So much for discussion of the GOAT

[Couchpotato]

Mahomes played like complete shit in that game. Have we ever seen Tom Brady completely shit the bed the way Mahomes did in this last Super Bowl? No.

It's your contention that Brady never played a bad game? Because that's not real.

The Chiefs got absolutely demolished. Even in the Patriot Super Bowl losses, have we ever seen them get as man-handled as the Chiefs just were? No.

Different style of play, especially early in Brady's career. The first 3 SB's the Pats won were predicated on great defense and the offense just not losing the game. Brady has one more TD in his 3 SB runs total than Mahomes has in his first. 11 vs 10. Belichick is a defensive minded coach Reid an offensive one. Brady was never really in a situation to play like that because the Patriot's scheme didnt call for Brady to win games for them.

For the foreseeable future, the GOAT debate is over. You can’t be the GOAT and have a performance like that on your resume on the biggest stage.

This is the same moronic argument that's been called out earlier in this thread. That's it's somehow better to play like shit early in the PO's against lesser teams and lose than to do so in the SB. So Brady shitting the bed against the Bronco's throwing 2 picks one to end the game in the divisional round in 2006 after the Pats repeat is somehow better than Mahomes doing so in the SB....

And how successful were they in that last Super Bowl?

Oh. You don’t want to talk about how pathetic your boyfriend looked in that game. You just want to talk about all the success they have had in years prior to that. That’s talking about the past.

Bro you should really stop. It's embarrassing. Me pointing out your dumb ass arguments doesn't mean I'm a Chiefs fan. It just means you keep posting stupid arguments. Saying the Chiefs are living in the past is beyond fucking stupid.

 

[Unkotare]

IMO, part of Mahomes problem was his O-line. They couldnt stop the Eagles. They had no answer for them. Mahomes was running for his life on almost every play.

He was also tripping over his own two feet and running into his linemen. It looked like a Benny Hill sketch.

 

[rightwinger]

It's your contention that Brady never played a bad game? Because that's not real.

Different style of play, especially early in Brady's career. The first 3 SB's the Pats won were predicated on great defense and the offense just not losing the game. Brady has one more TD in his 3 SB runs total than Mahomes has in his first. 11 vs 10. Belichick is a defensive minded coach Reid an offensive one. Brady was never really in a situation to play like that because the Patriot's scheme didnt call for Brady to win games for them.


This is the same moronic argument that's been called out earlier in this thread. That's it's somehow better to play like shit early in the PO's against lesser teams and lose than to do so in the SB. So Brady shitting the bed against the Bronco's throwing 2 picks one to end the game in the divisional round in 2006 after the Pats repeat is somehow better than Mahomes doing so in the SB....


Bro you should really stop. It's embarrassing. Me pointing out your dumb ass arguments doesn't mean I'm a Chiefs fan. It just means you keep posting stupid arguments. Saying the Chiefs are living in the past is beyond fucking stupid.

Does nothing to negate Brady being the GOAT and Mahomes unlikely to surpass him.
Yes, Brady had some bad games. Every QB does.
But Brady never threw a stinker in the SB. Mahomes has thrown two.

 

[Couchpotato]

Does nothing to negate Brady being the GOAT and Mahomes unlikely to surpass him.

I never said it did. But the talk of Mahomes being unable to surpass Brady is as ridiculous the talk of him doing so for many of the same reasons.

Yes, Brady had some bad games. Every QB does.

Which is the point. All this hyperbole about how this one game is the death knell for Mahomes' career is absolutely insane.

But Brady never threw a stinker in the SB. Mahomes has thrown two.

Again, throwing the stinker earlier in the PO's isn't an argument for greatness.

 

[rightwinger]

I never said it did. But the talk of Mahomes being unable to surpass Brady is as ridiculous the talk of him doing so for many of the same reasons.

Which is the point. All this hyperbole about how this one game is the death knell for Mahomes' career is absolutely insane.

Again, throwing the stinker earlier in the PO's isn't an argument for greatness.

GOAT means you come up big in big games
2 stinkers in the biggest game counts against you

Mahomes also lost head to head against. 43 year old Brady

 

[Couchpotato]

GOAT means you come up big in big games
2 stinkers in the biggest game counts against you

Mahomes also lost head to head against. 43 year old Brady

Brady didn't go to 5 SB's in his first 7 seasons. He didn't go to 7 straight AFC Championship games. He lost/sucker earlier in the process. I'm not sure how that's a point in his column. Brady was 3-2 in his first 5 SB's it just took him longer to amass that record, (BTW he lost twice as a HUGE favorite to barely above .500 Eli Manning) because he was losing in the Divisional and WC rounds at times. Explain to me how that's better....

