Socialism doesn't scare them anymore

[pknopp]

They absolutely are. And they sit around and laugh at those struggling believing they actually have a shot in our fake "capitalistic" system.

Yes. No one gets wealthy and lives very well in America. Who would claim otherwise?

He just did, but he can't see it.

Wealth is being created by the socialists actions of the federal reserve.

Not true at all.

But then, you're probably one of those people who think that the only tax cut should go to those who do not pay any taxes.

Isn't that what your beef really is about? That they are giving away tax cuts to people who are actually paying the taxes?

We are giving tax cuts to those who are benefiting the most from the socialists give away programs of the Federal Reserve.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited. Millennials are embracing Socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them. Many grew up in cars or tenement slums during the great recession when GW Bush's call for "deregulation" allowed financial institutions to peddle toxic mortgage packages to anyone with a pulse, and ratings institutions such as Standard and Poor's looked the other way. As the economy crashed, and things got worse, the right wing refused to agree lend even a small a hand to the many who suffered needlessly, while the few at the top became wealthier still.

Young people, along with women and minorities watched as the economy slowly healed over the next 8 years with President Obama at the helm, and witnessed 30 million Americans who previously had little or no healthcare benefits could now see a doctor without medical bankruptcy in the back of their minds. The right wing screamed SOCIALISM! of course, but they didn't care - They now had medical coverage. They also watched Donald Trump do everything in his power to strip them and their families of that protection, while offering nothing to replace it with except - "Go see your insurance man"

Sorry Republicans - Socialism doesn't scare them anymore...

Millennials embracing socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them

Millennial interest in socialism has perfectly understandable roots reaching back to the defining catastrophe of the Great Recession.

thehill.com

We have never had "unfettered capitalism"

And these idiot millennials think they deserve a much higher pay than their skills warrant.

Let's see how they like giving the lion's share of their pay to the fucking government to pay for all the shit they think will be free

Free stuff like this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

We know how the right responds to a D potus handing out government freebies, because they shit a brick when O did it. Somehow Donnie doing it is different.

LOL.

Oh, no. It's not. I shit just as many bricks.

We need a viable 3rd-party option.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We are giving tax cuts to those who are benefiting the most from the socialists give away programs of the Federal Reserve.

The solution is to repeal the federal reserve act.

 

[gipper]

Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

And a huge reliance on the Socialist actions of the Federal Reserve.

Who benefits from these socialist actions by the government and the Fed? It sure appears that the extreme wealthy are the main beneficiaries.

They absolutely are. And they sit around and laugh at those struggling believing they actually have a shot in our fake "capitalistic" system.

Yes. Many Americans want to cling to the belief we all can make it big. Just work hard and bingo, you’re rich in America. They can’t bring themselves around to accept what their eyes are telling them. The elites love this foolish people.

Nobody believes that. People understand that capitalism is much more than working hard. It's a matter of taking your money and investing in it, thus creating your own income.

In many instances, people fail, but in the process, learn things. You can work as hard as you desire, but if you are blue collar, you'll never get rich working for somebody else. It's a well known factor.

My favorite economist, and former fill-in host on the Rush Limbaugh show, Dr. Walter E Williams said many times, that when he was teaching college, he would be asked by one or more students "Dr. Williams, what is the secrete to financial success?" To that, Williams always responded that the key to success is pleasing your fellow man.

If you make a good hamburger, you please your fellow man by a few, be it feeding your family or friends. If you take your delicious hamburger, and open your own restaurant, you will please your fellow man by the thousands. If you decide to franchise your restaurant, you will please your fellow man by the millions, and financial success grows equally.

I suspect you’re one of those under the misapprehension that our crony capitalist system (really Fascism) works for the vast majority of Americans, if only they would learn to invest and please their fellow man.

The billionaires laugh at people like you.

It only works for people that take the opportunity to be part of it. If you are going to stay at your job running a drill press, you are not participating. You are simply working for somebody that is participating.

So now if everyone would just apply their God given talents, all would be rich. LOL. WTF man.

Anyone can increase their net worth if they want to.

Yes but few ever get rich. Now with the system so stacked against most Americans, many can see the unfairness. Millions of Americans are living in or near poverty, while billionaires get sweetheart deals from Uncle.

Money is political power in our corrupt nation. The ultra rich have enormous political power. I don’t think this a good thing. Do you?

 

[pknopp]

We are giving tax cuts to those who are benefiting the most from the socialists give away programs of the Federal Reserve.

The solution is to repeal the federal reserve act.

It isn't going to happen. It's great to discuss how that would be the right thing for a country that pretends it supports capitalism should do but it is never going to happen. Since it isn't we have to deal with realities.

