Socialism = Capitalism plus

[Oddball]

The problem you have is recognizing which one does what?

I have no problem recognizing anything....Eventually, the pretense of benevolence will be abandoned, as has been done every time..

You, sir, are dumber than a bag of ******* hammers.

 

[BWK]

Being silly is only showing your own failure to debate. Ha, good for me, bad for you.

Silly?..You have absolutely NFI what you're blabbering about and I'm silly?

Yeah, m'kay.

Debate like a man. Showing us silly illustrations only shows more juvenile behavior, and a lack of engaement away from critical debate. It's your MO. That's on you.

 

[Thinker101]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

Sure seems to be an easy fix to this mess....move to one of those "happy" places....dumbass.

So, your argument is to present no argument, and attack me for spelling out what you can't argue about. Now isn't that rich. Lol!

My prediction was right. No Republican has yet presented any intelligent rebuttal to the OP I presented.

Really!? Are you that fricken stupid? You know implementing Socialism in this country would be extremely tough, lives lost and money flushed at the very least. Wouldn't it be much easier for those that want socialism to move to a country that already has socialism.

We already do. We've had it ever since FDR. The fact that you do not know the definition of Socialism is on you. Why move somewhere else when we already have it?

I could say, if we already do then STFU. But I know you loons feel this country is not socialist enough. We do have socialist type programs and you want more. If you want more, buy a one way ticket.

 

[dblack]

If you don't pay them the government will either take the money from you by force or put you in jail for refusing. Did you really not know that?

If I don't pay them, they won't be putting me in jail, because there was no money paid out to have the jail or the road to take me there.

LOL - that's some serious logical deduction right there.

We pay these things from a need, not because we are forced. Without these services, everything comes to a hault. Are you telling us you do not understand that?

I understand why we might want to pay taxes. But that doesn't change the basic coercive nature of tax laws. Taxes aren't voluntary.

 

[BWK]

The problem you have is recognizing which one does what?

I have no problem recognizing anything....Eventually, the pretense of benevolence will be abandoned, as has been done every time..

You, sir, are dumber than a bag of ******* hammers.

See what I mean? When in doubt, and you've come to recognize your own inadequacies, resort to attacking the other guy as your only escape route. Which is what you always do. Again, that's on you.

 

[BWK]

One could take your line of thinking and say any form of taxation is advocating violence. Taxes of some sort are necessary to run a nation.

Taxation is coercive in nature - there's no way around it. That's why we should minimize the practice, and only use it when it's truly necessary.

When I am taxed for roads, bridges, police, fire departments, clean water, safe food, etc. how is that coercive?

If you don't pay them the government will either take the money from you by force or put you in jail for refusing. Did you really not know that?

If I don't pay them, they won't be putting me in jail, because there was no money paid out to have the jail or the road to take me there.

LOL - that's some serious logical deduction right there.

We pay these things from a need, not because we are forced. Without these services, everything comes to a hault. Are you telling us you do not understand that?

I understand why we might want to pay taxes. But that doesn't change the basic coercive nature of tax laws. Taxes aren't voluntary.

Call it what you want. Without taxes, the country stops moving. That's reality. Your hang up is your own. I just happen to be a realist who knows what it takes for the wheels of civilization to keep moving.

You can complain about taxes being coercive 24/7 if that's your bag, but reality is going to tell you that you'll just have to keep complaining.

 

[BWK]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

Sure seems to be an easy fix to this mess....move to one of those "happy" places....dumbass.

So, your argument is to present no argument, and attack me for spelling out what you can't argue about. Now isn't that rich. Lol!

My prediction was right. No Republican has yet presented any intelligent rebuttal to the OP I presented.

Really!? Are you that fricken stupid? You know implementing Socialism in this country would be extremely tough, lives lost and money flushed at the very least. Wouldn't it be much easier for those that want socialism to move to a country that already has socialism.

We already do. We've had it ever since FDR. The fact that you do not know the definition of Socialism is on you. Why move somewhere else when we already have it?

I could say, if we already do then STFU. But I know you loons feel this country is not socialist enough. We do have socialist type programs and you want more. If you want more, buy a one way ticket.

