"Socialism" Isn't the big bad boogie word Republicans want it to be any more

[Deadstick]

You’re talking about a specific social program, I’m talking about socialism as a political system.

I am talking about the NHS, what policy does socialism have that has you terrified?

 

[Failzero]

I am talking about the NHS, what policy does socialism have that has you terrified?

Gungrabbing for starters

 

[Deadstick]

Gungrabbing for starters

That isn't socialism it's just Government overreach, i was a gun owner at the time and the Conservative Government were the first to start the ball rolling for a gun ban, i along with a good friend were shooters i had more than one gun a Bwowning 9mm high power and a Colt Python 357 among others, we did practical pistol shooting at the time in those days we imported ammo loading gear direct from the US, we had to give them up because of two major incidents, some maniac shot 16 people dead in Hungerford including his own Mother ,and later another killed several kids and a teacher in Dunblane Scotland, both were legal Gun owners, however the Hungerford maniac had some illegal weapons including a AK 47 assault rifle, at the time we had a police officer in our gun club i asked him if i had taken this lunatic down with one of my guns what would have happened? he said initially i would have been arrested and possibly tried for murder, but i couldn't see anyone coming back with a guilty verdict, but the gun ban was a over reaction i believe, we had very strict gun laws with regular checks by the police, the only gun i have now for pest control is a 22 air pistol.

 

[Hafar1014]

Such an operation costs between £10 and 15k in the UK private, that is up to about $26k Dollars lets hope you don't need two, the people laughing all the way to the bank are the insurance Companies who in many cases find small print clauses not to pay out.

Americas healthcare is light years ahead of the NHS

 

[Deadstick]

Americas healthcare is light years ahead of the NHS

If you can pay thousands, if not tough titi.

 

[Hafar1014]

If you can pay thousands, if not tough titi.

You pay more and get less.

 

[Deadstick]

You pay more and get less.

I paid a National insurance stamp which would be a damn sight cheaper than paying some private insurance Company criminal.

 

[Hafar1014]

I paid a National insurance stamp which would be a damn sight cheaper than paying some private insurance Company criminal.

You pay higher taxes a VAT tax and have a lower standard of living and for that you get inferior health care. I know both systems well. You have no mental health for children you pay for that yourself

 

[Deadstick]

You pay higher taxes a VAT tax and have a lower standard of living and for that you get inferior health care. I know both systems well. You have no mental health for children you pay for that yourself

We are back to what i said from the start, taxes pay for these things, if you want very low to no tax don't whine when services are rat shit, they can always go and live in Dubai like some claim they have where they don't pay personal income tax if they don't mind living under Sharia law.

 

[Hafar1014]

We are back to what i said from the start, taxes pay for these things, if you want very low to no tax don't whine when services are rat shit, they can always go and live in Dubai like some claim they have where they don't pay personal income tax if they don't mind living under Sharia law.

You pay more and get less thats just plain stupid

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

I am talking about the NHS, what policy does socialism have that has you terrified?

Too much government.

 

[dudmuck]

Americas healthcare is light years ahead of the NHS

Mirror, Mirror 2024: A Portrait of the Failing U.S. Health System

Analyze the 2024 "Mirror, Mirror" report to understand global health system performance and insights for improving health care quality and access.

www.commonwealthfund.org

you are delusional

 

[Hafar1014]

Mirror, Mirror 2024: A Portrait of the Failing U.S. Health System

Analyze the 2024 "Mirror, Mirror" report to understand global health system performance and insights for improving health care quality and access.

www.commonwealthfund.org

you are delusional

The term "NHS collapse" refers to the UK's National Health Service facing a severe, arguably unprecedented, crisis due to staffing shortages, underfunding, massive waiting lists, strikes, and increased demand from an aging population, leading to a breakdown in service, with warnings from health officials that it may already be collapsing or is on the brink, despite core public support for its principles. Key issues include post-pandemic backlogs, inflation eroding budgets, and a shortage of foreign staff, impacting quality of care and leading to demoralization

NHS 'in deep crisis', says doctors' leader

BMA council chair Tom Dolphin addresses the association's special representative meeting in which he tackles the challenges raised by the Government's ten-year plan

www.bma.org.uk

The whole nation knows that the health service is in deep crisis. The family doctor is harder than ever to see. Waits for hospital appointments are too often measured in years, not days and weeks. Each year tens of thousands of people wait more than 24 hours to be admitted to hospital from the emergency department.