 

[rightwinger]

Brady didn't go to 5 SB's in his first 7 seasons. He didn't go to 7 straight AFC Championship games. He lost/sucker earlier in the process. I'm not sure how that's a point in his column. Brady was 3-2 in his first 5 SB's it just took him longer to amass that record, (BTW he lost twice as a HUGE favorite to barely above .500 Eli Manning) because he was losing in the Divisional and WC rounds at times. Explain to me how that's better....

Brady played 22 seasons and played in 10 Super Bowls and won 7 of them

That is the bar Mahomes has to beat

After the age of 37 when most QBs are reaching the end of their career, Brady won 4 Super Bowls

 

[Fiero425]

Brady played 22 seasons and played in 10 Super Bowls and won 7.

That is the bar Mahomes has to beat

After the age of 37 when most QBs are reaching the end of their career, Brady won 4 Super Bowls

What was that all about when Brady missed out for a decade w/o appearances & wins of SB?

 

[XponentialChaos]

It's your contention that Brady never played a bad game? Because that's not real.

No. Every player has bad games.

Some players rise to the challenge in the biggest moments. Some players shit the bed when their legacy is on the line. And yes, that matters when we’re talking about the GOAT, a term that doesn’t get thrown around lightly, and has a very small margin for error.

You can try to kiss Mahomes ass all you want. But the fact remains that Brady never gave a Super Bowl performance as abysmal as what your boyfriend did the other night.

 

[rightwinger]

What was that all about when Brady missed out for a decade w/o appearances & wins of SB?

?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

It’s far too early to compare the two. Mahomes has many more years to play. Brady is the GOAT. He played for 22 years.

gipper as I have said a hundred times,the Real TRUE goat is Johnny Unitas.he is the gtreatest quarterback of all time,not Mahomes no matter what he does in the future and not Montana or brady.
When Montana started winning four superbowls they were calling him the greatest quarterback of all time which I thought was a joke back then the fact even though he played in an era tougher than what Mahomes and Brady played in where skirts have been put on quarterbacks,it still wasn’t as difficult as an era that Unitas played in.

It cant be debated thst Montana was better than both brady and Mahomes the fact he played in an era without skirts,he had so many injury’s because they were allowed to spear you back then.Mahomes and Brady are the best in their era but they are not even in the top 20 greatest of al time,I have owned wrongwinger on this because if they had to play in that era where Unitas played they would never agree to play the sport.

Back then you got tossed around like ragdogs,brady is the biggest wuss on the planet,he would not have lasted one season back then and neither would Mahomes.brady couldn’t even a take a mere hit to the knee without going down and missing an en entire year,then the wuss obviously went and whined to goddel to change the rules of hitting a quarterback after that. Shit Unitas went through thst kind of punishment week after week back then,that was nothing to him,he played in an era where REAL men played quarterback.so enough of this garbage talk brady is the goat.

Unitas is the goat and neither Montana,and especially brady or Mahomes could carry Unitas jockstrap back then.shit if Unitas could be reborn and play in this era starting in the early 2000s when quarterbacks started having skirts on them,he would feel like he was in heaven.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Mahomes also played bad against the Buccaneers in the superbowl. Brady is just on another level

On another level? Yeah helps when you can’t even breath or look at him without a yellow flag being thrown,the other quarterbacks in the league never got the special treatment he received of having a skirt on him,thst helps to be at another level.none of the other quarterbacks mentioned the refs would tell them to get off of that querterback after a hit as they did many times when they did that to brady.

 

[XponentialChaos]

gipper as I have said a hundred times,the Real TRUE goat is Johnny Unitas.he is the gtreatest quarterback of all time,not Mahomes no matter what he does in the future and not Montana or brady.
When Montana started winning four superbowls they were calling him the greatest quarterback of all time which I thought was a joke back then the fact even though he played in an era tougher than what Mahomes and Brady played in where skirts have been put on quarterbacks,it still wasn’t as difficult as an era that Unitas played in.

It cant be debated thst Montana was better than both brady and Mahomes the fact he played in an era without skirts,he had so many injury’s because they were allowed to spear you back then.Mahomes and Brady are the best in their era but they are not even in the top 20 greatest of al time,I have owned wrongwinger on this because if they had to play in that era where Unitas played they would never agree to play the sport.