 

[task0778]

Those who are not scared of socialism do not understand it. Capitalism is to a large degree about choices. Your choices. Socialism is also about choices. Gov'ts choices, not yours. Poor, oppressed people do exist under both economic models, but far more of them in a socialistic state where opportunity to advance based on merit is quite rare. Not nearly so rare in a capitalistic society, in a capitalistic system there is a great deal more wealth to be had and it is spread around a great deal more than in a socialist country. Even the poor have it much better in a country like ours than they do is any socialist country. And BTW, Sweden is not a socialist country.

 

[Blues Man]

Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

And a huge reliance on the Socialist actions of the Federal Reserve.

Who benefits from these socialist actions by the government and the Fed? It sure appears that the extreme wealthy are the main beneficiaries.

They absolutely are. And they sit around and laugh at those struggling believing they actually have a shot in our fake "capitalistic" system.

Yes. Many Americans want to cling to the belief we all can make it big. Just work hard and bingo, you’re rich in America. They can’t bring themselves around to accept what their eyes are telling them. The elites love this foolish people.

Nobody believes that. People understand that capitalism is much more than working hard. It's a matter of taking your money and investing in it, thus creating your own income.

In many instances, people fail, but in the process, learn things. You can work as hard as you desire, but if you are blue collar, you'll never get rich working for somebody else. It's a well known factor.

My favorite economist, and former fill-in host on the Rush Limbaugh show, Dr. Walter E Williams said many times, that when he was teaching college, he would be asked by one or more students "Dr. Williams, what is the secrete to financial success?" To that, Williams always responded that the key to success is pleasing your fellow man.

If you make a good hamburger, you please your fellow man by a few, be it feeding your family or friends. If you take your delicious hamburger, and open your own restaurant, you will please your fellow man by the thousands. If you decide to franchise your restaurant, you will please your fellow man by the millions, and financial success grows equally.

I suspect you’re one of those under the misapprehension that our crony capitalist system (really Fascism) works for the vast majority of Americans, if only they would learn to invest and please their fellow man.

The billionaires laugh at people like you.

It only works for people that take the opportunity to be part of it. If you are going to stay at your job running a drill press, you are not participating. You are simply working for somebody that is participating.

So now if everyone would just apply their God given talents, all would be rich. LOL. WTF man.

Anyone can increase their net worth if they want to.

Yes but few ever get rich. Now with the system so stacked against most Americans, many can see the unfairness. Millions of Americans are living in or near poverty, while billionaires get sweetheart deals from Uncle.

Money is political power in our corrupt nation. The ultra rich have enormous political power. I don’t think this a good thing. Do you?

Define rich.

Some would say a person who can live modestly off of his lifetime of savings with little worry about meeting his expenses is a rich man.

The fact is you don't need millions of dollars to live such a life.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Those who are not scared of socialism do not understand it. Capitalism is to a large degree about choices. Your choices. Socialism is also about choices. Gov'ts choices, not yours. Poor, oppressed people do exist under both economic models, but far more of them in a socialistic state where opportunity to advance based on merit is quite rare. Not nearly so rare in a capitalistic society, in a capitalistic system there is a great deal more wealth to be had and it is spread around a great deal more than in a socialist country. Even the poor have it much better in a country like ours than they do is any socialist country. And BTW, Sweden is not a socialist country.

Capitalism is a system that rewards people for being productive. Not so much in a socialist system.

As has been pointed out, some say we actually have both. However if you look at our national debt, how well is our socialist system working out, especially compared to the capitalist system? We have very little debt because of our capitalist system, and because our government gets their money from this very system, it's clear it's much more successful than the socialist model.

I don't believe that government funding X is actually socialism though. Socialism is more or less a system that tries to make everybody equal no matter who you are or what talents you possess.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Trumps covid bail outs place the US as a socialist democracy. Handouts for farmers, handouts for large corporations. Handouts for those affected by the crisis. The detail might need tweeking but the principle is socialism. Now you need to sort out your crazy healthcare.

You don't know what socialism is, Trump's bail outs came from captalism .

It was paid by taxes that were paid by working men and women. People too poor to pay for tax avoidance.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Sorry Republicans - Socialism doesn't scare them anymore...

"Doesn't scare them" ?
Then this is proof that they are morons and ignorant imbeciles.

Even with the modern example of Venezuela's Socialist abject failure and the horrors millions are now suffering, people like you still wave the destructive Socialist flag.

Move there......or you're simply a misguided, uninformed, hypocritical jackass who doesn't deserve America.
You sit here in America, fat in the spoils of Capitalism, while praising the horrors of Socialism. Pathetic beyond reason.

 

[blackhawk]

That is because they have never lived in a true socialist country they have been feed this romanticized idea of socialism where everything is fair and equal and there is no suffering or have not’s. If they really want to know what socialism is like I suggest they talk to someone who has lived in a truly socialist country or better yet go live in one for six months or a year. I suspect if they lived under true socialism for awhile the thrill of it would wear off pretty fast.

