So much for discussion of the GOAT

[Mashmont]

I don’t care if Mahomes somehow wins five more Superbowls to pass Brady.

In ten Superbowls, Brady never put up a stinker like Mahomes did last night. Up through three quarters, Mahomes did not pass midfield, threw two interceptions that led to scores and a strip sack. Maybe the worst performance ever.

I don’t care what he did in garbage time in the fourth quarter while Philly was already celebrating on the sideline.

Mahomes stunk

This cements Brady's position as the GOAT. Mahomes will never surpass him because he won't last that long.

 

[Couchpotato]

I look at them about the same
Philip Rivers a little below

Dude that's just crazy. Manning caught lightning in a bottle twice and that's his career. Other than the 2 SB runs he has zero PO wins. ZERO. He only made the POs 6 times in 16 years. Ben has 12 PO's in 18. 5 conference champ games, 3 SB's He's better in every statistical category in both the regular season and the PO's. Eli had 7 losing seasons Ben had 1. Manning will eventually make the HOF based solely on those 2 SB wins Ben is likely a 1st ballot guy.

 

[Couchpotato]

This cements Brady's position as the GOAT. Mahomes will never surpass him because he won't last that long.

What exactly are you basing that on? The 4 big dog QB's in the AFC, Pat, Josh, Joe and Lamar (not in any order) are all just coming into the prime of their careers. Barring injury they should all be playing at a very high level for the next 10+ years. Brady didnt win a SB in his "prime" until the very end of it.

 

[Couchpotato]

Not even close

it's your logic not mine dude. Do you need me to quote it for you?

 

[Couchpotato]

A good HS team today would beat Johnny Unitas’ championship Colts
The game is just better

You've gone to far on that one. Maybe, maybe the very best HS teams might be able to compete with them, but we are still talking about men vs boys here in your scenario.

 

[rightwinger]

You've gone to far on that one. Maybe, maybe the very best HS teams might be able to compete with them, but we are still talking about men vs boys here in your scenario.

I thought of saying a college team, but after thinking it over, I think a good HS Football team would beat an NFL team from the 50s and 60s. Same goes for a HS Basketball team

I think it comes down to physics.
The line in 50s and 60s weighed in the 250-270 range.
Top HSs have linemen on both sides that weigh over 300.
Not a fat 300 but HS linemen that work out all year, have weight trainers and are quick and agile for their size

Same applies to skill positions. The kids are bigger and faster than their counterparts from the 50s and 60s
Even the kickers are better

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Mashmont dude you have not been paying attention,Brady is NOT the goat,my previous post debunks that.Unitas is.wuss brady would never have even lasted one season in the era Unitas played when quarterbacks got thrown around like rag dogs and pile driven unable to take a mere hit to the knee without going down an entire season which =wussville.so enough of this Brady is the goat crap.thats just playing into the hands of the MSM media this garbage of is Brady or Mahomes the goat when NEITHER could ever carry the jockstrap of johnny unitas.

till brady can go get into a time machine and play in the era unitas played when REAL men played the position of quarterback and took hits to the knee that sidelined brady an entire season on a weekly basis and thought nothing of it,brady isnt even one of the top 20 greatest of all time and neither is mahomes

 

[rightwinger]

Dude that's just crazy. Manning caught lightning in a bottle twice and that's his career. Other than the 2 SB runs he has zero PO wins. ZERO. He only made the POs 6 times in 16 years. Ben has 12 PO's in 18. 5 conference champ games, 3 SB's He's better in every statistical category in both the regular season and the PO's. Eli had 7 losing seasons Ben had 1. Manning will eventually make the HOF based solely on those 2 SB wins Ben is likely a 1st ballot guy.

Passing Yards and TDs were about the same for Eli And Big Ben. Eli was slightly ahead when he retired
Both won 2 SBs
The Steelers were a better team than the Giants in that era and had more Pro Bowl players
Eli did something no QB will ever match
Only 3 QBs have beaten a 15-1 team in the playoffs. Eli beat a 15-1 Aaron Rogers Packer team.
Add in beating an 18-0 Brady Patriot team and you have an accomplishment no QB will ever match

 

[rightwinger]

Mashmont dude you have not been paying attention,Brady is NOT the goat,my previous post debunks that.Unitas is.wuss brady would never have even lasted one season in the era Unitas played when quarterbacks got thrown around like rag dogs and pile driven unable to take a mere hit to the knee without going down an entire season which =wussville.so enough of this Brady is the goat crap.

Unitas is no longer in the top 20 of the discussion

 

[gipper]

gipper as I have said a hundred times,the Real TRUE goat is Johnny Unitas.he is the gtreatest quarterback of all time,not Mahomes no matter what he does in the future and not Montana or brady.
When Montana started winning four superbowls they were calling him the greatest quarterback of all time which I thought was a joke back then the fact even though he played in an era tougher than what Mahomes and Brady played in where skirts have been put on quarterbacks,it still wasn’t as difficult as an era that Unitas played in.