"Want more?" Such as? Did I ever say that? No! You invented that in your head. I only want the Socialism we have always had since FDR, and get rid of the Socialism that does me no good, like sports Socialism.

 

[Thinker101]

Sure seems to be an easy fix to this mess....move to one of those "happy" places....dumbass.

So, your argument is to present no argument, and attack me for spelling out what you can't argue about. Now isn't that rich. Lol!

My prediction was right. No Republican has yet presented any intelligent rebuttal to the OP I presented.

Really!? Are you that fricken stupid? You know implementing Socialism in this country would be extremely tough, lives lost and money flushed at the very least. Wouldn't it be much easier for those that want socialism to move to a country that already has socialism.

We already do. We've had it ever since FDR. The fact that you do not know the definition of Socialism is on you. Why move somewhere else when we already have it?

I could say, if we already do then STFU. But I know you loons feel this country is not socialist enough. We do have socialist type programs and you want more. If you want more, buy a one way ticket.

"Want more?" Such as? Did I ever say that? No! You invented that in your head. I only want the Socialism we have always had since FDR, and get rid of the Socialism that does me no good, like sports Socialism.

I see, so you're against the free healthcare, free college and free income?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Call it what you want. Without taxes, the country stops moving. That's reality. Your hang up is your own. I just happen to be a realist who knows what it takes for the wheels of civilization to keep moving.

Any taxation that keeps the country "moving" is appropriate.

Any taxation that transfers (steals) money from one to another is violent theft.

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[bripat9643]

Once again the lies and straw men...Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.....A gigantic welfare/vassal state, being taxed to the point that your economies are utterly moribund, nearly non-existent economic mobility and disposable income, is greatly different from The State owning and operating the means of production.

Talk about others not knowing what socialism is.

Maher never said they were 100% Socialism. Trying to hijack what is being said won't work. Private investment is still a main ingredient in their economy. I knew that the Right would not get it.The fine line between socialism and severely regulated capitalism

You folks either aren't smart enough, or you refuse to understand the symbiotic relationship that exists between the two systems that make them so successful.

They are "symbiotic" only in the sense that a tick is symbiotic with a cow.

 

[Oddball]

Any taxation that keeps the country "moving" is appropriate.

Any taxation that transfers (steals) money from one to another is violent theft.

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Since all taxation involves the threat of violence in the end, all taxation is theft.

 

[BWK]

Once again the lies and straw men...Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.....A gigantic welfare/vassal state, being taxed to the point that your economies are utterly moribund, nearly non-existent economic mobility and disposable income, is greatly different from The State owning and operating the means of production.

Talk about others not knowing what socialism is.

Maher never said they were 100% Socialism. Trying to hijack what is being said won't work. Private investment is still a main ingredient in their economy. I knew that the Right would not get it.The fine line between socialism and severely regulated capitalism

You folks either aren't smart enough, or you refuse to understand the symbiotic relationship that exists between the two systems that make them so successful.

They are "symbiotic" only in the sense that a tick is symbiotic with a cow.

Thanks for the unintelligent rebuttal. Your contribution is nothing more than a waste of time. See you later.

 

[bripat9643]

Once again the lies and straw men...Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.....A gigantic welfare/vassal state, being taxed to the point that your economies are utterly moribund, nearly non-existent economic mobility and disposable income, is greatly different from The State owning and operating the means of production.

Talk about others not knowing what socialism is.

Maher never said they were 100% Socialism. Trying to hijack what is being said won't work. Private investment is still a main ingredient in their economy. I knew that the Right would not get it.The fine line between socialism and severely regulated capitalism

You folks either aren't smart enough, or you refuse to understand the symbiotic relationship that exists between the two systems that make them so successful.

They are "symbiotic" only in the sense that a tick is symbiotic with a cow.

Thanks for the unintelligent rebuttal. Your contribution is nothing more than a waste of time. See you later.

What's "unintelligent" about it? Doesn't government get all it's revenue from private business in one form or another?

 

[BWK]

Any taxation that keeps the country "moving" is appropriate.

Any taxation that transfers (steals) money from one to another is violent theft.

