Socialism is GOOD for EVERYONE!

[alupka]

The Soviet Union wasn't a socialist state. Hell, it wasn't even a communist state. It was a totalitarian regime. And if you think it did redistribute the wealth are you telling me that Stalin had a dacha on the Black Sea, then so did the dude who swept Red Square? Don't think so...

No, I'm saying they convinced their people that they "would" redistribute the wealth. That's the whole point.

 

[alupka]

actually, our tax system has always taxed wealthy people at slightly higher rates than people who earn less.

and i'd say you need to go a far way to pretend that a regressive tax system is somehow socialist.

that's pretend stuff...

Everything that Obama is talking about is "spreading the wealth" and "economic justice" and how he's going to radically change America.

"Change We Need"

Are you saying that he's not being sincere? That he really wants to just keep doing everything the same as before?

 

[alupka]

The truth is that socialism will happen but it will be gradually, not through a series of acts of violence but gradually as capitalism begins to fail again but more importantly as humanity around the world realises that the environment can't sustain capitalism and that a less rapacious form of making life comfortable for humans and other animals is not only desirable but necessary.

Right...it was "socialism" that transformed America into an economic superpower.

 

[alupka]

Behold the sad result of socialism and universal healthcare...

I could show similar pictures of the Chinese girls here. I guess that makes China a model country!

 

[jillian]

Right...it was "socialism" that transformed America into an economic superpower.

and how many years of trickle down, voodoo economics to destroy that economy and leave the chinese holding our debt?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

and how many years of trickle down, voodoo economics to destroy that economy and leave the chinese holding our debt?

Ya cause Frank, Dodd and the rest of the democrats had nothing to do with the collapse. Can we say Party Hack?

 

[jillian]

Ya cause Frank, Dodd and the rest of the democrats had nothing to do with the collapse. Can we say Party Hack?

you sound ridiculous. dems haven't controlled the budget in 8 years.

are you so vapid that you think that a one vote majority in the senate (with lieberman, who isn't a dem, being the vote) does anything?

 

[Chris]

I could show similar pictures of the Chinese girls here. I guess that makes China a model country!

China is not socialist, it is capitalist and communist.

Besides, Obama doesn't want to make America socialist.

The only people who believe that are low information voters.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

you sound ridiculous. dems haven't controlled the budget in 8 years.

are you so vapid that you think that a one vote majority in the senate (with lieberman, who isn't a dem, being the vote) does anything?

Sure thing, once again ignore the facts, keep up the party lies. you do it so well, MAYBE you really are a scumbag lawyer after all?

 

[Chris]

Sure thing, once again ignore the facts, keep up the party lies. you do it so well, MAYBE you really are a scumbag lawyer after all?

Try making a single post without a personal insult.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Try making a single post without a personal insult.

I try but you retards make it too easy. Ohh and I schooled DavidS on two points with nary an insult and the result? He attacked me and can not admit he is wrong. I think I will stick to calling liars liars and idiots idiots. But thanks for the advice Moron.

 

[Chris]

I try but you retards make it too easy. Ohh and I schooled DavidS on two points with nary an insult and the result? He attacked me and can not admit he is wrong. I think I will stick to calling liars liars and idiots idiots. But thanks for the advice Moron.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[alupka]

and how many years of trickle down, voodoo economics to destroy that economy and leave the chinese holding our debt?

I agree completely. That trickle down crap doesn't work. The corporate execs just take home more money.

I don't think we should be taking money from small business owners (250,000 is an extremely bar) and giving it to everyone. But I also don't think we should be collecting taxes from everyone and subsidizing big corporations.

I would be happy with something in the middle...I just want it to be fair. I don't think there is anything immoral about working hard to achieve great success and wealth, as long as it's done legally and ethically. But we seem to be moving away from that idea.

 

[editec]

Right...it was "socialism" that transformed America into an economic superpower.

Depends on what you're defining as socialism, doesn't it?

