Social Security Disability

[RetiredGySgt]

Who cares if it is not enough to "live on"?
The woman up the road lives in a 900K home.
Just because someone is poor gives them no right to my $.
Disabled means not able to walk in my book.
No wonder we are going broke. Everyone wants a check for some family member that is too lazy to work.

You are a DUMB ASS.

Sticks and stones Gunny. I have been beat up, shot at, left for dead. No worries.
What worries you?
We work for our $ here and do not like folks that can walk with no mental disabilities getting a dam cent of our $. Might be different in your area as liberals love passing out cash.
America is full of wannabe conservatives these days.
When it comes to collecting a check for a minor ailment sucking on the government tit either you are a solution to the problem or you are the problem.Which is it Gunny?
Govern yourself accordingly.

Look... Now I am a Liberal. Move over Dogbert.

 

[MaggieMae]

You are a DUMB ASS.

Sticks and stones Gunny. I have been beat up, shot at, left for dead. No worries.
What worries you?
We work for our $ here and do not like folks that can walk with no mental disabilities getting a dam cent of our $. Might be different in your area as liberals love passing out cash.
America is full of wannabe conservatives these days.
When it comes to collecting a check for a minor ailment sucking on the government tit either you are a solution to the problem or you are the problem.Which is it Gunny?
Govern yourself accordingly.

Look... Now I am a Liberal. Move over Dogbert.

You're hardly a liberal, but you sure do want to protect those government programs that you, personally, rely on. (Don't all conservatives when it comes right down to it?)

 

[Zona]

My neighbor is on it and is proud to be on it. She proudly displays her free car tag and parks in the handicapped spot every time she can.
She is on social security disability and there is not a dam thing wrong with her. She also proudly displays her conservative opinions on bumper stickers on her Denali.
This program is the fastest growing Federal program out there.
My neighbor rides horses, cuts grass on the rider and has a garden to kill for.
There is a special place in HELL for people like her.
And nothing will or can be done to stop the checks. $2200 a month in her case.

Actually there are things that can be done to stop it. Get a camera, take a few shots and head down to your local social security office.

OH and there are plenty of people on ss disability who really should be and I for one applaud the program. Its a very difficult thing to get on, and they screen very very meticulously. you go before a judge, with your lawyer and a occupational specialist of some sort.

As long as a doctor declares them disabled you could have them diving doing flips and it does no good.
The doctors are the problem.

Yeah, but just because a person is "walking" doesn't mean he cant be physically qualified to be disabled. You have no idea whats going on with his or her back, migraines, neck etc etc etc.

You seem to think being physically disabled means no legs in a wheel chair. Thats not the case all the time. I am with you with fakers, but its damn hard to get past the docs here in Arizona.

You almost automatically get turned down the first two times, then you need a lawyer, a lot of documentation from Doctors, then you go in front of a JUDGE who has an occupational expert by her side.

Its hard to fake it here.

 

[Zona]

Does not everyone over a certain age get an annual (?) letter from the SS administration saying approx what your benefits will be if... And listing how much you paid in?

I do. So does my wife.

 

[AVG-JOE]

"the question We, The People have to ask ourselves is "Do We trust Us? ""

And why should we?

Well........ Ass-U-Me-ing we want to continue living in a society with instant world-wide communication and 24 hour travel between any two populated land masses, we have to.

 

[frazzledgear]

My neighbor is on it and is proud to be on it. She proudly displays her free car tag and parks in the handicapped spot every time she can.
She is on social security disability and there is not a dam thing wrong with her. She also proudly displays her conservative opinions on bumper stickers on her Denali.
This program is the fastest growing Federal program out there.
My neighbor rides horses, cuts grass on the rider and has a garden to kill for.
There is a special place in HELL for people like her.
And nothing will or can be done to stop the checks. $2200 a month in her case.