Public health has been broken by restructure and neglect, with no attempt to revive it despite the pandemic exposing how fragile our nation’s health has become. Despite understaffing across the NHS, we are facing the absurd spectacle of doctors out of work.

Hospital doctors, GPs, medical academics and public health doctors are all facing unemployment or training bottlenecks, jeopardising the futures of talented and dedicated doctors. The social contract between the medical profession and society has been broken. Each of these issues is contributing to the sense today that the NHS is far removed from what it once was, and far removed from what it should be.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/press-releases/startling-collapse-nhs-satisfaction-pandemic

The British public are deeply unhappy with the National Health Service – just 1 in 5 people (21%) in 2024 said they were satisfied with the way the NHS runs. That’s according to analysis of the latest British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published today by the Nuffield Trust and The King’s Fund. Satisfaction has plummeted by 39 percentage points since the months before the pandemic.

6 in 10 people (59%) said they were ‘very’ or ‘quite’ dissatisfied with the NHS in 2024, a sharp rise from 52% in 2023. This is the highest level of dissatisfaction with the health service since the survey began in 1983. The survey, carried out by the National Centre for Social Research (NatCen) in September and October 2024, is seen as a gold-standard measure of public attitudes in Britain.

The Nuffield Trust and The King’s Fund say that just 12% of people were satisfied with A&E waiting times and 23% with GP waiting times. People are unhappy about waiting times even if they are satisfied with the NHS overall, regardless of age, political affiliation or nation.

 

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[Ringo]

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Real capitalism was tried many times

 

[sparky]

Real capitalism was tried many times

Haiti is no example Ringo.......~S~

 

[Ringo]

Haiti is no example Ringo.......~S~

Bangladesh would be O.K. as a samole?
Or maybe US?

 

[Deadstick]

Too much government.

So you are ok with anarchy?

 

[Ringo]

Too much government.

What, are you living in 19th century? You CAN'T have small government anymore, forget it.

 

[Deadstick]

The term "NHS collapse" refers to the UK's National Health Service facing a severe, arguably unprecedented, crisis due to staffing shortages, underfunding, massive waiting lists, strikes, and increased demand from an aging population, leading to a breakdown in service, with warnings from health officials that it may already be collapsing or is on the brink, despite core public support for its principles. Key issues include post-pandemic backlogs, inflation eroding budgets, and a shortage of foreign staff, impacting quality of care and leading to demoralization

NHS 'in deep crisis', says doctors' leader

BMA council chair Tom Dolphin addresses the association's special representative meeting in which he tackles the challenges raised by the Government's ten-year plan

www.bma.org.uk

The whole nation knows that the health service is in deep crisis. The family doctor is harder than ever to see. Waits for hospital appointments are too often measured in years, not days and weeks. Each year tens of thousands of people wait more than 24 hours to be admitted to hospital from the emergency department.

Public health has been broken by restructure and neglect, with no attempt to revive it despite the pandemic exposing how fragile our nation’s health has become. Despite understaffing across the NHS, we are facing the absurd spectacle of doctors out of work.

Hospital doctors, GPs, medical academics and public health doctors are all facing unemployment or training bottlenecks, jeopardising the futures of talented and dedicated doctors. The social contract between the medical profession and society has been broken. Each of these issues is contributing to the sense today that the NHS is far removed from what it once was, and far removed from what it should be.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/press-releases/startling-collapse-nhs-satisfaction-pandemic

The British public are deeply unhappy with the National Health Service – just 1 in 5 people (21%) in 2024 said they were satisfied with the way the NHS runs. That’s according to analysis of the latest British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published today by the Nuffield Trust and The King’s Fund. Satisfaction has plummeted by 39 percentage points since the months before the pandemic.

6 in 10 people (59%) said they were ‘very’ or ‘quite’ dissatisfied with the NHS in 2024, a sharp rise from 52% in 2023. This is the highest level of dissatisfaction with the health service since the survey began in 1983. The survey, carried out by the National Centre for Social Research (NatCen) in September and October 2024, is seen as a gold-standard measure of public attitudes in Britain.

The Nuffield Trust and The King’s Fund say that just 12% of people were satisfied with A&E waiting times and 23% with GP waiting times. People are unhappy about waiting times even if they are satisfied with the NHS overall, regardless of age, political affiliation or nation.

Much of that is correct, but what you don't say is who is responsible, i will tell you who, several Governments who have attacked the NHS over the years, mainly the Conservatives who have never believed in the NHS.