Universal free education certains sounds like socialism to me.

You think that didn't help make American great?

How about a great road system? That was built by a socialist system

How about the transcontinental railroad. That was built with great help from the government. They gave private companies free land, and then they insured the bonds that those companies sold to finance building it, too.

How about having a military? Isn't that a form of socialism, too?

LOTS of things contibuted to this land becoming great and wealthy.

One of the primary things was our government imposing TARIFFS in manufactured goods coming into this nation, for example. That made it possible for Americ to industrialize.

We got rid of those protections from foreign made goods...how's the economy doing now?

 

[alupka]

you sound ridiculous. dems haven't controlled the budget in 8 years.

are you so vapid that you think that a one vote majority in the senate (with lieberman, who isn't a dem, being the vote) does anything?

The dems in Congress were the ones who were directly responsible for overseeing this and the only ones who made it impossible to fix it.

How do you get around that?

 

[Chris]

I agree completely. That trickle down crap doesn't work. The corporate execs just take home more money.

I don't think we should be taking money from small business owners (250,000 is an extremely bar) and giving it to everyone. But I also don't think we should be collecting taxes from everyone and subsidizing big corporations.

I would be happy with something in the middle...I just want it to be fair. I don't think there is anything immoral about working hard to achieve great success and wealth, as long as it's done legally and ethically. But we seem to be moving away from that idea.

All Obama is suggesting is to raise the top level of taxes to where they were when Ronald Reagan was president.

Bush's borrow and spend policies left us with a $500 billion dollar deficit.

Somebody's taxes are going to have to be raised.

 

[alupka]

China is not socialist, it is capitalist and communist.

I agree.

Besides, Obama doesn't want to make America socialist.

Obama disagrees.

The only people who believe that are low information voters.

No, the people who believe that are the people who are listening to what Barack Obama is really talking about.

The original post was about redistributing wealth. Barack Obama's position on this is VERY clear. So there's no question what his position is (unless you think he's lying about it). The question is whether it will actually work. Concerning that, you can agree or disagree.

 

[alupka]

Depends on what you're defining as socialism, doesn't it?

Universal free education certains sounds like socialism to me.

You think that didn't help make American great?

How about a great road system? That was built by a socialist system

How about the transcontinental railroad. That was built with great help from the government. They gave private companies free land, and then they insured the bonds that those companies sold to finance building it, too.

How about having a military? Isn't that a form of socialism, too?

LOTS of things contibuted to this land becoming great and wealthy.

One of the primary things was our government imposing TARIFFS in manufactured goods coming into this nation, for example. That made it possible for Americ to industrialize.

We got rid of those protections from foreign made goods...how's the economy doing now?

That's right, government certainly has a job to do. But there's no reason we can't collect taxes fairly to pay for them. What is wrong with a flat tax. Rich people will still pay the vast majority of taxes, because they make more money. But at least it will be fair.

You might reconsider your point on education though, considering our government has a monopoly on education and our schools have consistently failed for decades. The only two industrial nations that rank lower than the U.S. in basic skills assessment is Cypress and South Africa.

But I get your point. What are we calling socialism? Fine, call it whatever you want. Let's call it "economic justice." Does that change the outcome any?

 

[alupka]

All Obama is suggesting is to raise the top level of taxes to where they were when Ronald Reagan was president.

Bush's borrow and spend policies left us with a $500 billion dollar deficit.

Somebody's taxes are going to have to be raised.

Why? Why do taxes have to be raised? Why do we need more government?

American business owners are already among the most heavily taxed in the world, and I can't even buy a cold beer on Sunday.

 

[Chris]

Why? Why do taxes have to be raised? Why do we need more government?

American business owners are already among the most heavily taxed in the world, and I can't even buy a cold beer on Sunday.

Poor baby.

We need to pay off the enormous debt run up by the borrow and spend policies of Bush and Reagan.

Bush and Reagan are responsible for 90% of the National Debt.

ReaganBushDebt.org