 

[pknopp]

That is because they have never lived in a true socialist country they have been feed this romanticized idea of socialism where everything is fair and equal and there is no suffering or have not’s. If they really want to know what socialism is like I suggest they talk to someone who has lived in a truly socialist country or better yet go live in one for six months or a year. I suspect if they lived under true socialism for awhile the thrill of it would wear off pretty fast.

Same can be said of Capitalism.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That is because they have never lived in a true socialist country they have been feed this romanticized idea of socialism where everything is fair and equal and there is no suffering or have not’s.

Yes, but we already have places like that in the US today. Places where you get free government healthcare, nobody has guns except government, food and clothing paid for, everybody is equal and nobody has more money than the other.

We call these places prisons, and they are full of Democrats already.

 

[blackhawk]

That is because they have never lived in a true socialist country they have been feed this romanticized idea of socialism where everything is fair and equal and there is no suffering or have not’s.

Yes, but we already have places like that in the US today. Places where you get free government healthcare, nobody has guns except government, food and clothing paid for, everybody is equal and nobody has more money than the other.

We call these places prisons, and they are full of Democrats already.

Interestingly few if any who claim to be so disillusioned by our capitalist system and enamored with socialism never actually move to country where their preferred system of government is already in place. Given the current state of the airline industry I would think they could get a good deal on a ticket right now.

 

[SeaGal]

Those who are not scared of socialism do not understand it. Capitalism is to a large degree about choices. Your choices. Socialism is also about choices. Gov'ts choices, not yours. Poor, oppressed people do exist under both economic models, but far more of them in a socialistic state where opportunity to advance based on merit is quite rare. Not nearly so rare in a capitalistic society, in a capitalistic system there is a great deal more wealth to be had and it is spread around a great deal more than in a socialist country. Even the poor have it much better in a country like ours than they do is any socialist country. And BTW, Sweden is not a socialist country.

Capitalism is a system that rewards people for being productive. Not so much in a socialist system.

As has been pointed out, some say we actually have both. However if you look at our national debt, how well is our socialist system working out, especially compared to the capitalist system? We have very little debt because of our capitalist system, and because our government gets their money from this very system, it's clear it's much more successful than the socialist model.

I don't believe that government funding X is actually socialism though. Socialism is more or less a system that tries to make everybody equal no matter who you are or what talents you possess.

Good points, both of you.

Our largest expenditures by far are our 'social' programs.

Perhaps one of capitalisms greatest flaws is that it creates enough wealth to allow a segment of society to be paid for simply existing. It has done an excellent job of creating a class of poor that have a better standard of living than many of the world's middle class.

In a socialist society no one is allowed to 'chose not to work'. Even the social democracies (which are capitalist economies imposing extremely high taxes) across the pond have far less tolerance of 'unemployment', and far less tolerant immigration systems than we do. (Not such bad ideas. lol) I don't think our socialist advocates have given that much thought...but they can't point to a single socialist country that is successful in eliminating the poor.

Socialism can work for a time in small, homogenous communities - the US isn't even close to resembling such. Eventually though, even in those, the cream rises to the top and rebels.

All things considered, a free-market economy that places high value on personal property and individualism, imo, is a much healthier society that benefits the greatest number of people, and allows for the greatest diversity.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Our largest expenditures by far are our 'social' programs.

Well, that and the crony capitalism program know as the military-industrial complex, commonly referred to as the Defense Budget.

Otherwise, I agree.

Especially with this:

All things considered, a free-market economy that places high value on personal property and individualism, imo, is a much healthier society that benefits the greatest number of people, and allows for the greatest diversity.

 

[gipper]

Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

And a huge reliance on the Socialist actions of the Federal Reserve.

Who benefits from these socialist actions by the government and the Fed? It sure appears that the extreme wealthy are the main beneficiaries.

They absolutely are. And they sit around and laugh at those struggling believing they actually have a shot in our fake "capitalistic" system.

Yes. Many Americans want to cling to the belief we all can make it big. Just work hard and bingo, you’re rich in America. They can’t bring themselves around to accept what their eyes are telling them. The elites love this foolish people.

Nobody believes that. People understand that capitalism is much more than working hard. It's a matter of taking your money and investing in it, thus creating your own income.

In many instances, people fail, but in the process, learn things. You can work as hard as you desire, but if you are blue collar, you'll never get rich working for somebody else. It's a well known factor.

My favorite economist, and former fill-in host on the Rush Limbaugh show, Dr. Walter E Williams said many times, that when he was teaching college, he would be asked by one or more students "Dr. Williams, what is the secrete to financial success?" To that, Williams always responded that the key to success is pleasing your fellow man.

