So Palestinians descended from ancient Jews, huh?

[amity1844]

until you can show us where this has appeared in a scientific journal and what conferences were held with specialists in this field, I think the majority of us can let this go in one ear and out the other. After all, this would certainly be something that these experts in the field of genetics would be interested in. Meanwhile, carry on like you were some kind of Information Minister for the Palestinian government. Meanwhile, I will go with the British officials who observed all these so-called Palestinians arriving from elsewhere.

Okay, thanks to Tzvi Misinai, I have a partial citation. The English translation (yes, there is one):

The studies you asked about appear in English as follows (but there is more about additonal supporting studies): 1. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne-Tamir PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA(, Volume

I'm going to ask him to repeat to get the rest.
Now I know where to look and will identify it fully iwithn a few weeks.

 

[waltky]

Actually they descended from the Philistines.

 

[Roudy]

I'm not a geneticist but with my limited back ground in medicine it seems that Bedouin and palestinians have the highest presence of the J1 DNA group, which places them south and east of the levant.
>>A second diffusion of the J1 marker took place in the seventh century CE when Arabians brought it from Arabia to North Africa......... Palestinians, like Jordanians, Syrians, Iraqis, and Bedouins have what appears to be substantial gene flow from sub-Saharan Africa. <<

Genetic Evidence for the Expansion of Arabian Tribes into the Southern Levant and North Africa

I don't think Dr. Oppenheim was denying input of other groups. Her point was that Palestinians mainly descend (80% - 85%) from ancient Jews, that's all.

That's quite a feat when there isn't even a definition of who, what, when and where a Palestinian people is.

 

[Phoenall]

I know, yes, you said that. But apparently the influx did not leave a significant genetic legacy behind. Maybe the immigrants weren't a big number compared to the larger population, maybe they all went home at the end. when the economies were again separated. But it does sound like the allegation that Palestinians largely came from elsewhere is spurious.

And after all, "Amity" did not do this genetic study, an Israeli geneticist did, and it puts all other theories to rest.

Did it or is this just your personal POV, what about the next study that someone else claims is the one that puts all the others to rest. Why cant the historical record be the fact that under Ottoman rule the Ottomans tried to populate Palestine with arab muslims and each time they left after finding the conditions to harsh. This led to the Ottomans inviting the Jews to return and work the land as full owners. So you see the "Palestinians" are relatively recent migrants to the land with barely 175 years of occupancy in the majority of cases

 

[Phoenall]

I know, yes, you said that. But apparently the influx did not leave a significant genetic legacy behind. Maybe the immigrants weren't a big number compared to the larger population, maybe they all went home at the end. when the economies were again separated. But it does sound like the allegation that Palestinians largely came from elsewhere is spurious.

You can blabber about this ad nauseam, Amity, as you are hoping that hundreds of new posters will come to this forum each day to pick up your stuff, but until you can show us where this has appeared in a scientific journal and what conferences were held with specialists in this field, I think the majority of us can let this go in one ear and out the other. After all, this would certainly be something that these experts in the field of genetics would be interested in. Meanwhile, carry on like you were some kind of Information Minister for the Palestinian government. Meanwhile, I will go with the British officials who observed all these so-called Palestinians arriving from elsewhere.

She is intentionally ignoring the historical facts that the influx amounted to a 100% increase in the arab muslim population so must have had some bearing on the genetics of the region. The false premise that the migrants must have gone home would have meant that the females were having triplets every 9 months of their fertile life to achieve the demographics that we see today.

 

[Phoenall]

until you can show us where this has appeared in a scientific journal and what conferences were held with specialists in this field, I think the majority of us can let this go in one ear and out the other. After all, this would certainly be something that these experts in the field of genetics would be interested in. Meanwhile, carry on like you were some kind of Information Minister for the Palestinian government. Meanwhile, I will go with the British officials who observed all these so-called Palestinians arriving from elsewhere.