How do you know there is nothing wrong with her? Did she TELL you there is nothing wrong with her and she duped her own doctors and the federal government or what? Is she supposed to be ASHAMED to be on disability -as if she did something wrong? It is a federally run insurance program and if you don't pay into it -you can't get it even if you become disabled. The amount a person receives is based on how much they EARNED while still working. It is not an entitlement program any more than any other kind of insurance program would be. Considering the fact I worked with all sorts of disabled patients for years and the average disability payment is now just $700 I must assume she had a hell of a good paying job before becoming disabled because that $2200 is less than 1/3 of what she used to earn each month -and is far more than that I've ever known anyone to be paid on disability. The highest I've known was $1700 a month and that person earned more than $120,000 a year before becoming disabled. So this woman had a hell of a good job before becoming disabled. Think her long term goals were to be disabled and out of a high paying job or what? Think she dreamed of the day when she would become an unproductive member of society, her talent and skills wasted because her disability meant she can't rely on them any longer?

I get tired of people assuming that all disabilities are readily visible to others and if you can't see them the individual is just malingering or faking it. From heart conditions, a slew of neurological conditions to disabling mental illness -there are more than 100 invisible and significant disabilities that can render a person incapable of supporting themselves even while looking perfectly normal and able to manage their daily lives fairly well.


Apparently you want the following to be true or you will refuse to accept it as a "real" disability:

1. It must be a blatantly obvious disability to you. If YOU aren't satisfied it is a disability, it doesn't matter what her own doctors or SSDI doctors have said about it. Which means those with all sorts of conditions, illnesses and diseases you are completely ignorant about must be denied benefits and only those with readily visible disabilities and a much narrower range of serious conditions are eligible. When those with significant but invisible disabilities still can't hold down a job, fuck 'em -kick them to the curb. Just a pack of fakers if you can't readily see their problem.

2. It isn't enough for you that the person's disability means they cannot hold down a job -they must also not be able to take care of their daily lives since you must think the only "real" disabilities also means they have no real life at all. Not only should they not enjoy any aspect of their lives or attempt to engage in any activity you have deemed "off limits" to those with disabilities, the truly disabled wouldn't even be able to brush their own teeth or get out of bed without help, right? You not only assume that all real disabilities not only render a person that helpless, it does so immediately. Anyone unable to work but not that helpless doesn't have a real disability to you. And HOW DARE that bitch try to get some enjoyment out of her life by gardening or gawd forbid, get on a horse. As if people with any and all "real" disabilities are incapable of sitting on a horse and riding it. Someone forgot to tell my sister who gives riding lessons to the DISABLED! Your medical ignorance is not only dangerous but truly inhumane to others.

3. People with "real" disabilities would never be able to enjoy or participate in ANY aspect resembling anything close to a "normal" life, right? If they still find pleasure in life and can still participate in ANY pleasurable activities that a "normal" person might also find enjoyable - that is obvious proof to you they aren't really disabled.

4. Disabled people should feel ashamed of their disabilities, HIDE that fact from friends and family and hang their head in shame that they are on disability. They are filth and the scum of society that you "caring" liberals only tolerate but certainly can't be expected to treat them like a real person! A paper bag over the head goes a long way. And if they aren't ashamed, refuse to stay hidden out of sight and still try to enjoy their lives and actually use their handicapped tag which is meant to make trying to live their lives a bit easier in the first place -it is an OUTRAGE. What a revolting and disgusting person if they refuse to stay out of sight of you "decent" people. In the old days families used to hide these people in their attics and that is where you think they belong. If they aren't, it is proof to you they aren't really disabled after all.

Disability is an insurance program -if you don't pay into it, you can't get it even if you become totally disabled. Those who haven't paid into it and are left broke due to their disability must go on Medicaid. It is EASY to get on Medicaid. It is far more difficult to get on SSDI because it isn't enough that a person's own doctor tells the SSDI board that the person is disabled. All new applications are reviewed by a medical team involving several specialties who can and do insist on further testing using their own list of doctors. No matter what a person's doctor says, if the SSDI chosen doctor says the individual is either not disabled or not yet disabled enough -that person isn't getting disability and must appeal the decision. Just like in criminal cases, most appeals LOSE. In addition the law requires that every single person on disability have their case reviewed AT LEAST every 7 years -for the express purpose of getting people OFF disability and back into the work force. For ALL conditions that have even a slight chance of improvement -that individual will automatically have their case reviewed 1-3 years depending on the nature of their illness. That review involves submitting all medical records that were accumulated since the last review and being forced to see SSDI chosen doctors if the medical records are in any way questionable or suggest improvement.

