes arry, that's because when either Socialism or Capitalism gets out of control, it ends up exactly the same place with a Dictator or a Monarchy.

On the Capitalist out of control side of things, this is what brought Mussolini to power and he even gave it a name, Fascism. Hitler learned almost everything he knew from Mussolini. Both started out as capitalists out of control. Stalin and Lenin took Communism to the Extreme and ended up in exactly the same place. The last chapter of all of them were identical and Mussolini could have authored all three outcomes.

The only Fascist Government that broke away and continued was Franco from Spain. He had enough smarts to know when to not go too far. And he cut deals with Mussolini and Hitler for support to defeat the Socialist Government that was completely out of control before 1936. Franco understood to leave the Catholic Church alone while the Socialist were systematically trying to destroy it. Franco understood that it was the Elites that really determined who would have and continue to have real power. He also understood that the common person could only stand so much misery before the rebelled. Hitler also understood this. Mussolini did not and look which one survived to die of old age and which one ended up being shot, drug, and hung upside down from a Lanyard. On the other side of the coin, Stalin also understood just how far to take things before the common person would rebel in force.

In the end, all but Franco completely took over everything and had to be replaced. The two really bad Fascists ran both countries into the ground. Meanwhile, even Stalin had to answer to the Elites somewhat but he wasn't afraid to have them "Disappear". A Fascist would never to that. A Fascist IS an Elite.

Everyone keeps looking at the outcomes rather than how they came to be. Socialism by itself leads to chaos, war, death and destruction. The same goes for unchecked Capitalism. One just comes from a different direction than the other but the outcome is always the same. You need both. One to make the money and the other to protect against the Fascist takeover that comes from the unregulated greed that comes from it. Yes, Capitalism is a good thing as long as you have Social Programs to guide it so that the masses will be able to live. Franco understood this. Mussolini did not.

Hegelian horse shit.....Real freedom doesn't need your or anyone else's votes or permission.

No, and neither does a military takeover.

 

[Lesh]

Bear in mind that wiki is self edited...so it is hardly the best definition.

But the link mentioned did say this

Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production,[1]with an emphasis on self-management and democratic management of economic institutions within a market or some form of decentralized planned socialist economy.[2]

A partnership between capitalism and socialism

Which we essentially already have

 

[Oddball]

Dude,face it, you don't know what socialism is.

Here's the definition

Definition of socialism. 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the meansof production and distribution of goods.

Kindly explain what you think I get wrong.

Clearly we have private ownership of the means of production.

This, after you have repeatedly posted a list of all the things you claim to be "socialism", only to then later claim that Murica isn't socialist.

Do you even listen to yourself?

 

[deanrd]

I think for Republicans, socialism is the new gay.

Don’t get me wrong, they still hate gays, but socialism is an easier sell to frighten the American people these days than those scary gays who are recruiting your children.

If Republicans don’t have something to scare people into voting for them, then they have nothing at all.

They make it a binary choice. Who would you vote for, Democrats who want to do this or that or us who are already a known quantity.

Considering what Republicans have done so far, I would say ask Donald Trump’s question, what do you have to lose?

Could democrats really be any worse than screwing over your entire life, ending your health care, sending your jobs overseas, ruining your kids lives with no education and destroying the environment?

 

[Lesh]

And if you don't like Democratic Socialism I suspect you shouldn't vote for Sanders because that's where he is at.

I personally find him too far on the socialist side of the socialist/capitalist scale...at least in his rhetoric...but hey...that's me

 

[Tehon]

Dude,face it, you don't know what socialism is.

Here's the definition

Definition of socialism. 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the meansof production and distribution of goods.

Kindly explain what you think I get wrong.

Clearly we have private ownership of the means of production.

The capitalist system of production is organized around capital and private ownership.

Regulating it doesn't alter this arrangement. It is still capitalism.

 

[Blues Man]

Cons cant even explain what democrat socialism is .

And you don't know the definition of socialism

 

[Lesh]

Dude,face it, you don't know what socialism is.

Here's the definition

Definition of socialism. 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the meansof production and distribution of goods.

Kindly explain what you think I get wrong.

