Socialism doesn't scare them anymore

[pknopp]

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

they look at successful people who sacrificed, worked hard, and took risks to become successful and think they are entitled to the same without making any effort.

How hard did people work and sacrifice for this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

But the article doesn't say where these funds come from.

You know where it is coming from. The same place those getting 1.6 million complain about when a single mother of three gets $400 in food stamps.

No one is getting 1.6 million.

Most of that is going to be from tax credits for keeping people an payroll instead of laying them off.

But I suppose you'd rather see businesses lay people off so that none of those greedy small business owners get any tax relief

That's how capitalism works is it not? What do you call what you are now promoting? You call that Socialism. Now tell me again how you support capitalism but not socialism.

 

[Agit8r]

People can see that the so-called "free market" is 100% a scam. The rich get tons of welfare from Uncle Sugar and it doesn't trickle down. There is already "socialism" for those who are already priveliged. The younger genrations have put in the same level of hard work that older ones did, but haven't seen any reward in it.

Older generations owned homes. Younger generations have outstanding student loans instead. And even though these loans are matketed as an "investment in your future" that can't be forgiven under bankruptcy law, the way that bad investments in useless bouji airlines and casinos are readily forgiven and forgotten.

The promising career field that they went to school for, suddenly become nonexistant, and they have to take a job that is objectively beneath their ability level. They are stuck working for corporate straw-bosses--the sorriest fuckups of the older generations--and quickly realize that intelligence and merit have become fully disassociated from social rank.

So the major complaints about socialism that have been made since time immemorial fail to register as something to be afraid of, because we are already living in a world that where those problems are manifest.

 

[pknopp]

Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited. Millennials are embracing Socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them. Many grew up in cars or tenement slums during the great recession when GW Bush's call for "deregulation" allowed financial institutions to peddle toxic mortgage packages to anyone with a pulse, and ratings institutions such as Standard and Poor's looked the other way. As the economy crashed, and things got worse, the right wing refused to agree lend even a small a hand to the many who suffered needlessly, while the few at the top became wealthier still.

Young people, along with women and minorities watched as the economy slowly healed over the next 8 years with President Obama at the helm, and witnessed 30 million Americans who previously had little or no healthcare benefits could now see a doctor without medical bankruptcy in the back of their minds. The right wing screamed SOCIALISM! of course, but they didn't care - They now had medical coverage. They also watched Donald Trump do everything in his power to strip them and their families of that protection, while offering nothing to replace it with except - "Go see your insurance man"

Sorry Republicans - Socialism doesn't scare them anymore...

Millennials embracing socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them

Millennial interest in socialism has perfectly understandable roots reaching back to the defining catastrophe of the Great Recession.

thehill.com

We have never had "unfettered capitalism"

And these idiot millennials think they deserve a much higher pay than their skills warrant.

Let's see how they like giving the lion's share of their pay to the fucking government to pay for all the shit they think will be free

Free stuff like this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

I already addressed that.

That article is pure bullshit because any business can spread a loss out over 3 years already

They are expecting their next checks. McConnell will see that they get them.

No one is getting a check for 1.6 million .

I got $1200 but I didn't get a check. If that is how you want to defend this.

 

[TheParser]

1. I am 83, and I love socialism in the form of Medicare.

2. And I think it is terrible that old people have to pay so much money for a decent "retirement home."

3. I love the idea of being taken care of from cradle to grave.

4. But I realize that socialism/communism does NOT work because:


a. It has never worked in any country.

b. There is not enough money to pay for everything.

c. Human nature being what it is, people need incentives (in the form of different salaries) to do their job, (Hear tell that in some countries, "free" medical care must be accompanied by generous "tips.")


5. So we are stuck with our combination of capitalism AND socialism. We just have to keep tweaking it.

 

[Blues Man]

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

they look at successful people who sacrificed, worked hard, and took risks to become successful and think they are entitled to the same without making any effort.