It cant be debated thst Montana was better than both brady and Mahomes the fact he played in an era without skirts,he had so many injury’s because they were allowed to spear you back then.Mahomes and Brady are the best in their era but they are not even in the top 20 greatest of al time,I have owned wrongwinger on this because if they had to play in that era where Unitas played they would never agree to play the sport.

Back then you got tossed around like ragdogs,brady is the biggest wuss on the planet,he would not have lasted one season back then and neither would Mahomes.brady couldn’t even a take a mere hit to the knee without going down and missing an en entire year,then the wuss obviously went and whined to goddel to change the rules of hitting a quarterback after that. Shit Unitas went through thst kind of punishment week after week back then,that was nothing to him,he played in an era where REAL men played quarterback.so enough of this garbage talk brady is the goat.

Unitas is the goat and neither Montana,and especially brady or Mahomes could carry Unitas jockstrap back then.shit if Unitas could be reborn and play in this era starting in the early 2000s when quarterbacks started having skirts on them,he would feel like he was in heaven.

I think Brady is the GOAT, because he won so many Super Bowl’s and holds so many records. That said, I never liked him much and his involvement in deflating balls and stealing signs are problematic.

Brady is a seven-time Super Bowl winner who ends his career as the NFL's all-time leader in passing yards (89,214), and touchdown passes (649). The three-time league MVP passed for 4,694 yards – third most in the NFL – and 25 touchdowns in 2022, his third year with the Buccaneers.

From 2000-2011, Brady went 140-41, passed for 45,264 yards, threw 338 touchdown passes, won 16 playoff games, three of which were Super Bowls. From 2012-2021, he went 138-44, passed for 52,305 yards, threw 372 touchdowns, won 19 playoff games, four of which were Super Bowls.

This is a guy who in his 23 NFL seasons has been selected to the Pro Bowl a record-15 times. He's a three-time 1st-Team All-Pro selected, three-time AP MVP and a seven-time Super Bowl Champion, which is not only the most of any player, but it's also more than any franchise.

Tom Brady ranks first all-time in:​

• Wins: 251
• Pro Bowls: 15
• Super Bowl MVP Awards: 5
• Completions: 7,753
• Attempts: 12,050
• Passing Yards: 89,214
• Passing Touchdowns: 649

 

[rightwinger]

I think Brady is the GOAT, because he won so many Super Bowl’s and holds so many records. That said, I never liked him much and his involvement in deflating balls and stealing signs are problematic.

Brady is a seven-time Super Bowl winner who ends his career as the NFL's all-time leader in passing yards (89,214), and touchdown passes (649). The three-time league MVP passed for 4,694 yards – third most in the NFL – and 25 touchdowns in 2022, his third year with the Buccaneers.

From 2000-2011, Brady went 140-41, passed for 45,264 yards, threw 338 touchdown passes, won 16 playoff games, three of which were Super Bowls. From 2012-2021, he went 138-44, passed for 52,305 yards, threw 372 touchdowns, won 19 playoff games, four of which were Super Bowls.

This is a guy who in his 23 NFL seasons has been selected to the Pro Bowl a record-15 times. He's a three-time 1st-Team All-Pro selected, three-time AP MVP and a seven-time Super Bowl Champion, which is not only the most of any player, but it's also more than any franchise.

Tom Brady ranks first all-time in:​

• Wins: 251
• Pro Bowls: 15
• Super Bowl MVP Awards: 5
• Completions: 7,753
• Attempts: 12,050
• Passing Yards: 89,214
• Passing Touchdowns: 649

Unquestioned GOAT

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I think Brady is the GOAT, because he won so many Super Bowl’s and holds so many records. That said, I never liked him much and his involvement in deflating balls and stealing signs are problematic.

Brady is a seven-time Super Bowl winner who ends his career as the NFL's all-time leader in passing yards (89,214), and touchdown passes (649). The three-time league MVP passed for 4,694 yards – third most in the NFL – and 25 touchdowns in 2022, his third year with the Buccaneers.

From 2000-2011, Brady went 140-41, passed for 45,264 yards, threw 338 touchdown passes, won 16 playoff games, three of which were Super Bowls. From 2012-2021, he went 138-44, passed for 52,305 yards, threw 372 touchdowns, won 19 playoff games, four of which were Super Bowls.

This is a guy who in his 23 NFL seasons has been selected to the Pro Bowl a record-15 times. He's a three-time 1st-Team All-Pro selected, three-time AP MVP and a seven-time Super Bowl Champion, which is not only the most of any player, but it's also more than any franchise.