Clearly we have private ownership of the means of production.

This, after you have repeatedly posted a list of all the things you claim to be "socialism", only to then later claim that Murica isn't socialist.

Do you even listen to yourself?

Do you doubt that we have a socialist/capitalist system?

How do you account for "all those things" then. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, etc?

 

[Lesh]

Cons cant even explain what democrat socialism is .

And you don't know the definition of socialism

Post it then

 

[Blues Man]

Cons cant even explain what democrat socialism is .

And you don't know the definition of socialism

Post it then

Are you still talking to me you lying sack of shit?

 

[Oddball]

Dude,face it, you don't know what socialism is.

Here's the definition

Definition of socialism. 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the meansof production and distribution of goods.

Kindly explain what you think I get wrong.

Clearly we have private ownership of the means of production.

This, after you have repeatedly posted a list of all the things you claim to be "socialism", only to then later claim that Murica isn't socialist.

Do you even listen to yourself?

Do you doubt that we have a socialist/capitalist system?

How do you account for "all those things" then. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, etc?

Y'know, you really are too stoopit for your own good....Now go take your meds.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Dude,face it, you don't know what socialism is.

Here's the definition

Definition of socialism. 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the meansof production and distribution of goods.

Kindly explain what you think I get wrong.

Clearly we have private ownership of the means of production.

The capitalist system of production is organized around capital and private ownership.

Regulating it doesn't alter this arrangement. It is still capitalism.

No it doesn't. And regulating for the good of the common person's good is part of socialism. Again, one without the other means chaos. Can you imagine trade wars being decided between Pratt and Whitney and GE by each one raising an army and attacking each other and only the survivor stays in business? Yes, that sounds absurd but it's not like it hasn't happened in other businesses in the past. Enter the regulartory nature of Socialism that the Government (the largest customer of both) ensures that both can exist.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Who wants to get rid of American socialism for pure capitalism?

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

I do....Move your dead ass to Cuba, commie moonbat.

Okay, let's look at a country that did exactly that.

In order to take over a country using just Capitalistic natures, the first thing you have to do is to get rid of the Government and get your people in it's place. You start out by taking over 61% of the Legislation. Then you need to disband the Supreme Court or have replace at least the majority with Capitalists. Okay, now you've done that. Let's move on to the next phase.

Now you need to get all the elites who are also Capitalists to agree on a leader. That's pretty easy to do since you now control all the methods of "Election". You have have an election where both candidates are Capitalists hand picked. You con the public into believing that they had a say into it. The person that the Elites had already picked with "Win" the election by a very close margin to give the public the idea that their votes actually meant anything. Now the next phase.

Okay, you got your leader in place now. First thing he does is to abolish (as in arrest) the Supreme Court the second they show any resistance by using the Capitalist controlled congress to write new laws that allows him to do this. Next, the Leader starts to systematically replace the other 39% of the congress with his own people until he controls all of congress.

On to the next phase. The Capitalists or Corporations then go on to systematically take it all or most of everything. What's to stop them? The price of Bread is out of site. Fuel is out of site. Housing is out of site. Life for everyone not an elite becomes a living hell. Oh, and if anyone complains, they conveniently have trumped up charges against them leveled and sent to prison not be heard of again or they just disappear quietly. If this phase sounds familiar to you what happens then Socialism goes arry, that's because when either Socialism or Capitalism gets out of control, it ends up exactly the same place with a Dictator or a Monarchy.

On the Capitalist out of control side of things, this is what brought Mussolini to power and he even gave it a name, Fascism. Hitler learned almost everything he knew from Mussolini. Both started out as capitalists out of control. Stalin and Lenin took Communism to the Extreme and ended up in exactly the same place. The last chapter of all of them were identical and Mussolini could have authored all three outcomes.

The only Fascist Government that broke away and continued was Franco from Spain. He had enough smarts to know when to not go too far. And he cut deals with Mussolini and Hitler for support to defeat the Socialist Government that was completely out of control before 1936. Franco understood to leave the Catholic Church alone while the Socialist were systematically trying to destroy it. Franco understood that it was the Elites that really determined who would have and continue to have real power. He also understood that the common person could only stand so much misery before the rebelled. Hitler also understood this. Mussolini did not and look which one survived to die of old age and which one ended up being shot, drug, and hung upside down from a Lanyard. On the other side of the coin, Stalin also understood just how far to take things before the common person would rebel in force.