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Since all taxation involves the threat of violence in the end, all taxation is theft.

In the world of utter nonsense, you just made a great case. If by paying taxes to fund roads and bridges is "theft", you just created a new definition for "theft." Lol!

 

[BWK]

Call it what you want. Without taxes, the country stops moving. That's reality. Your hang up is your own. I just happen to be a realist who knows what it takes for the wheels of civilization to keep moving.

Any taxation that keeps the country "moving" is appropriate.

Any taxation that transfers (steals) money from one to another is violent theft.

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The only taxation I have been talking about is your previous example, not the latter.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The only taxation I have been talking about is your previous example, not the latter.

Taxation and spending for the necessary mutual benefit of all?

Examples:
Military Defense
Courts
Police
Fire

Those are designed to benefit all citizens equally (I know they don't always do so).

Welfare (corporate or individual) and Competitive Taxation (FedEx, UPS, etc. paying taxes to compete with USPS) are examples of theft by taxation. There are plenty more.

 

[BWK]

So, your argument is to present no argument, and attack me for spelling out what you can't argue about. Now isn't that rich. Lol!

My prediction was right. No Republican has yet presented any intelligent rebuttal to the OP I presented.

Really!? Are you that fricken stupid? You know implementing Socialism in this country would be extremely tough, lives lost and money flushed at the very least. Wouldn't it be much easier for those that want socialism to move to a country that already has socialism.

We already do. We've had it ever since FDR. The fact that you do not know the definition of Socialism is on you. Why move somewhere else when we already have it?

I could say, if we already do then STFU. But I know you loons feel this country is not socialist enough. We do have socialist type programs and you want more. If you want more, buy a one way ticket.

"Want more?" Such as? Did I ever say that? No! You invented that in your head. I only want the Socialism we have always had since FDR, and get rid of the Socialism that does me no good, like sports Socialism.

I see, so you're against the free healthcare, free college and free income?

Nothing is free, whether it is private or government. So your question has no relationship with making any sense?

Republicans have this attraction for creating these make believe scenarios in their minds, that have nothing to do with reality.

Free HC/college/freeincome, if those things existed, would not be free. We would still pay for them. So stop pretending the free stuff exists, when it never has.

 

[BWK]

The only taxation I have been talking about is your previous example, not the latter.

Taxation and spending for the necessary mutual benefit of all?

Examples:
Military Defense
Courts
Police
Fire

Those are designed to benefit all citizens equally (I know they don't always do so).

Welfare (corporate or individual) and Competitive Taxation (FedEx, UPS, etc. paying taxes to compete with USPS) are examples of theft by taxation. There are plenty more.

The majority of welfare goes to corporate. We just shelled out $2 trillion to corporate, and got nothing back, but extra debt. The percentage of individual welfare is a fraction of what corporate gets.

 

[Thinker101]

Really!? Are you that fricken stupid? You know implementing Socialism in this country would be extremely tough, lives lost and money flushed at the very least. Wouldn't it be much easier for those that want socialism to move to a country that already has socialism.

We already do. We've had it ever since FDR. The fact that you do not know the definition of Socialism is on you. Why move somewhere else when we already have it?

I could say, if we already do then STFU. But I know you loons feel this country is not socialist enough. We do have socialist type programs and you want more. If you want more, buy a one way ticket.

"Want more?" Such as? Did I ever say that? No! You invented that in your head. I only want the Socialism we have always had since FDR, and get rid of the Socialism that does me no good, like sports Socialism.

I see, so you're against the free healthcare, free college and free income?

Nothing is free, whether it is private or government. So your question has no relationship with making any sense?

Republicans have this attraction for creating these make believe scenarios in their minds, that have nothing to do with reality.

Free HC/college/freeincome, if those things existed, would not be free. We would still pay for them. So stop pretending the free stuff exists, when it never has.

Wow, nice attempt to duck the question. Many of us are quite aware that nothing is for free, yet you wacko liberals push it as free...go figure.

 

[ralfy]

Taxation is coercive in nature - there's no way around it. That's why we should minimize the practice, and only use it when it's truly necessary.

It might also help in minimizing costs. Imagine, for example, paying a toll for every street that you use.