Social Democracy

[Nostra]

The shithole Kanada is a worse polluter than the USA.

Dragonlady clean up your shithole before you break the Earth.

 

[Mac1958]

There is endless roars on this forum about how evil social democracy is... I just wanted to compare what modern day Western European Democracy looks like and what Social Democracy looks like...

Definitions are always like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall, but it's even more difficult when we're as comically divided as we are now. For Trumpsters, anything to the left of libertarianism is evil Satan commie (except for when Trump does it, of course), so trying to explain it is wasted effort.

It would be nice if all concerned could work together to identify a point along the spectrum between the two ends.

 

[westwall]

Can you state what metrics you use to asses standard of living?

Just what it says. According to the BBC, the English citizens standard of living is lower than the citizens in our poorest state.

 

[CowboyTed]

You fools just never understand that when you give government too much control to run everything, government makes it so that there is no escape from that control and it rules with an iron fist. If you get too close to a black hole it just sucks you in. And, that control makes it so that you get very comfortable just sitting back and doing nothing and letting Big Brother take care of you. You depend on it to completely run your lives.

EU don't seem to have a problem...

EU got better election systems and have more constrained constitutions... US complain about the Government overreach while having a Constitution which is tiny, dead (i.e. not update regularly) and is interpreted to the eyeballs by a bunch of unelected political appointments.
The US voting system is antique at this stage... One man one voting is ridiculous in this day and age... It creates two parties who can be hijacked by nature and fear of the other side..

So this 'Big Government' can be used as a fear tactic to scare people... Independent thinker you are fearmongering that Government will take over, instead of saying, we need Government working for the citizens...

So if you see the Government actually helping you want to reject it, in fear that they could control you. You have been conditioned to live your life in fear of people you could help you...

Contrast that to Europe, Governments work for the people and they are very clear about that... The police are government workers for you, politicians are rewarded for working for the people and because the voting system, don't work for the people and you're out... There is no such thing as a safe seat for your party in most cases...
Politicians in Europe have to face the opposition once a week to answer questions... PM's can be voted out in the morning by their own party and they will do it.

 

[CowboyTed]

Move to Germany,

So you can't engage, this one is tough... Might involve actual real discussion..

 

[Nostra]

So you can't engage, this one is tough... Might involve actual real discussion..

Nothing to discuss.

You hate America.

Move, Simp.

 

[CowboyTed]

Definitions are always like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall, but it's even more difficult when we're as comically divided as we are now. For Trumpsters, anything to the left of libertarianism is evil Satan commie (except for when Trump does it, of course), so trying to explain it is wasted effort.

It would be nice if all concerned could work together to identify a point along the spectrum between the two ends.

Generally in Europe it is considered as a balancing act... Some issues can be solved by Government/Social/Left solution, some issues by Private/Capitalist/Right solution...
Anyone saying all Capitalism or Socialism is evil is dutifully thought an idiot as they take one of your possible solutions off the market and tie your hands...

An example in Ireland at the moment is wind turbines... The Government doesn't want to build them, they a local issue disaster, while they need to be done (Ireland is the windiest place in Europe) and they stop Ireland importing 100% of its oil... So they got Private companies to do it...
Now the people are asking why private companies are getting record profits from wind (which Irish people consider they own).

It's a balancing act, everyone has various ways of making the cake... Copying each other in Europe is actually encouraged by the people, politicians love presenting an idea and tell people how it worked really well in Sweden or Finland (or even US, robbed a few over the years)...

But the main concept ie, this government better work for us (the people) or they are gone...

P.S. Money in politics is massively curtailed... Every donation and expenditure is capped and monitored... Political ads from independent orgs are just banned and the platform TV station, Newspaper, Radio... is heavily fined and could loose their licence if there is even a mention of an issue or party... Social media and online is getting more and more restricted... BTW, really welcomed by the people, they hate mindless ads, it means the best exposure is in debates and Parliament question time...

 

[CowboyTed]

Just what it says. According to the BBC, the English citizens standard of living is lower than the citizens in our poorest state.

Brexit, already explained... They moved away from Social Democracy but they are coming back...

 

[CowboyTed]

Nothing to discuss.

You hate America.

Move, Simp.

So anyone who disagrees with you hate America...

US is full of Social Democratic policies and programs...