In the end, all but Franco completely took over everything and had to be replaced. The two really bad Fascists ran both countries into the ground. Meanwhile, even Stalin had to answer to the Elites somewhat but he wasn't afraid to have them "Disappear". A Fascist would never to that. A Fascist IS an Elite.

Everyone keeps looking at the outcomes rather than how they came to be. Socialism by itself leads to chaos, war, death and destruction. The same goes for unchecked Capitalism. One just comes from a different direction than the other but the outcome is always the same. You need both. One to make the money and the other to protect against the Fascist takeover that comes from the unregulated greed that comes from it. Yes, Capitalism is a good thing as long as you have Social Programs to guide it so that the masses will be able to live. Franco understood this. Mussolini did not.

But yet it's the socialist/communist govts that oversaw the murder of hundreds of millions. Do you not see the folly of your own words?

 

[BS Filter]

When I worked I had health insurance through my jobs. No problems. Been on Medicare 5 years and it's a damn nightmare.

Where would you be without it?

That's right. With NOTHING

If the politicians kept their filthy hands out of my money, I'd have what was promised for me.

Promised to you by who?

Mommy?

Democrats. Lying Democrat filth.

 

[Lesh]

Forbes says that even Sanders isn't talking about Socialism

Whatever The Heck Bernie Sanders Is Talking About It's Not Socialism

 

[Lesh]

Who wants to get rid of American socialism for pure capitalism?

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

I do....Move your dead ass to Cuba, commie moonbat.

Okay, let's look at a country that did exactly that.

In order to take over a country using just Capitalistic natures, the first thing you have to do is to get rid of the Government and get your people in it's place. You start out by taking over 61% of the Legislation. Then you need to disband the Supreme Court or have replace at least the majority with Capitalists. Okay, now you've done that. Let's move on to the next phase.

Now you need to get all the elites who are also Capitalists to agree on a leader. That's pretty easy to do since you now control all the methods of "Election". You have have an election where both candidates are Capitalists hand picked. You con the public into believing that they had a say into it. The person that the Elites had already picked with "Win" the election by a very close margin to give the public the idea that their votes actually meant anything. Now the next phase.

Okay, you got your leader in place now. First thing he does is to abolish (as in arrest) the Supreme Court the second they show any resistance by using the Capitalist controlled congress to write new laws that allows him to do this. Next, the Leader starts to systematically replace the other 39% of the congress with his own people until he controls all of congress.

On to the next phase. The Capitalists or Corporations then go on to systematically take it all or most of everything. What's to stop them? The price of Bread is out of site. Fuel is out of site. Housing is out of site. Life for everyone not an elite becomes a living hell. Oh, and if anyone complains, they conveniently have trumped up charges against them leveled and sent to prison not be heard of again or they just disappear quietly. If this phase sounds familiar to you what happens then Socialism goes arry, that's because when either Socialism or Capitalism gets out of control, it ends up exactly the same place with a Dictator or a Monarchy.

On the Capitalist out of control side of things, this is what brought Mussolini to power and he even gave it a name, Fascism. Hitler learned almost everything he knew from Mussolini. Both started out as capitalists out of control. Stalin and Lenin took Communism to the Extreme and ended up in exactly the same place. The last chapter of all of them were identical and Mussolini could have authored all three outcomes.

The only Fascist Government that broke away and continued was Franco from Spain. He had enough smarts to know when to not go too far. And he cut deals with Mussolini and Hitler for support to defeat the Socialist Government that was completely out of control before 1936. Franco understood to leave the Catholic Church alone while the Socialist were systematically trying to destroy it. Franco understood that it was the Elites that really determined who would have and continue to have real power. He also understood that the common person could only stand so much misery before the rebelled. Hitler also understood this. Mussolini did not and look which one survived to die of old age and which one ended up being shot, drug, and hung upside down from a Lanyard. On the other side of the coin, Stalin also understood just how far to take things before the common person would rebel in force.