Okay, thanks to Tzvi Misinai, I have a partial citation. The English translation (yes, there is one):

The studies you asked about appear in English as follows (but there is more about additonal supporting studies): 1. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne-Tamir PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA(, Volume

I'm going to ask him to repeat to get the rest.
Now I know where to look and will identify it fully iwithn a few weeks.

So were in this does it say that the inhabitants of arab muslim Palestine are descendants of the Jews from before 637 C.E. After this date the arab muslims forced conversion on to the Jewish population and took their females as sex slaves. This in itself is enough to show a small amount of certain haplotypes in the greater arab muslim population.

 

[Roudy]

until you can show us where this has appeared in a scientific journal and what conferences were held with specialists in this field, I think the majority of us can let this go in one ear and out the other. After all, this would certainly be something that these experts in the field of genetics would be interested in. Meanwhile, carry on like you were some kind of Information Minister for the Palestinian government. Meanwhile, I will go with the British officials who observed all these so-called Palestinians arriving from elsewhere.

Okay, thanks to Tzvi Misinai, I have a partial citation. The English translation (yes, there is one):

The studies you asked about appear in English as follows (but there is more about additonal supporting studies): 1. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne-Tamir PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA(, Volume

I'm going to ask him to repeat to get the rest.
Now I know where to look and will identify it fully iwithn a few weeks.

So were in this does it say that the inhabitants of arab muslim Palestine are descendants of the Jews from before 637 C.E. After this date the arab muslims forced conversion on to the Jewish population and took their females as sex slaves. This in itself is enough to show a small amount of certain haplotypes in the greater arab muslim population.

Let's not forget that Mohammad their prophet committed genocide and ethnic cleansing on the ancient Jews of Medina. In fact one of Mohammad's wives was indeed a Jew. It is possible that Jewish genes entered the Muslim pool during one of these Islamic barbarisms.

 

[aris2chat]

I'm not a geneticist but with my limited back ground in medicine it seems that Bedouin and palestinians have the highest presence of the J1 DNA group, which places them south and east of the levant.
>>A second diffusion of the J1 marker took place in the seventh century CE when Arabians brought it from Arabia to North Africa......... Palestinians, like Jordanians, Syrians, Iraqis, and Bedouins have what appears to be substantial gene flow from sub-Saharan Africa. <<

Genetic Evidence for the Expansion of Arabian Tribes into the Southern Levant and North Africa

I don't think Dr. Oppenheim was denying input of other groups. Her point was that Palestinians mainly descend (80% - 85%) from ancient Jews, that's all.

no, that arab tribe from the south move into the levant.

 

[Sally]

until you can show us where this has appeared in a scientific journal and what conferences were held with specialists in this field, I think the majority of us can let this go in one ear and out the other. After all, this would certainly be something that these experts in the field of genetics would be interested in. Meanwhile, carry on like you were some kind of Information Minister for the Palestinian government. Meanwhile, I will go with the British officials who observed all these so-called Palestinians arriving from elsewhere.

Okay, thanks to Tzvi Misinai, I have a partial citation. The English translation (yes, there is one):

The studies you asked about appear in English as follows (but there is more about additonal supporting studies): 1. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne-Tamir PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA(, Volume

I'm going to ask him to repeat to get the rest.
Now I know where to look and will identify it fully iwithn a few weeks.

Ms. Minister of Arab Propaganda, how about we all say hello to those who are genetically the closest to us? After all, being 99% genetically similar is not something to sneeze at. Hey, maybe Amity is really a bonobo typiing away like crazy because she works for bananas.

Bonobos Join Chimps as Closest Human Relatives | Science/AAAS | News

 

[Sally]

Okay, thanks to Tzvi Misinai, I have a partial citation. The English translation (yes, there is one):


I'm going to ask him to repeat to get the rest.
Now I know where to look and will identify it fully iwithn a few weeks.

So were in this does it say that the inhabitants of arab muslim Palestine are descendants of the Jews from before 637 C.E. After this date the arab muslims forced conversion on to the Jewish population and took their females as sex slaves. This in itself is enough to show a small amount of certain haplotypes in the greater arab muslim population.