How hard did people work and sacrifice for this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

But the article doesn't say where these funds come from.

You know where it is coming from. The same place those getting 1.6 million complain about when a single mother of three gets $400 in food stamps.

No one is getting 1.6 million.

Most of that is going to be from tax credits for keeping people an payroll instead of laying them off.

But I suppose you'd rather see businesses lay people off so that none of those greedy small business owners get any tax relief

That's how capitalism works is it not? What do you call what you are now promoting? You call that Socialism. Now tell me again how you support capitalism but not socialism.

I don't call it socialism because it's not socialism.

Getting a tax credit for keeping people on payroll is better and less expensive than laying them off.

It's about time small businesses got some tax relief because they pay a lot more in taxes than you and get nothing in return for it

 

[bripat9643]

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

they look at successful people who sacrificed, worked hard, and took risks to become successful and think they are entitled to the same without making any effort.

How hard did people work and sacrifice for this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

But the article doesn't say where these funds come from.

You know where it is coming from. The same place those getting 1.6 million complain about when a single mother of three gets $400 in food stamps.

No one is getting 1.6 million.

Most of that is going to be from tax credits for keeping people an payroll instead of laying them off.

But I suppose you'd rather see businesses lay people off so that none of those greedy small business owners get any tax relief

That's how capitalism works is it not? What do you call what you are now promoting? You call that Socialism. Now tell me again how you support capitalism but not socialism.

The shutdown is socialism. That's what you promote.

 

[pknopp]

1. I am 83, and I love socialism in the form of Medicare.

2. And I think it is terrible that old people have to pay so much money for a decent "retirement home."

3. I love the idea of being taken care of from cradle to grave.

4. But I realize that socialism/communism does NOT work because:


a. It has never worked in any country.

b. There is not enough money to pay for everything.

c. Human nature being what it is, people need incentives (in the form of different salaries) to do their job, (Hear tell that in some countries, "free" medical care must be accompanied by generous "tips.")


5. So we are stuck with our combination of capitalism AND socialism. We just have to keep tweaking it.

Capitalism propped up by socialism. The issue is the "capitalists" are being far more propped up.

 

[Blues Man]

Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited. Millennials are embracing Socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them. Many grew up in cars or tenement slums during the great recession when GW Bush's call for "deregulation" allowed financial institutions to peddle toxic mortgage packages to anyone with a pulse, and ratings institutions such as Standard and Poor's looked the other way. As the economy crashed, and things got worse, the right wing refused to agree lend even a small a hand to the many who suffered needlessly, while the few at the top became wealthier still.

Young people, along with women and minorities watched as the economy slowly healed over the next 8 years with President Obama at the helm, and witnessed 30 million Americans who previously had little or no healthcare benefits could now see a doctor without medical bankruptcy in the back of their minds. The right wing screamed SOCIALISM! of course, but they didn't care - They now had medical coverage. They also watched Donald Trump do everything in his power to strip them and their families of that protection, while offering nothing to replace it with except - "Go see your insurance man"

Sorry Republicans - Socialism doesn't scare them anymore...

Millennials embracing socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them

Millennial interest in socialism has perfectly understandable roots reaching back to the defining catastrophe of the Great Recession.

thehill.com

We have never had "unfettered capitalism"

And these idiot millennials think they deserve a much higher pay than their skills warrant.

Let's see how they like giving the lion's share of their pay to the fucking government to pay for all the shit they think will be free

Free stuff like this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

I already addressed that.

That article is pure bullshit because any business can spread a loss out over 3 years already

They are expecting their next checks. McConnell will see that they get them.

No one is getting a check for 1.6 million .

I got $1200 but I didn't get a check. If that is how you want to defend this.

A direct deposit is an electronic check you idiot.

And I didn't get 1200 because of our joint income we didn't qualify.