In the end, all but Franco completely took over everything and had to be replaced. The two really bad Fascists ran both countries into the ground. Meanwhile, even Stalin had to answer to the Elites somewhat but he wasn't afraid to have them "Disappear". A Fascist would never to that. A Fascist IS an Elite.

Everyone keeps looking at the outcomes rather than how they came to be. Socialism by itself leads to chaos, war, death and destruction. The same goes for unchecked Capitalism. One just comes from a different direction than the other but the outcome is always the same. You need both. One to make the money and the other to protect against the Fascist takeover that comes from the unregulated greed that comes from it. Yes, Capitalism is a good thing as long as you have Social Programs to guide it so that the masses will be able to live. Franco understood this. Mussolini did not.

But yet it's the socialist/communist govts that oversaw the murder of hundreds of millions. Do you not see the folly of your own words?

Actually you're talking about authoritarian dictatorships

Sweden never did any of those things

 

[Oddball]

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Who wants to get rid of American socialism for pure capitalism?

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

I do....Move your dead ass to Cuba, commie moonbat.

Okay, let's look at a country that did exactly that.

In order to take over a country using just Capitalistic natures, the first thing you have to do is to get rid of the Government and get your people in it's place. You start out by taking over 61% of the Legislation. Then you need to disband the Supreme Court or have replace at least the majority with Capitalists. Okay, now you've done that. Let's move on to the next phase.

Now you need to get all the elites who are also Capitalists to agree on a leader. That's pretty easy to do since you now control all the methods of "Election". You have have an election where both candidates are Capitalists hand picked. You con the public into believing that they had a say into it. The person that the Elites had already picked with "Win" the election by a very close margin to give the public the idea that their votes actually meant anything. Now the next phase.

Okay, you got your leader in place now. First thing he does is to abolish (as in arrest) the Supreme Court the second they show any resistance by using the Capitalist controlled congress to write new laws that allows him to do this. Next, the Leader starts to systematically replace the other 39% of the congress with his own people until he controls all of congress.

On to the next phase. The Capitalists or Corporations then go on to systematically take it all or most of everything. What's to stop them? The price of Bread is out of site. Fuel is out of site. Housing is out of site. Life for everyone not an elite becomes a living hell. Oh, and if anyone complains, they conveniently have trumped up charges against them leveled and sent to prison not be heard of again or they just disappear quietly. If this phase sounds familiar to you what happens then Socialism goes arry, that's because when either Socialism or Capitalism gets out of control, it ends up exactly the same place with a Dictator or a Monarchy.

On the Capitalist out of control side of things, this is what brought Mussolini to power and he even gave it a name, Fascism. Hitler learned almost everything he knew from Mussolini. Both started out as capitalists out of control. Stalin and Lenin took Communism to the Extreme and ended up in exactly the same place. The last chapter of all of them were identical and Mussolini could have authored all three outcomes.

The only Fascist Government that broke away and continued was Franco from Spain. He had enough smarts to know when to not go too far. And he cut deals with Mussolini and Hitler for support to defeat the Socialist Government that was completely out of control before 1936. Franco understood to leave the Catholic Church alone while the Socialist were systematically trying to destroy it. Franco understood that it was the Elites that really determined who would have and continue to have real power. He also understood that the common person could only stand so much misery before the rebelled. Hitler also understood this. Mussolini did not and look which one survived to die of old age and which one ended up being shot, drug, and hung upside down from a Lanyard. On the other side of the coin, Stalin also understood just how far to take things before the common person would rebel in force.

In the end, all but Franco completely took over everything and had to be replaced. The two really bad Fascists ran both countries into the ground. Meanwhile, even Stalin had to answer to the Elites somewhat but he wasn't afraid to have them "Disappear". A Fascist would never to that. A Fascist IS an Elite.