No matter what you personally think about your disabled neighbor or the fact that she can still enjoy pleasurable activities you think she shouldn't be able to if she were "really" disabled, doesn't hang her head in shame at her own disabilities, doesn't try to hide the fact she has a disabled tag (another story about how a person receives THAT) -she is far more likely than not to be truly disabled. Whether you like it or not, whether you understand the nature of her disability or not. In addition she is clearly not stupid and was NOT an unproductive member of society until her disability or she sure as hell wouldn't be receiving the kind of money she does that is more than 3 times the average disability payment.

The biggest phonies I've ever known were not on disability. They were liberals who mouth the right words so they can PRETEND to be all "caring" but in reality are anything but. I've never worked with liberals at my job. Liberals who feel moved to do this kind of work prefer helping animals. NOT people. Liberals figure using caring WORDS is enough but show their true colors all the time -including when they see someone who doesn't fit in with their own preconceived and totally ignorant notion of what is and is not "disabled". Frankly I'd rather have your disabled neighbor as my neighbor than a judgmental and ignorant fool who seems to think he is personally owed an explanation by that woman. That woman doesn't owe YOU an explanation about her condition or why you can't see or understand the nature of her disability. She was given a handicapped tag to USE it so turning around and squealing about the fact she does use it is just WEIRD. She fully satisfied the people she DID owe an explanation to and they have far greater knowledge and experience with disabilities and are fully satisfied as to the nature of this woman's disabilities. SO BUTT OUT AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

 

[Rinata]

Who cares if it is not enough to "live on"?
The woman up the road lives in a 900K home.
Just because someone is poor gives them no right to my $.
Disabled means not able to walk in my book.
No wonder we are going broke. Everyone wants a check for some family member that is too lazy to work.

After reading this entire thread, I just had to tell you something. I don't believe that you have a neighbor on disability. I think you made up the entire story.

It's obvious that you have an ax to grind. I think you applied for permanent disability and were turned down. As I said in my prior post, it is not easy to get permanent disability and I know that for a fact. And you know it also, don't you???

 

[Wyatt earp]

My neighbor is on it and is proud to be on it. She proudly displays her free car tag and parks in the handicapped spot every time she can.
She is on social security disability and there is not a dam thing wrong with her. She also proudly displays her conservative opinions on bumper stickers on her Denali.
This program is the fastest growing Federal program out there.
My neighbor rides horses, cuts grass on the rider and has a garden to kill for.
There is a special place in HELL for people like her.
And nothing will or can be done to stop the checks. $2200 a month in her case.

 

[sealybobo]

My neighbor is on it and is proud to be on it. She proudly displays her free car tag and parks in the handicapped spot every time she can.
She is on social security disability and there is not a dam thing wrong with her. She also proudly displays her conservative opinions on bumper stickers on her Denali.
This program is the fastest growing Federal program out there.
My neighbor rides horses, cuts grass on the rider and has a garden to kill for.
There is a special place in HELL for people like her.
And nothing will or can be done to stop the checks. $2200 a month in her case.

My neighbor got so fat the doctor said, "you're gonna die". So he helped her get on disability. Ok fine. I'm not going to pick on why she's disabled. She's just so fat that she can't work to support herself. So she qualified for it.

She had tons of problems and medicare is taking care of all her needs and problems. And that's fine too.

Here's the kicker. She got a gym membership to lose weight. She's losing weight. Now she can walk. Soon she'll be healthy enough to go back o work and get off disability. But she doesn't want to go back to work. Will the government re evaluate her? I think if they did it now they'd say she still can't work but if she loses another 50 pounds, why can't she work?

And disability thinks she can barely walk. If they knew she was going to a gym and working out, they wouldn't like that. But that makes no sense to me. You would think they would like to hear she's working out and losing weight. And not cut her off because she's in the process of losing weight. But if she loses the weight, how is she going to explain why she still can't work?

 

[sealybobo]

I live in a seasonal community where unemployment is abused as well. Many people work in the summer long enough to qualify and then get paid under the table during the winter months. NJ is very lax with enforcement. We had a kid quit to work for his brother in law and collect DUI under our acct. My husband took photos of him working and told the people he did not get laid off, he quit. Their response was "don't care".

