Zone1 Social security a socialist program supported by the Trump administration ?

[beagle9]

I have questions for Americans in this country, and they are questions concerning Social Security and it's socialist leanings when it looks at all working class Americans as being somehow equal when it comes to their retirement and qualifications for benefits in this nation from very diverse career field's.

Should worker's that do job's that wear their bodies and mind's out quicker, be subjected to a "socialist blanketed standard" that wrongfully holds them to the same age restrictions concerning the qualification for benefits as those who are working in fields that weren't as grueling on the body and mind ??? Let's say a person that worked in fields or careers that were in no way as taxing on the minds and bodies of other individuals, should they be the examples for those who are worn out and needing relief earlier in life than the one's mentioned who had it way easier ?

Think about the diversity in career fields, and consider the jobs being worked for year's until it's time for relief to come in the form of rerirement, otherwise at least before the person drops dead on the job because of being completely worn out in life.

Let's face it everyone, this bull chit is nothing but a way for the business sector to attempt to retain skilled employee's at a time when this nation has failed it's youth by not preparing them to enter the workforces in a balancing way......Instead of keeping the entrance and exiting balanced in a way that makes it all flow as it should be, they want to group all seniors into one basket for budgeting reasons while wasting money in other ways.

When are Americans going to see through the bull chit, and realize that these people are not working in your best interest when it comes to this stuff ?

So why is it so blatant that they are actually lying straight to your face when it comes to them attempting to rob you of your retirement by forcing you into staying on a job until you almost drop dead for your slave masters , otherwise who are the engineers of these ideas in hopes to benefit themselves at your peril ???

Did not the republicans rebuke Niki Haley in the republican debates when she was running on raising the age of retirement to 70 year's old ??

When are you people going to stop being fooled by these people ???

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

beagle9, I hear you.

But our system is built on the dollar and not the various efforts.

We are capitalists not socialists.

 

[beagle9]

beagle9, I hear you.

But our system is built on the dollar and not the various efforts.

We are capitalists not socialists.

Yes we are capitalist, but we also utilize socialist program's and such in ways to preserve capitalist wealth for the wealthy who don't want to share that wealth in ways that upholds a proper decently run civilized retirement plan for those who worked hard in life to give them the wealth that was generated by a capitalist system in their favor.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes we are capitalist, but we also utilize socialist program's and such in ways to preserve capitalist wealth for the wealthy who don't want to share that wealth in ways that upholds a proper decently run civilized retirement plan for those who worked hard in life to give them the wealth that was generated by a capitalist system in their favor.

The value of SS reward is based on the dollar not the labor contributed. Socialism has little or nothing to do with it.

 

[beagle9]

The value of SS reward is based on the dollar not the labor contributed. Socialism has little or nothing to do with it.

I'm not only saying this stuff for the seniors who are effected now, but I'm saying it for the younger generation who are going to be screwed big time bad by the time they get to retirement age which should be 65 regardless of what generation they come from, and they should be aware of all of the bull chit being set up by a greedy generation that don't give a dam about the young folks or the seniors in the future, but only give a dam about themselves and their wealth based upon many factors being fabricated or not that are involved right now.

They can support sending untold wealth to a nation that is trying it's hardest to drag us into WW3, but dam the seniors and future generations of this country. It's truly a sick betrayal of the seniors and young generations who are supposed to be led by example, yet what kind of messages and examples are the youth getting when they see their elders being crapped on after contributing to this so called grand experiment all of their life, but getting chit on in the end ?

 

[beagle9]

beagle9, I hear you.

But our system is built on the dollar and not the various efforts.

We are capitalists not socialists.

Everybody knows this stuff, but you miss the point altogether...

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

I'm not only saying this stuff for the seniors who are effected now, but I'm saying it for the younger generation who are going to be screwed big time bad by the time they get to retirement age which should be 65 regardless of what generation they come from, and they should be aware of all of the bull chit being set up by a greedy generation that don't give a dam about the young folks or the seniors in the future, but only give a dam about themselves and their wealth based upon many factors being fabricated or not that are involved right now.

They can support sending untold wealth to a nation that is trying it's hardest to drag us into WW3, but dam the seniors and future generations of this country. It's truly a sick betrayal of the seniors and young generations who are supposed to be led by example, yet what kind of messages and examples are the youth getting when they see their elders being crapped on after contributing to this so called grand experiment all of their life, but getting chit on in the end ?