Tom Brady ranks first all-time in:​

• Wins: 251
• Pro Bowls: 15
• Super Bowl MVP Awards: 5
• Completions: 7,753
• Attempts: 12,050
• Passing Yards: 89,214
• Passing Touchdowns: 649

which he never would have achieved had he played in the era Johnny unitas did,the guy could not even take a mere hit to the knee without going down an entire season,total wussville unitas and the other quarterbacks back then had to endure that WEEKLY and thought nothing of it. Brady woud NEVER agree to play the sport in this day and age under those circumstances,the whole boards knows that, therefore Unitas IS the goat.end of story.

 

[Mashmont]

Mashmont dude you have not been paying attention,Brady is NOT the goat,my previous post debunks that.Unitas is.wuss brady would never have even lasted one season in the era Unitas played when quarterbacks got thrown around like rag dogs and pile driven unable to take a mere hit to the knee without going down an entire season which =wussville.so enough of this Brady is the goat crap.thats just playing into the hands of the MSM media this garbage of is Brady or Mahomes the goat when NEITHER could ever carry the jockstrap of johnny unitas.

till brady can go get into a time machine and play in the era unitas played when REAL men played the position of quarterback and took hits to the knee that sidelined brady an entire season on a weekly basis and thought nothing of it,brady isnt even one of the top 20 greatest of all time and neither is mahomes

Yes, I know it was a different era, and I remember Unitas playing. But on the other hand, Unitas couldn't have played today. The game is too fast, and the players are in great shape. Unitas' smoked cigarettes. He couldn't throw it 70 yards. The offenses are very complex today. It's tough to compare eras

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, I know it was a different era, and I remember Unitas playing. But on the other hand, Unitas couldn't have played today. The game is too fast, and the players are in great shape. Unitas' smoked cigarettes. He couldn't throw it 70 yards. It's tough to compare eras

If Unitas played in last weeks Super Bowl, he would have been sacked 20 times

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Yes, I know it was a different era, and I remember Unitas playing. But on the other hand, Unitas couldn't have played today. The game is too fast, and the players are in great shape. Unitas' smoked cigarettes. He couldn't throw it 70 yards. It's tough to compare eras

well if he got rid of the cigs he could. dude i have seen footage,he was able to throw it 70 yards, in his early days for sure,he looked a lot like john elway who did that a lot,and being pile driven into the ground and tossed around like a ragdoll quarterbacks were back then ,no way in hell would brady agree to play the game under those circumstances,he went and whined like a baby to goddel to change the rules after the wuss went down from just a mere hit to the knee something unitas went through on weekly basis and thought nothing of.

If Unitas and the other quarterbacks that played that day could turn back the clock into their early 20's and get into a time machine and see how quarterbacks have skirts on them now,they would feel like they were in heaven and would throw for twice as many yards as they did having the luxary of playing with a skirt on as mahomes does and brady ESPECIALLY did. unitas=GOAT.

 

[jbrownson0831]

Yes, I know it was a different era, and I remember Unitas playing. But on the other hand, Unitas couldn't have played today. The game is too fast, and the players are in great shape. Unitas' smoked cigarettes. He couldn't throw it 70 yards. The offenses are very complex today. It's tough to compare eras

Point taken, but too many folks have forgotten just how good and durable Unitas and even other QBs who played back then were. We place way too much emphasis on the athletic abilities of the QBs now and the guys who have a more "traditional" style get overlooked a bit.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

 

[rightwinger]

well if he got rid of the cigs he could. dude i have seen footage,he was able to throw it 70 yards, in his early days for sure,he looked a lot like john elway who did that a lot,and being pile driven into the ground and tossed around like a ragdoll quarterbacks were back then ,no way in hell would brady agree to play the game under those circumstances,he went and whined like a baby to goddel to change the rules after the wuss went down from just a mere hit to the knee something unitas went through on weekly basis and thought nothing of.

Unitas 6’1” 195 lbs
Brady 6’4” 225 lbs

Brady is bigger, stronger and a better passer than Unitas

 

[rightwinger]

Point taken, but too many folks have forgotten just how good and durable Unitas and even other QBs who played back then were. We place way too much emphasis on the athletic abilities of the QBs now and the guys who have a more "traditional" style get overlooked a bit.

Those QBs were not that durable
Medical treatment has come a long way. A knee injury would end your career back then. Today you will be back fully the next season with a rebuilt knee

 

[Couchpotato]

Point taken, but too many folks have forgotten just how good and durable Unitas and even other QBs who played back then were. We place way too much emphasis on the athletic abilities of the QBs now and the guys who have a more "traditional" style get overlooked a bit.

because their lack athleticism would get them killed in today's game. Players are too big too fast. Getting hit by a smaller weaker slower guy isnt the same. It's not toughness it's physics. Josh Allen is bigger than Dick Butkus was....