Let's not forget that Mohammad their prophet committed genocide and ethnic cleansing on the ancient Jews of Medina. In fact one of Mohammad's wives was indeed a Jew. It is possible that Jewish genes entered the Muslim pool during one of these Islamic barbarisms.

I think it is quite obvious, Roudy, with all her genetics shtick is that she is working toward getting all these so-called Palestinians (most of whom weren't even born in the area) to be looked upon as being descendents of Jews so that they will be allowed back into Israel to take over Israel from being governed by Jews to be governed by Muslims, just like we see in the rest of the Middle East. She, of course, is not interested at all as to what is happening to the descendents of the early Christians in the other Middle Eastern countries, no matter how many of them are harassed and murdered. God forbig she should ask her friends to have some tolerance for those non Muslims in the Middle East.

 

[amity1844]

So were in this does it say that the inhabitants of arab muslim Palestine are descendants of the Jews from before 637 C.E. After this date the arab muslims forced conversion on to the Jewish population and took their females as sex slaves. This in itself is enough to show a small amount of certain haplotypes in the greater arab muslim population.

Hey, look, I am descended from Viking rapists. No kidding, I'm English and Scottish in ancestry, but almost 1/2 of my genome is Scandinavian. That is a MUCH bigger percentage than the non-Jewish ancestry of the Palestinian Arabs. History happens, that's all. We are just looking at the genetics of those who describe themselves as Palestinians vis-à-vis the ancient Jewish haplogroups. We aren't making judgments, and I doubt you can document the sex slave allegations. if you can through a scholarly article, go ahead and post.

And as the videos I posted earlier show, the process of conversion is still going on to this day, it didn't all happen in the 7th century.

 

[Sally]

So were in this does it say that the inhabitants of arab muslim Palestine are descendants of the Jews from before 637 C.E. After this date the arab muslims forced conversion on to the Jewish population and took their females as sex slaves. This in itself is enough to show a small amount of certain haplotypes in the greater arab muslim population.

Hey, look, I am descended from Viking rapists. No kidding, I'm English and Scottish in ancestry, but almost 1/2 of my genome is Scandinavian. That is a MUCH bigger percentage than the non-Jewish ancestry of the Palestinian Arabs. History happens, that's all. We are just looking at the genetics of those who describe themselves as Palestinians vis-à-vis the ancient Jewish haplogroups. We aren't making judgments, and I doubt you can document the sex slave allegations. if you can through a scholarly article, go ahead and post.

And as the videos I posted earlier show, the process of conversion is still going on to this day, it didn't all happen in the 7th century.

We all know that people convert from one religion to another or become atheists all the time, even now in the 21st century. However, can you possibly show us where people other than your friends are busy kidnapping, raping and forcing into Islam the way we see it happen to Coptic Christians and Hindu girls.

 

[Phoenall]

So were in this does it say that the inhabitants of arab muslim Palestine are descendants of the Jews from before 637 C.E. After this date the arab muslims forced conversion on to the Jewish population and took their females as sex slaves. This in itself is enough to show a small amount of certain haplotypes in the greater arab muslim population.

Hey, look, I am descended from Viking rapists. No kidding, I'm English and Scottish in ancestry, but almost 1/2 of my genome is Scandinavian. That is a MUCH bigger percentage than the non-Jewish ancestry of the Palestinian Arabs. History happens, that's all. We are just looking at the genetics of those who describe themselves as Palestinians vis-à-vis the ancient Jewish haplogroups. We aren't making judgments, and I doubt you can document the sex slave allegations. if you can through a scholarly article, go ahead and post.

And as the videos I posted earlier show, the process of conversion is still going on to this day, it didn't all happen in the 7th century.

have you read the Koran and hadiths were Mohamed instructed his terrorist scum to check the girls for pubic hair. The ones who had pubic hair were murdered, the ones without were handed out to the terrorists as their sex slaves. Then there was the Jewish girl that Mohamed raped laid in the blood of her father that he had just murdered, he made her one of his sex slaves. She was the same one that was later blamed for poisoning him and caused his death at an early age.

