/----/ When Obozocare as shoved down our throats in 2010, the Libtards who hated insurance companies for decades suddenly embraced the subsidies and at the same time blasted corporate welfare. It was bizzare to debate them.
So now with the EVIL Corporation Insurance Companies losing their supplemental billions from the gov
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/----/ The principle of the state capitalism of the period of transition to communism: the authorities pretend they are paying wages, workers pretend they are working. Alternatively, "So long as the bosses pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work." This joke persisted essentially unchanged through the 1980s.
Uh, Barbie, why don't you actually have the discussion at hand instead of whining about "communism" every time you get *****-slapped on an argument?
I'd rather have my health care run by a government that lives in fear I can vote it out of office than one run by a greedy corporation that has no obligation to provide me good service once they have my money.
Did anyone in the USSR actually say that, or did some propagandist make that up?
What is wealth? Wealth is the measure of the value of all goods and services provided by the labor of people.
So the fact is, the bottom 40% of the country has less than 1% of the wealth? Did they do less than 1% of the labor? Certainly not.
The top 1% has 43% of the wealth? Did they do 43% of the labor?
Or as this "Communist' said...
/----/ "Now, you see, most places REQUIRE you to have auto insurance if you drive a car. I haven't had an auto accident since 2004, but I still pay a decently high rate for the privilage of driving a car. " For crying out loud Joe, the only insurance you are compelled to buy is liability to protect others that you may harm in an accident. Unless you have a loan on your car, you are not forced to buy Fire, Theft and Collision. Once you own the car outright, you only have to have liability.
JoeB131
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Those things run pretty well. My mail always gets delivered. Last time I was at the DMV in 2014, they had me out of there in less than 10 minutes.
Less frustrating than dealing with Comcast or any airline I've had to ride recently.
Sure you are.. Because clearly angry racists are always really successful.
I'm sure you got promoted to Head Possum Catcher last month, Barbie.
Now, I'm going to talk to the adults for a while.
JoeB131
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No, I haven't considered that, because for the most part, they get better results than we do in terms of metrics and spend a lot less money doing it.
But, but, but... Charlie Gard! They only kept his corpse alive for four months!
Do I htink they should make the same? No. Do I think the guy on the assembly line should make enough to take care of his family? Yes.
Incidently, in most of the world, that is exactly how it works.
U.S. CEOs earn from 400 to 500 times the median salary for workers. For CEOs in the U.K., the ratio is 22; in France, it's 15; and in Germany it's 12.
CEO Compensation in the US Vs. the World
So you have no proof anyone actually said this, then?
Exactly.
So with health insurance, if you aren't going to do the sensible thing and have single payer, then you should have everyone required to buy insurance, for the same reason everyone has to buy liability- so the cost of your problems don't get spread around to everyone else.
Healthcare costs are going to go up. Happy? Insurance companies won't insure the sick or old. Will you never get sick or old?
I'll agree the Aca was a gift to insurance companies. So was what trump did. They no longer have to insure sick and old people. You'll die penniless
Two Thumbs
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good lord
Have you ever heard of medicare or Medicaid?
all I really care about is the forced participation, get rid of that and idc about the rest.
The way trumps going most of you will die penniless. I don't care anymore. Get rid of medicare
Two Thumbs
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look at the debt, dying penniless has been in the works for a long time.
Enjoy. I no longer care. I'll live comfortably without it
Two Thumbs
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No you won't.
the government, you love so much, will come for your money, in the name of 'fairness'.
Sorry but the rich have ways around those things. Most people lose all their money because of healthcare problems. They never had the $5000 to pay a lawyer who would protect their life savings. We almost learned the hard way with my mom. They would have taken all of my mom and dads money. Now we got the money protected.
Most Americans will never go pay the $5000 and take their chances and lose everything.
Then there's the masses who don't have anything. Future don't look good the next 20 years all the baby boomers
JoeB131
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We don't need to. We just need to fairly distribute the wealth to start with.
If we took the GDP and evenly distributed it, every man woman and child would get 55,000. that's more than enough to live comfortably.
/—-/ I remember the good old days when libtards hated corporate welfare.
JoeB131
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Hey, I'd be happy to get the insurance companies out of the mix and go to single payer.
/----/ Thanks but no thanks:
Pacific Research Institute | Is The Horror Story Of Single-payer Health Care Coming Soon To A Theater Near You?
Consider the California Single Payer bill. An analysis by the state Senate’s Appropriations Committee found that the measure would cost $400 billion annually. That’s more than three times the state’s annual budget of $125 billion.
Single-payer systems aren’t just unaffordable. They deliver atrocious care.
In Canada’s single-payer system, patients wait weeks for medical attention. According to the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, the median patient waits 20 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment from a specialist. A 2014 study of 11 industrialized countries ranked Canada dead last in timeliness of care.
Consequently, many Canadians have to leave the country to get the care they need. In 2014, more than 52,000 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment outside of Canada. In recent years, local health officials have authorized more than $100 million in spending to send Ontario patients waiting for critical transplants to U.S. hospitals.
In the United Kingdom’s government-run system, patients aren’t faring any better. In 2015, more than 130,000 patients did not receive timely cancer care. Between 2000 and 2015, the number of available hospital beds declined 20 percent.
Single-payer systems have consistently received poor reviews from those trapped in them. Once American audiences realize that, they’ll give progressive lawmakers’ pitches for single-payer a big thumbs-down.
JoeB131
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Guy, the thing is, we ALREADY spend more than any other country on health care, with a lot of people making a profit.
We spend 18% of our GDP on heath care, compared to most other industrialized countries that spend 8-11%.
How do they spend less, they get rid of things like "payments to stockholders" and "Nine figure CEO Salaries".
That lie has been debunked.
5 Myths About Canadian Health Care
Myth #1: Canadians are flocking to the United States to get medical care.
How many times have you heard that Canadians, frustrated by long wait times and rationing where they live, come to the United States for medical care?
I don’t deny that some well-off people might come to the United States for medical care. If I needed a heart or lung transplant, there’s no place I’d rather have it done. But for the vast, vast majority of people, that’s not happening.
The most comprehensive study I’ve seen on this topic — it employed three different methodologies, all with solid rationales behind them — was published in the peer-reviewed journal Health Affairs.
Source: “Phantoms in the Snow: Canadians’ Use of Health Care Services in the United States,” Health Affairs, May 2002.
The authors of the study started by surveying 136 ambulatory care facilities near the U.S.-Canada border in Michigan, New York and Washington. It makes sense that Canadians crossing the border for care would favor places close by, right? It turns out, however, that about 80 percent of such facilities saw, on average, fewer than one Canadian per month; about 40 percent had seen none in the preceding year.
Okay, let's look at this LIE. From those Commie Bastards at Forbes, no less.
U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries
Turns out that many of those "other countries" (including France) score better than the U.S. in one key metric not included in Cadillac's TV spot — healthcare. At least that's according to The Commonwealth Fund in their latest report "Mirror, Mirror On The Wall — 2014 Update" (pdf here).
For this year's survey on overall health care, The Commonwealth Fund ranked the U.S. dead last .
1. United Kingdom
2. Switzerland
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. Germany & Netherlands (tied)
7. New Zealand & Norway (tied)
9. France
10. Canada
11. United States
It's fairly well accepted that the U.S. is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but many continue to falsely assume that we pay more for healthcare because we get better health (or better health outcomes). The evidence, however, clearly doesn't support that view.
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Did you know that the Professional athletes who kneel to the national anthem make 400 to 500 times the median salary of the workers who buy their tickets? Why do they get so much money?
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