Everyone keeps looking at the outcomes rather than how they came to be. Socialism by itself leads to chaos, war, death and destruction. The same goes for unchecked Capitalism. One just comes from a different direction than the other but the outcome is always the same. You need both. One to make the money and the other to protect against the Fascist takeover that comes from the unregulated greed that comes from it. Yes, Capitalism is a good thing as long as you have Social Programs to guide it so that the masses will be able to live. Franco understood this. Mussolini did not.

But yet it's the socialist/communist govts that oversaw the murder of hundreds of millions. Do you not see the folly of your own words?

And the Fascist Capitalist Governments that brought us WWII with hundreds of millions of deaths. Do you ever wonder why they both hated each other equally?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Who wants to get rid of American socialism for pure capitalism?

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

I do....Move your dead ass to Cuba, commie moonbat.

Okay, let's look at a country that did exactly that.

In order to take over a country using just Capitalistic natures, the first thing you have to do is to get rid of the Government and get your people in it's place. You start out by taking over 61% of the Legislation. Then you need to disband the Supreme Court or have replace at least the majority with Capitalists. Okay, now you've done that. Let's move on to the next phase.

Now you need to get all the elites who are also Capitalists to agree on a leader. That's pretty easy to do since you now control all the methods of "Election". You have have an election where both candidates are Capitalists hand picked. You con the public into believing that they had a say into it. The person that the Elites had already picked with "Win" the election by a very close margin to give the public the idea that their votes actually meant anything. Now the next phase.

Okay, you got your leader in place now. First thing he does is to abolish (as in arrest) the Supreme Court the second they show any resistance by using the Capitalist controlled congress to write new laws that allows him to do this. Next, the Leader starts to systematically replace the other 39% of the congress with his own people until he controls all of congress.

On to the next phase. The Capitalists or Corporations then go on to systematically take it all or most of everything. What's to stop them? The price of Bread is out of site. Fuel is out of site. Housing is out of site. Life for everyone not an elite becomes a living hell. Oh, and if anyone complains, they conveniently have trumped up charges against them leveled and sent to prison not be heard of again or they just disappear quietly. If this phase sounds familiar to you what happens then Socialism goes arry, that's because when either Socialism or Capitalism gets out of control, it ends up exactly the same place with a Dictator or a Monarchy.

On the Capitalist out of control side of things, this is what brought Mussolini to power and he even gave it a name, Fascism. Hitler learned almost everything he knew from Mussolini. Both started out as capitalists out of control. Stalin and Lenin took Communism to the Extreme and ended up in exactly the same place. The last chapter of all of them were identical and Mussolini could have authored all three outcomes.

The only Fascist Government that broke away and continued was Franco from Spain. He had enough smarts to know when to not go too far. And he cut deals with Mussolini and Hitler for support to defeat the Socialist Government that was completely out of control before 1936. Franco understood to leave the Catholic Church alone while the Socialist were systematically trying to destroy it. Franco understood that it was the Elites that really determined who would have and continue to have real power. He also understood that the common person could only stand so much misery before the rebelled. Hitler also understood this. Mussolini did not and look which one survived to die of old age and which one ended up being shot, drug, and hung upside down from a Lanyard. On the other side of the coin, Stalin also understood just how far to take things before the common person would rebel in force.

In the end, all but Franco completely took over everything and had to be replaced. The two really bad Fascists ran both countries into the ground. Meanwhile, even Stalin had to answer to the Elites somewhat but he wasn't afraid to have them "Disappear". A Fascist would never to that. A Fascist IS an Elite.

Everyone keeps looking at the outcomes rather than how they came to be. Socialism by itself leads to chaos, war, death and destruction. The same goes for unchecked Capitalism. One just comes from a different direction than the other but the outcome is always the same. You need both. One to make the money and the other to protect against the Fascist takeover that comes from the unregulated greed that comes from it. Yes, Capitalism is a good thing as long as you have Social Programs to guide it so that the masses will be able to live. Franco understood this. Mussolini did not.

But yet it's the socialist/communist govts that oversaw the murder of hundreds of millions. Do you not see the folly of your own words?

Actually you're talking about authoritarian dictatorships

Sweden never did any of those things

The state of sweden takes the majority and offers minimal services. Yes, sweden is heading towards that same path .