That's why I'd like that info public. At least neighbors and employers would be aware of the grifters, because the govt just doesn't care. Why would they?

My neighbor is worried another neighbor who hates her is going to call disability and turn her in. But you're saying the government won't even look into it? I think they will today.

 

[sealybobo]

After reading this entire thread, I just had to tell you something. I don't believe that you have a neighbor on disability. I think you made up the entire story.

It's obvious that you have an ax to grind. I think you applied for permanent disability and were turned down. As I said in my prior post, it is not easy to get permanent disability and I know that for a fact. And you know it also, don't you???

I'm not making it up about my neighbor. She said, "even if I lose the weight I don't ever want to go back to work. I'm retired as far as I'm concerned". She loves it. It's not a lot of money but it pays her bills. And I don't know how she does it but she's always ordering shit off Amazon. Like she has money. Perhaps she's spending the money she made when she sold her condo. I didn't think she made any money off selling her condo but what do I know.

Anyways, it's funny because she's Chaldean and my sister in law is a PT in Dearborn, MI. The US Capitol of Arabs. She says they are all abusing the system. They are very good at gaming the system. They know how to go after and get every benefit. Where us white Americans never even consider taking advantage of those benefits. In fact we are shocked at what they get for free.

I wish we could figure out how much fraud and abuse is happening with this social safety net.

 

[bendog]

I'm not making it up about my neighbor. She said, "even if I lose the weight I don't ever want to go back to work. I'm retired as far as I'm concerned". She loves it. It's not a lot of money but it pays her bills. And I don't know how she does it but she's always ordering shit off Amazon. Like she has money. Perhaps she's spending the money she made when she sold her condo. I didn't think she made any money off selling her condo but what do I know.

Anyways, it's funny because she's Chaldean and my sister in law is a PT in Dearborn, MI. The US Capitol of Arabs. She says they are all abusing the system. They are very good at gaming the system. They know how to go after and get every benefit. Where us white Americans never even consider taking advantage of those benefits. In fact we are shocked at what they get for free.

I wish we could figure out how much fraud and abuse is happening with this social safety net.

Oh no White Americans finagle onto Soc Sec Disablity. Never happens. LOL

No racism in these posts.

 

[sealybobo]

Oh no White Americans finagle onto Soc Sec Disablity. Never happens. LOL

No racism in these posts.

Oh I'm sure a lot do it but I'm telling you from personal perspective that in Metro Detroit, which is the capitol as far as Arab Americans are concerned, these first and second generation arabs really know how to take advantage of the system.

They're smart. Shady, but smart.

Sorry if the truth sounds racist. I know a Physical Therapist in Dearborn MI. She says it seems like EVERY arab who comes in does not have private insurance or insurance through an employer. They're all on disability.

An estimated 36 percent of the very poor escaped extreme poverty because of social safety nets, providing clear evidence that social safety net programs—which include cash, in-kind transfers, social pensions, public works, and school feeding programs targeted to poor and vulnerable households—are making a substantial impact in the global fight against poverty.

These people work for the family business. They don't show an income and they don't have insurance because they don't want to pay taxes on the income and they know the government will pay for their medical care.

 

[sealybobo]

Oh no White Americans finagle onto Soc Sec Disablity. Never happens. LOL

No racism in these posts.

I'd like to know if a larger than normal number of muslim immigrants take advantage of social safety nets more so than other groups.

I'll be honest. My girlfriends sister came from Belarus with her "husband" and 2 kids. They said they were married, but they were already set to get a divorce before they came, so they lied. They borrowed $50K to show they were coming with money, which they didn't actually have.

So now her white kids get Obamacare, free lunch, everything.

You're right. It's not just Arabs.

Didn't the Republicans once propose that you can't get social safety nets until you've been here over 5 years? I wish they'd bring that back. Actually, if you weren't born here the rule should be no social safety nets PERIOD. If you aren't making it here, go back.

 

[bendog]

I'd like to know if a larger than normal number of muslim immigrants take advantage of social safety nets more so than other groups.

I'll be honest. My girlfriends sister came from Belarus with her "husband" and 2 kids. They said they were married, but they were already set to get a divorce before they came, so they lied. They borrowed $50K to show they were coming with money, which they didn't actually have.