So damn straight I'll take the tax credits for keeping people on payroll instead of laying them off.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

They absolutely are. And they sit around and laugh at those struggling believing they actually have a shot in our fake "capitalistic" system.

Yes. No one gets wealthy and lives very well in America. Who would claim otherwise?

 

[bripat9643]

1. I am 83, and I love socialism in the form of Medicare.

2. And I think it is terrible that old people have to pay so much money for a decent "retirement home."

3. I love the idea of being taken care of from cradle to grave.

4. But I realize that socialism/communism does NOT work because:


a. It has never worked in any country.

b. There is not enough money to pay for everything.

c. Human nature being what it is, people need incentives (in the form of different salaries) to do their job, (Hear tell that in some countries, "free" medical care must be accompanied by generous "tips.")


5. So we are stuck with our combination of capitalism AND socialism. We just have to keep tweaking it.

Capitalism propped up by socialism. The issue is the "capitalists" are being far more propped up.

Capitalism props up socialism, which produces nothing. It only takes.

 

[pknopp]

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

they look at successful people who sacrificed, worked hard, and took risks to become successful and think they are entitled to the same without making any effort.

How hard did people work and sacrifice for this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

But the article doesn't say where these funds come from.

You know where it is coming from. The same place those getting 1.6 million complain about when a single mother of three gets $400 in food stamps.

No one is getting 1.6 million.

Most of that is going to be from tax credits for keeping people an payroll instead of laying them off.

But I suppose you'd rather see businesses lay people off so that none of those greedy small business owners get any tax relief

That's how capitalism works is it not? What do you call what you are now promoting? You call that Socialism. Now tell me again how you support capitalism but not socialism.

I don't call it socialism because it's not socialism.

Getting a tax credit for keeping people on payroll is better and less expensive than laying them off.

It's about time small businesses got some tax relief because they pay a lot more in taxes than you and get nothing in return for it

but instead, they’ll be receiving other funds averaging about $1.6 million each, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Other funds.........once more....other funds. Tax breaks are not "other funds".

Will they also be able to avoid paying taxes on their capital gains? Capital gains created by the socialist actions of the Federal Reserve? Sure, they will be able to do that also.

 

[pknopp]

1. I am 83, and I love socialism in the form of Medicare.

2. And I think it is terrible that old people have to pay so much money for a decent "retirement home."

3. I love the idea of being taken care of from cradle to grave.

4. But I realize that socialism/communism does NOT work because:


a. It has never worked in any country.

b. There is not enough money to pay for everything.

c. Human nature being what it is, people need incentives (in the form of different salaries) to do their job, (Hear tell that in some countries, "free" medical care must be accompanied by generous "tips.")


5. So we are stuck with our combination of capitalism AND socialism. We just have to keep tweaking it.

Capitalism propped up by socialism. The issue is the "capitalists" are being far more propped up.

Capitalism props up socialism, which produces nothing. It only takes.

I'm happy to do away with the socialists actions of the federal reserve and see how well we do. We are Venezuela without these actions.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Right now, in this day and age we have state capitalism which is throwing free monies to companies to stay afloat along with free money, food, electric and other commodities being given for free and you think that there is no socialism in the USA? What did you do with yer twelve hundred bucks from Uncle Sam?

Government is the problem.

 

[Blues Man]

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

they look at successful people who sacrificed, worked hard, and took risks to become successful and think they are entitled to the same without making any effort.

How hard did people work and sacrifice for this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

But the article doesn't say where these funds come from.

You know where it is coming from. The same place those getting 1.6 million complain about when a single mother of three gets $400 in food stamps.

No one is getting 1.6 million.

Most of that is going to be from tax credits for keeping people an payroll instead of laying them off.

But I suppose you'd rather see businesses lay people off so that none of those greedy small business owners get any tax relief

That's how capitalism works is it not? What do you call what you are now promoting? You call that Socialism. Now tell me again how you support capitalism but not socialism.