"They can support sending untold wealth to a nation that is trying it's hardest to drag us into WW3,"

Ukraine ? You can't be talking about Israel we give the Jews around 3.8 billion a year. We have sent over 180 billion dollars to the Ukrainians in the last 4 years.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I'm not only saying this stuff for the seniors who are effected now, but I'm saying it for the younger generation who are going to be screwed big time bad by the time they get to retirement age which should be 65 regardless of what generation they come from, and they should be aware of all of the bull chit being set up by a greedy generation that don't give a dam about the young folks or the seniors in the future, but only give a dam about themselves and their wealth based upon many factors being fabricated or not that are involved right now.

They can support sending untold wealth to a nation that is trying it's hardest to drag us into WW3, but dam the seniors and future generations of this country. It's truly a sick betrayal of the seniors and young generations who are supposed to be led by example, yet what kind of messages and examples are the youth getting when they see their elders being crapped on after contributing to this so called grand experiment all of their life, but getting chit on in the end ?

No need for anyone to be 'screwed' at all.

As you well know, it is easily fixable.

 

[beagle9]

"They can support sending untold wealth to a nation that is trying it's hardest to drag us into WW3,"

Ukraine ? You can't be talking about Israel we give the Jews around 3.8 billion a year. We have sent over 180 billion dollars to the Ukrainians in the last 4 years.

Yes Ukraine.. Besides the point, the betrayal of the seniors and the future young generations by not properly fixing the SS system, and doing so in a way that insures a reward of retirement benefits to those who worked hard and long in this country within a time frame that allows seniors to enjoy a little relief after years of being patriotic citizens, should definitely be seen as appropriately so in one of the wealthiest nation's in the world. Seniors shouldn't have to wait to be rewarded for that consistency and hard work to pay off before they are just before falling dead in their grave.

 

[beagle9]

No need for anyone to be 'screwed' at all.

As you well know, it is easily fixable.

Hope it is fixed, because betraying our seniors is unexceptable, and the young generation should be paying close attention to it themselves.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Yes Ukraine.. Besides the point, the betrayal of the seniors and the future young generations by not properly fixing the SS system, and doing so in a way that insures a reward of retirement benefits to those who worked hard and long in this country within a time frame that allows seniors to enjoy a little relief after years of being patriotic citizens, should definitely be seen as appropriately so in one of the wealthiest nation's in the world. Seniors shouldn't have to wait to be rewarded for that consistency and hard work to pay off before they are just before falling dead in their grave.

Social Security is the biggest Ponzi scheme in history.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Social Security is the biggest Ponzi scheme in history.

TK165 has no idea as usual. Nothing to see here, folks, move along.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

TK165 has no idea as usual. Nothing to see here, folks, move along.

A Ponzi scheme is an investment fraud that pays existing investors with funds collected from new investors.


"The money current workers pay into the Social Security system via taxes is being paid out to current retirees, not being held for the future"

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10024.pdf

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

A Ponzi scheme is an investment fraud that pays existing investors with funds collected from new investors.


"The money current workers pay into the Social Security system via taxes is being paid out to current retirees, not being held for the future"

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10024.pdf

That is not SS.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

That is not SS.

Riiiiight. I made my point and backed it up with a Government document. Your argument against is basically nuh-uh.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Riiiiight. I made my point and backed it up with a Government document. Your argument against is basically nuh-uh.

Your point is meaningless. SS is based on dollar units, not cooperation or communalism, and it is not a Ponzi scheme.

 

[Captain Caveman]

beagle9, I hear you.

But our system is built on the dollar and not the various efforts.

We are capitalists not socialists.

States pension is a social programme and not socialist.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Not sure how it works in the US, but in the UK, you contribute to the state pension through your wage called National Insurance. Your state pension is determined by the number of years you've contributed. You need 30 years on the old system and 35 on the new system.

When you qualify for state pension, the taxation the government receives covers the payments, there is no funds, no pot of money.

With a private pension, the pot of money is invested in property to rent out for rent income, into company shares to receive dividends etc.. The income from investments pays your monthly pension contributions. And this is where Lefties in the UK are clueless, they think rents, dividends etc.. are nasty and just pay the rich.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Your point is meaningless. SS is based on dollar units, not cooperation or communalism, and it is not a Ponzi scheme.

"The money current workers pay into the Social Security system via taxes is being paid out to current retirees, not being held for the future"

Text book definition of a Ponzi scheme.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

"The money current workers pay into the Social Security system via taxes is being paid out to current retirees, not being held for the future"

Text book definition of a Ponzi scheme.

No talk of "socialism" overcomes my point that the valuation is the dollar not the type of work.