So now her white kids get Obamacare, free lunch, everything.

You're right. It's not just Arabs.

Didn't the Republicans once propose that you can't get social safety nets until you've been here over 5 years? I wish they'd bring that back. Actually, if you weren't born here the rule should be no social safety nets PERIOD. If you aren't making it here, go back.

bye

 

[sealybobo]

bye

bye

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

My neighbor is on it and is proud to be on it. She proudly displays her free car tag and parks in the handicapped spot every time she can.
She is on social security disability and there is not a dam thing wrong with her. She also proudly displays her conservative opinions on bumper stickers on her Denali.
This program is the fastest growing Federal program out there.
My neighbor rides horses, cuts grass on the rider and has a garden to kill for.
There is a special place in HELL for people like her.
And nothing will or can be done to stop the checks. $2200 a month in her case.

And yet **I** am DENIED anything and everything!
I don't have a job, I don't have insurance, I have several medical problems that will just get worse with age, and I'm on several medications I will have to take the rest of my life.
And on top of that, I'm restricted to the kind of job I can get.

But yet I'm told by SSI that I none of my medical problems are "bad enough" to get SSI.
I've talked to lawyers and several doctors.

I've come to the conclusion that SSI is based on RACE, not medical problems or age.

I see blacks driving $70K+ SUV's around, with handicapped plates, and theres not one muthafukkin thing WRONG with them, except that they are CRIMINALS! They hop out of their SUV's or fugly Caddilacs, Mercedes, or Beemers, and RUN into the store, then RUN back out to their vehicles in their Gucci outfits and $500 haircuts!!

And I can't even get some fucking help to pay my rent!!!

 

[Ridgerunner]

Social Security is self supporting

So was my Uncle Archie, but he was a alcoholic and always drank up his 'rockin chair'...

 

[bendog]

And yet **I** am DENIED anything and everything!
I don't have a job, I don't have insurance, I have several medical problems that will just get worse with age, and I'm on several medications I will have to take the rest of my life.
And on top of that, I'm restricted to the kind of job I can get.

But yet I'm told by SSI that I none of my medical problems are "bad enough" to get SSI.
I've talked to lawyers and several doctors.

I've come to the conclusion that SSI is based on RACE, not medical problems or age.

I see blacks driving $70K+ SUV's around, with handicapped plates, and theres not one muthafukkin thing WRONG with them, except that they are CRIMINALS! They hop out of their SUV's or fugly Caddilacs, Mercedes, or Beemers, and RUN into the store, then RUN back out to their vehicles in their Gucci outfits and $500 haircuts!!

And I can't even get some fucking help to pay my rent!!!

Seriously, if you can't find an SSI lawyer to take your case on a contingency basis, you most likely don't have a meritorious claim. I did some for free for kids who got kicked off back in the 1990s

 

[sealybobo]

And yet **I** am DENIED anything and everything!
I don't have a job, I don't have insurance, I have several medical problems that will just get worse with age, and I'm on several medications I will have to take the rest of my life.
And on top of that, I'm restricted to the kind of job I can get.

But yet I'm told by SSI that I none of my medical problems are "bad enough" to get SSI.
I've talked to lawyers and several doctors.

I've come to the conclusion that SSI is based on RACE, not medical problems or age.

I see blacks driving $70K+ SUV's around, with handicapped plates, and theres not one muthafukkin thing WRONG with them, except that they are CRIMINALS! They hop out of their SUV's or fugly Caddilacs, Mercedes, or Beemers, and RUN into the store, then RUN back out to their vehicles in their Gucci outfits and $500 haircuts!!

And I can't even get some fucking help to pay my rent!!!

They had better lawyers than you or perhaps they had black case workers who helped them more than your case worker helped you?

My neighbor is just fat and lazy. I don't even know what she would do if they cut her off. She ran salons but who knows if anyone will hire her to do that now. She could go back to cutting hair but how much would she make?

Ultimately, I don't care about all that. What pisses me off is she got on disability because she got too fat to work. Her fault. Now she's losing weight and doesn't want to lose her disability. That's kind of pathetic, but I get it. She's basically retired at 50. I'm 51 and hoping to retire at 62. She won. LOL