I don't call it socialism because it's not socialism.

Getting a tax credit for keeping people on payroll is better and less expensive than laying them off.

It's about time small businesses got some tax relief because they pay a lot more in taxes than you and get nothing in return for it

but instead, they’ll be receiving other funds averaging about $1.6 million each, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Other funds.........once more....other funds. Tax breaks are not "other funds".

Will they also be able to avoid paying taxes on their capital gains? Capital gains created by the socialist actions of the Federal Reserve? Sure, they will be able to do that also.

It's bullshit.

What funds? Where will it come from?

The article is vague bullshit

ALL pass through business entities can deduct business losses against their non-business income because they claim all their business income as personal income. That's the very definition of a pass through like an S corp.

 

[pknopp]

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

they look at successful people who sacrificed, worked hard, and took risks to become successful and think they are entitled to the same without making any effort.

How hard did people work and sacrifice for this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

But the article doesn't say where these funds come from.

You know where it is coming from. The same place those getting 1.6 million complain about when a single mother of three gets $400 in food stamps.

No one is getting 1.6 million.

Most of that is going to be from tax credits for keeping people an payroll instead of laying them off.

But I suppose you'd rather see businesses lay people off so that none of those greedy small business owners get any tax relief

That's how capitalism works is it not? What do you call what you are now promoting? You call that Socialism. Now tell me again how you support capitalism but not socialism.

I don't call it socialism because it's not socialism.

Getting a tax credit for keeping people on payroll is better and less expensive than laying them off.

It's about time small businesses got some tax relief because they pay a lot more in taxes than you and get nothing in return for it

but instead, they’ll be receiving other funds averaging about $1.6 million each, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Other funds.........once more....other funds. Tax breaks are not "other funds".

Will they also be able to avoid paying taxes on their capital gains? Capital gains created by the socialist actions of the Federal Reserve? Sure, they will be able to do that also.

It's bullshit.

What funds? Where will it come from?

The article is vague bullshit

Where? 26 trillion in debt and growing. $6 trillion in new debt the last 3.5 years.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

And a huge reliance on the Socialist actions of the Federal Reserve.

Who benefits from these socialist actions by the government and the Fed? It sure appears that the extreme wealthy are the main beneficiaries.

They absolutely are. And they sit around and laugh at those struggling believing they actually have a shot in our fake "capitalistic" system.

Yes. Many Americans want to cling to the belief we all can make it big. Just work hard and bingo, you’re rich in America. They can’t bring themselves around to accept what their eyes are telling them. The elites love this foolish people.

Nobody believes that. People understand that capitalism is much more than working hard. It's a matter of taking your money and investing in it, thus creating your own income.

In many instances, people fail, but in the process, learn things. You can work as hard as you desire, but if you are blue collar, you'll never get rich working for somebody else. It's a well known factor.

My favorite economist, and former fill-in host on the Rush Limbaugh show, Dr. Walter E Williams said many times, that when he was teaching college, he would be asked by one or more students "Dr. Williams, what is the secrete to financial success?" To that, Williams always responded that the key to success is pleasing your fellow man.

If you make a good hamburger, you please your fellow man by a few, be it feeding your family or friends. If you take your delicious hamburger, and open your own restaurant, you will please your fellow man by the thousands. If you decide to franchise your restaurant, you will please your fellow man by the millions, and financial success grows equally.

I suspect you’re one of those under the misapprehension that our crony capitalist system (really Fascism) works for the vast majority of Americans, if only they would learn to invest and please their fellow man.

The billionaires laugh at people like you.

It only works for people that take the opportunity to be part of it. If you are going to stay at your job running a drill press, you are not participating. You are simply working for somebody that is participating.

 

[Blues Man]

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

they look at successful people who sacrificed, worked hard, and took risks to become successful and think they are entitled to the same without making any effort.

How hard did people work and sacrifice for this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

But the article doesn't say where these funds come from.