If you make a good hamburger, you please your fellow man by a few, be it feeding your family or friends. If you take your delicious hamburger, and open your own restaurant, you will please your fellow man by the thousands. If you decide to franchise your restaurant, you will please your fellow man by the millions, and financial success grows equally.

I suspect you’re one of those under the misapprehension that our crony capitalist system (really Fascism) works for the vast majority of Americans, if only they would learn to invest and please their fellow man.

The billionaires laugh at people like you.

It only works for people that take the opportunity to be part of it. If you are going to stay at your job running a drill press, you are not participating. You are simply working for somebody that is participating.

So now if everyone would just apply their God given talents, all would be rich. LOL. WTF man.

Anyone can increase their net worth if they want to.

Yes but few ever get rich. Now with the system so stacked against most Americans, many can see the unfairness. Millions of Americans are living in or near poverty, while billionaires get sweetheart deals from Uncle.

Money is political power in our corrupt nation. The ultra rich have enormous political power. I don’t think this a good thing. Do you?

Define rich.

Some would say a person who can live modestly off of his lifetime of savings with little worry about meeting his expenses is a rich man.

The fact is you don't need millions of dollars to live such a life.

You’re ignoring the problem. Over 50% of Americans have $0 net worth. Millions live in poverty. We are the richest third world nation in the world.

Can we debate the problem rather than post platitudes?

 

[bripat9643]

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

they look at successful people who sacrificed, worked hard, and took risks to become successful and think they are entitled to the same without making any effort.

How hard did people work and sacrifice for this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

But the article doesn't say where these funds come from.

You know where it is coming from. The same place those getting 1.6 million complain about when a single mother of three gets $400 in food stamps.

No one is getting 1.6 million.

Most of that is going to be from tax credits for keeping people an payroll instead of laying them off.

But I suppose you'd rather see businesses lay people off so that none of those greedy small business owners get any tax relief

That's how capitalism works is it not? What do you call what you are now promoting? You call that Socialism. Now tell me again how you support capitalism but not socialism.

I don't call it socialism because it's not socialism.

Getting a tax credit for keeping people on payroll is better and less expensive than laying them off.

It's about time small businesses got some tax relief because they pay a lot more in taxes than you and get nothing in return for it

but instead, they’ll be receiving other funds averaging about $1.6 million each, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Other funds.........once more....other funds. Tax breaks are not "other funds".

Will they also be able to avoid paying taxes on their capital gains? Capital gains created by the socialist actions of the Federal Reserve? Sure, they will be able to do that also.

It's bullshit.

What funds? Where will it come from?

The article is vague bullshit

Where? 26 trillion in debt and growing. $6 trillion in new debt the last 3.5 years.

The debt doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

23% of the debt is the Treasury owing money to other government agencies so it is meaningless since it is just a ledger entry.

2\3 of the remaining 77% is owned by US institutions and individuals. In fact most of the public debt is owned by U.S. banks and investors; the Federal Reserve; mutual funds; state and local governments; and pensions funds, insurance companies, and savings bonds.

So in actuality US citizens are benefiting from the debt more than any other group.

If you believe the government can renege on its financial obligations to banks, investors, retireees, savers, etc. you are a true idiot.

Did you mean "can't"?

No.

 

[bripat9643]

They absolutely are. And they sit around and laugh at those struggling believing they actually have a shot in our fake "capitalistic" system.

Yes. No one gets wealthy and lives very well in America. Who would claim otherwise?

He just did, but he can't see it.

Wealth is being created by the socialists actions of the federal reserve.

Nope. The federal reserve only creates numbers in computers. It creates nothing tangible.

It's all fake, I don't disagree with that. Unfortunately we accept this fake wealth as real.

You can't live in a house unless it's real. Someone has to build it.

 

[Blaine Sweeter]

Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility. Many of them are unwilling to succeed on their own blood, sweat and tears.

Further, many of today's young people neither understand socialism nor are they aware of its repeated historical abject failures, nor the toll in human lives socialism has claimed. Our youth are not pissed off at capitalism or any other specific economic/governmental system; they're pissed off at and despise human nature.

On one side of the coin of human nature a man can find individual freedom, limitless potential for improvement, the rule of law through personal responsibility and a life of relative stability in a free nation. On the other side of human nature's coin a man becomes a member of a collective group, owns no property, suffers beneath the greed of powerful men as a form of government and is punished for his speech and thought.

When faced with a decision between a life of prosperity through hard work or one of poverty and misery and constant want, most men would fight to the death for a chance at the former. That, in a nutshell, is the sum of the spirit of American men. Men who choose the latter; men who wait for success to find them while living on someone else's dime and raging against society for failing without even trying . . . they are the enemies of America.

Yeah, they're all just a bunch of lazy asses...all of 'em. That explains everything.