 

[teddyearp]

So amity, I am still very new here, and haven't even read this whole thread. But I see your agenda. And your agenda has you spamming the board with your views. In your OP here, you claim that the thread:

has become buried. It is not. It is still on the first page. Now the subject of this thread (started on June 5) is much the same as this other thread you started today (June 11):

My reply in the above named thread stands. Why do you feel the need to start several threads and/or post your views in several threads?

If I was a mod, I would merge your stuff and quit the clutter.

p.s., I have the 15 post limit, therefore my links will not post.

 

[Roudy]

So amity, I am still very new here, and haven't even read this whole thread. But I see your agenda. And your agenda has you spamming the board with your views. In your OP here, you claim that the thread:

has become buried. It is not. It is still on the first page. Now the subject of this thread (started on June 5) is much the same as this other thread you started today (June 11):

My reply in the above named thread stands. Why do you feel the need to start several threads and/or post your views in several threads?

If I was a mod, I would merge your stuff and quit the clutter.

p.s., I have the 15 post limit, therefore my links will not post.

Amity is a terrorist ass licking sock with Palestinian / Muslim associations who's purpose in life is spamming the board with old regurgitated IslamoNazi lies.

 

[Indeependent]

So amity, I am still very new here, and haven't even read this whole thread. But I see your agenda. And your agenda has you spamming the board with your views. In your OP here, you claim that the thread:

has become buried. It is not. It is still on the first page. Now the subject of this thread (started on June 5) is much the same as this other thread you started today (June 11):

My reply in the above named thread stands. Why do you feel the need to start several threads and/or post your views in several threads?

If I was a mod, I would merge your stuff and quit the clutter.

p.s., I have the 15 post limit, therefore my links will not post.

Amity is a terrorist ass licking sock with Palestinian / Muslim associations who's purpose in life is spamming the board with old regurgitated IslamoNazi lies.

So she chews her cud.
If she doesn't have split hooves she might be kosher!

 

[Roudy]

So amity, I am still very new here, and haven't even read this whole thread. But I see your agenda. And your agenda has you spamming the board with your views. In your OP here, you claim that the thread:

has become buried. It is not. It is still on the first page. Now the subject of this thread (started on June 5) is much the same as this other thread you started today (June 11):

My reply in the above named thread stands. Why do you feel the need to start several threads and/or post your views in several threads?

If I was a mod, I would merge your stuff and quit the clutter.

p.s., I have the 15 post limit, therefore my links will not post.

Amity is a terrorist ass licking sock with Palestinian / Muslim associations who's purpose in life is spamming the board with old regurgitated IslamoNazi lies.

So she chews her cud.
If she doesn't have split hooves she might be kosher!

With all the epic fails spreading Islamic "theories" about Palestine, the poor thing is suffering from a bad case of Hoof in Mouth Disease.

 

[aris2chat]

So amity, I am still very new here, and haven't even read this whole thread. But I see your agenda. And your agenda has you spamming the board with your views. In your OP here, you claim that the thread:

has become buried. It is not. It is still on the first page. Now the subject of this thread (started on June 5) is much the same as this other thread you started today (June 11):

My reply in the above named thread stands. Why do you feel the need to start several threads and/or post your views in several threads?

If I was a mod, I would merge your stuff and quit the clutter.

p.s., I have the 15 post limit, therefore my links will not post.

Amity is a terrorist ass licking sock with Palestinian / Muslim associations who's purpose in life is spamming the board with old regurgitated IslamoNazi lies.

he is not lambchop

 

[teddyearp]

I still don't understand why amity started two threads with the same subject matter.

Care to respond amity?

 

[teddyearp]

I still don't understand why amity started two threads with the same subject matter.

Care to respond amity?