You know where it is coming from. The same place those getting 1.6 million complain about when a single mother of three gets $400 in food stamps.

No one is getting 1.6 million.

Most of that is going to be from tax credits for keeping people an payroll instead of laying them off.

But I suppose you'd rather see businesses lay people off so that none of those greedy small business owners get any tax relief

That's how capitalism works is it not? What do you call what you are now promoting? You call that Socialism. Now tell me again how you support capitalism but not socialism.

I don't call it socialism because it's not socialism.

Getting a tax credit for keeping people on payroll is better and less expensive than laying them off.

It's about time small businesses got some tax relief because they pay a lot more in taxes than you and get nothing in return for it

but instead, they’ll be receiving other funds averaging about $1.6 million each, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Other funds.........once more....other funds. Tax breaks are not "other funds".

Will they also be able to avoid paying taxes on their capital gains? Capital gains created by the socialist actions of the Federal Reserve? Sure, they will be able to do that also.

It's bullshit.

What funds? Where will it come from?

The article is vague bullshit

Where? 26 trillion in debt and growing. $6 trillion in new debt the last 3.5 years.

The debt doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

23% of the debt is the Treasury owing money to other government agencies so it is meaningless since it is just a ledger entry.

2\3 of the remaining 77% is owned by US institutions and individuals. In fact most of the public debt is owned by U.S. banks and investors; the Federal Reserve; mutual funds; state and local governments; and pensions funds, insurance companies, and savings bonds.

So in actuality US citizens are benefiting from the debt more than any other group.

 

[pknopp]

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

they look at successful people who sacrificed, worked hard, and took risks to become successful and think they are entitled to the same without making any effort.

How hard did people work and sacrifice for this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

But the article doesn't say where these funds come from.

You know where it is coming from. The same place those getting 1.6 million complain about when a single mother of three gets $400 in food stamps.

No one is getting 1.6 million.

Most of that is going to be from tax credits for keeping people an payroll instead of laying them off.

But I suppose you'd rather see businesses lay people off so that none of those greedy small business owners get any tax relief

That's how capitalism works is it not? What do you call what you are now promoting? You call that Socialism. Now tell me again how you support capitalism but not socialism.

I don't call it socialism because it's not socialism.

Getting a tax credit for keeping people on payroll is better and less expensive than laying them off.

It's about time small businesses got some tax relief because they pay a lot more in taxes than you and get nothing in return for it

but instead, they’ll be receiving other funds averaging about $1.6 million each, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Other funds.........once more....other funds. Tax breaks are not "other funds".

Will they also be able to avoid paying taxes on their capital gains? Capital gains created by the socialist actions of the Federal Reserve? Sure, they will be able to do that also.

It's bullshit.

What funds? Where will it come from?

The article is vague bullshit

Where? 26 trillion in debt and growing. $6 trillion in new debt the last 3.5 years.

The debt doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

23% of the debt is the Treasury owing money to other government agencies so it is meaningless since it is just a ledger entry.

2\3 of the remaining 77% is owned by US institutions and individuals. In fact most of the public debt is owned by U.S. banks and investors; the Federal Reserve; mutual funds; state and local governments; and pensions funds, insurance companies, and savings bonds.

So in actuality US citizens are benefiting from the debt more than any other group.

Great.......the debt doesn't matter so we can increase welfare to get people out of poverty. Hopefully I won't see you ask "but how will we pay for it"?

Did you ever say that when many of us argued for Universal Health Care?

 

[Blues Man]

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

they look at successful people who sacrificed, worked hard, and took risks to become successful and think they are entitled to the same without making any effort.

How hard did people work and sacrifice for this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

But the article doesn't say where these funds come from.

You know where it is coming from. The same place those getting 1.6 million complain about when a single mother of three gets $400 in food stamps.

No one is getting 1.6 million.

Most of that is going to be from tax credits for keeping people an payroll instead of laying them off.