Medicare, Medicaid, Roads, Bridges, US Military, National Parks,.... List is pretty endless...

When tax payers pay for something that all people can use, that is Social Contract working...
This short wires some people because they have said all socialism is wrong but this is OK because it works... So they try and convince themselves that the local police force isn't socialism, well they ain't private and they are paid by your taxes...

So Nostra why do you hate America?

 

[Nostra]

So anyone who disagrees with you hate America...

US is full of Social Democratic policies and programs...

Medicare, Medicaid, Roads, Bridges, US Military, National Parks,.... List is pretty endless...

When tax payers pay for something that all people can use, that is Social Contract working...
This short wires some people because they have said all socialism is wrong but this is OK because it works... So they try and convince themselves that the local police force isn't socialism, well they ain't private and they are paid by your taxes...

So Nostra why do you hate America?

We are a Representative Republic, not some “social democracy”, Simp.


The US Constitution proves you are a moron.

Next?

 

[CowboyTed]

Funny how you believe what the Chicoms tell you.

Since 2000 the US has dropped emissions 34%, meanwhile your Chicom handlers have increased theirs 224%.

Next?

Any chance you could not use racist slurs...

You might think it is acceptable in your company but generally speaking in normal company you sound disgusting... This kind of language wouldn't be accepted from a child...

So do you want to rephrase your comment like a grown up..

 

[CowboyTed]

Dimtards say we need to be more like Europe, but they are #1 on the polluter list.


Oops!


Cool thread, Short Bus.





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US is a larger polluter than EU per capita by a long way...

 

[CowboyTed]

We are a Representative Republic, not some “social democracy”, Simp.


The US Constitution proves you are a moron.

Next?

Again, you fail to understand how to behave in civilised company...

You do this after showing you clear ignorance of what Social Democracy is.... US Constitution clear allows for Social programs in General Welfare but more importantly, no where does it ban the Government from helping its own citizens.

So far you are really only showing us your ignorance of the topic and incapability to talk civil to people...

How long has this inability to talk in this uncivilised manner happened...

 

[Nostra]

Any chance you could not use racist slurs...

You might think it is acceptable in your company but generally speaking in normal company you sound disgusting... This kind of language wouldn't be accepted from a child...

So do you want to rephrase your comment like a grown up..

What race did I mention?

 

[Nostra]

Again, you fail to understand how to behave in civilised company...

You do this after showing you clear ignorance of what Social Democracy is.... US Constitution clear allows for Social programs in General Welfare but more importantly, no where does it ban the Government from helping its own citizens.

So far you are really only showing us your ignorance of the topic and incapability to talk civil to people...

How long has this inability to talk in this uncivilised manner happened...

Your ignorance of our founding is expected, and laughed at.

 

[j-mac]

Definitions are always like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall, but it's even more difficult when we're as comically divided as we are now. For Trumpsters, anything to the left of libertarianism is evil Satan commie (except for when Trump does it, of course), so trying to explain it is wasted effort.

It would be nice if all concerned could work together to identify a point along the spectrum between the two ends.

Oh give me a break, and STFU already! You speak of nailing Jell-O to the wall, yet you won't even engage in conversation with anyone to the right of outright communism....It would be nice if you just found somewhere else to drop your idiocy on.....

 

[Nostra]

Oh give me a break, and STFU already! You speak of nailing Jell-O to the wall, yet you won't even engage in conversation with anyone to the right of outright communism....It would be nice if you just found somewhere else to drop your idiocy on.....

Mac is a mental midget.

Stands in the background and barks lunacy and then refuses to back it up.

 

[j-mac]

Mac is a mental midget.

Stands in the background and barks lunacy and then refuses to back it up.

Well, that could be said of quite a few of them in here, however Mac1958 is another breed. He really contributes zero to any topic he enters, and has no intention of doing what this site was founded to do...So, why they don't just boot him is beyond me....He contributes nothing.

 

[westwall]

Brexit, already explained... They moved away from Social Democracy but they are coming back...

So, the UK was so dependent on Europe than it can no longer support itself.

Seems like Marxist policies suck.

 

[CowboyTed]

What race did I mention?

You used the term 'Chicoms'...

You don't even get it? You do really expose your lack of knowledge on how to behave...

This isn't a good thing... It is pretty sad really...