But I suppose you'd rather see businesses lay people off so that none of those greedy small business owners get any tax relief

That's how capitalism works is it not? What do you call what you are now promoting? You call that Socialism. Now tell me again how you support capitalism but not socialism.

I don't call it socialism because it's not socialism.

Getting a tax credit for keeping people on payroll is better and less expensive than laying them off.

It's about time small businesses got some tax relief because they pay a lot more in taxes than you and get nothing in return for it

but instead, they’ll be receiving other funds averaging about $1.6 million each, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Other funds.........once more....other funds. Tax breaks are not "other funds".

Will they also be able to avoid paying taxes on their capital gains? Capital gains created by the socialist actions of the Federal Reserve? Sure, they will be able to do that also.

It's bullshit.

What funds? Where will it come from?

The article is vague bullshit

Where? 26 trillion in debt and growing. $6 trillion in new debt the last 3.5 years.

The debt doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

23% of the debt is the Treasury owing money to other government agencies so it is meaningless since it is just a ledger entry.

2\3 of the remaining 77% is owned by US institutions and individuals. In fact most of the public debt is owned by U.S. banks and investors; the Federal Reserve; mutual funds; state and local governments; and pensions funds, insurance companies, and savings bonds.

So in actuality US citizens are benefiting from the debt more than any other group.

Great.......the debt doesn't matter so we can increase welfare to get people out of poverty. Hopefully I won't see you ask "but how will we pay for it"?

Did you ever say that when many of us argued for Universal Health Care?

Universal health care wouldn't be paid for by borrowing it would be paid for by a slew of new taxes on just about everything.

And we have the richest poor people in the world because of what we spend on welfare already.

 

[pknopp]

No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.

they look at successful people who sacrificed, worked hard, and took risks to become successful and think they are entitled to the same without making any effort.

How hard did people work and sacrifice for this?

Over 43,000 US millionaires to get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each, committee finds

But the article doesn't say where these funds come from.

You know where it is coming from. The same place those getting 1.6 million complain about when a single mother of three gets $400 in food stamps.

No one is getting 1.6 million.

Most of that is going to be from tax credits for keeping people an payroll instead of laying them off.

But I suppose you'd rather see businesses lay people off so that none of those greedy small business owners get any tax relief

That's how capitalism works is it not? What do you call what you are now promoting? You call that Socialism. Now tell me again how you support capitalism but not socialism.

I don't call it socialism because it's not socialism.

Getting a tax credit for keeping people on payroll is better and less expensive than laying them off.

It's about time small businesses got some tax relief because they pay a lot more in taxes than you and get nothing in return for it

but instead, they’ll be receiving other funds averaging about $1.6 million each, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Other funds.........once more....other funds. Tax breaks are not "other funds".

Will they also be able to avoid paying taxes on their capital gains? Capital gains created by the socialist actions of the Federal Reserve? Sure, they will be able to do that also.

It's bullshit.

What funds? Where will it come from?

The article is vague bullshit

Where? 26 trillion in debt and growing. $6 trillion in new debt the last 3.5 years.

The debt doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

23% of the debt is the Treasury owing money to other government agencies so it is meaningless since it is just a ledger entry.

2\3 of the remaining 77% is owned by US institutions and individuals. In fact most of the public debt is owned by U.S. banks and investors; the Federal Reserve; mutual funds; state and local governments; and pensions funds, insurance companies, and savings bonds.

So in actuality US citizens are benefiting from the debt more than any other group.

Great.......the debt doesn't matter so we can increase welfare to get people out of poverty. Hopefully I won't see you ask "but how will we pay for it"?

Did you ever say that when many of us argued for Universal Health Care?

Universal health care wouldn't be paid for by borrowing it would be paid for by a slew of new taxes on just about everything.

And we have the richest poor people in the world because of what we spend on welfare already.

So let's do it with debt. All good?