Back then you got tossed around like ragdogs,brady is the biggest wuss on the planet,he would not have lasted one season back then and neither would Mahomes.brady couldn’t even a take a mere hit to the knee without going down and missing an en entire year,then the wuss obviously went and whined to goddel to change the rules of hitting a quarterback after that. Shit Unitas went through thst kind of punishment week after week back then,that was nothing to him,he played in an era where REAL men played quarterback.so enough of this garbage talk brady is the goat.

Unitas is the goat and neither Montana,and especially brady or Mahomes could carry Unitas jockstrap back then.shit if Unitas could be reborn and play in this era starting in the early 2000s when quarterbacks started having skirts on them,he would feel like he was in heaven.

I appreciate the bold take, but who exactly is in your top 20 then?

 

[rightwinger]

gipper as I have said a hundred times,the Real TRUE goat is Johnny Unitas.he is the gtreatest quarterback of all time,not Mahomes no matter what he does in the future and not Montana or brady.
When Montana started winning four superbowls they were calling him the greatest quarterback of all time which I thought was a joke back then the fact even though he played in an era tougher than what Mahomes and Brady played in where skirts have been put on quarterbacks,it still wasn’t as difficult as an era that Unitas played in.

It cant be debated thst Montana was better than both brady and Mahomes the fact he played in an era without skirts,he had so many injury’s because they were allowed to spear you back then.Mahomes and Brady are the best in their era but they are not even in the top 20 greatest of al time,I have owned wrongwinger on this because if they had to play in that era where Unitas played they would never agree to play the sport.

Back then you got tossed around like ragdogs,brady is the biggest wuss on the planet,he would not have lasted one season back then and neither would Mahomes.brady couldn’t even a take a mere hit to the knee without going down and missing an en entire year,then the wuss obviously went and whined to goddel to change the rules of hitting a quarterback after that. Shit Unitas went through thst kind of punishment week after week back then,that was nothing to him,he played in an era where REAL men played quarterback.so enough of this garbage talk brady is the goat.

Unitas is the goat and neither Montana,and especially brady or Mahomes could carry Unitas jockstrap back then.shit if Unitas could be reborn and play in this era starting in the early 2000s when quarterbacks started having skirts on them,he would feel like he was in heaven.

Back when Unitas played they were girly men
They weighed significantly less, did not weight train, did not watch their diets, smoked
Todays players are bigger, stronger and faster than they were in the 50s and 60s
They couldn’t beat a good HS team today

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Brady is certainly the GOAT but that particular game is not a fair comparison. The Bucs that year had an even more dominating defense than the Eagles this year. Like I said if you drop Brady into Mahome's position yesterday, he would have faired no better.

Brady would definitely have fared no better Sunday had he had to be under center for the chiefs on Sunday or had to face the buccaneers defense that year Mahomes did when he was running fir his life on every snap playing without two of his starting offensive linemen in that Super Bowl.

 

[rightwinger]

Unitas is the goat and neither Montana,and especially brady or Mahomes could carry Unitas jockstrap back then.shit if Unitas could be reborn and play in this era starting in the early 2000s when quarterbacks started having skirts on them,he would feel like he was in heaven.

Unitas was stiff, not mobile and didn’t have the arm of todays QBs
A modern defense would eat him alive

You saw what the Philly Defense did to a mobile QB like Mahomes

Unitas would have taken 30 sacks

 

[LA RAM FAN]

todd down under many around here don’t get it that neither Mahomes or brady are the greatest quarterback of all time,that they are not even in the top 20, they wouldnt even last one year in the NFL back in those days when Otto graham played when REAL men played quarterback.in that day and era where quarterbacks got thrown around like ragdolls,they would be begging to leave the league and never agree to come back and play the next season after being taken out and missing the entire season the first game of the year from a hit.brady missed an entire season from just a mere hit to the knee,back in those days Otto graham endured hits like that week after week and thought nothing of it.

 

[rightwinger]

todd down under many around here don’t get it that neither Mahomes or brady are the greatest quarterback of all time,that they are not even in the top 20, they wouldnt even last one year in the NFL back in those days when Otto graham played when REAL men played quarterback.in that day and era where quarterbacks got thrown around like ragdolls,they would be begging to leave the league and never agree to come back and play the next season after being taken out and missing the entire season the first game of the year from a hit.brady missed an entire season from just a mere hit to the knee,back in those days Otto graham endured hits like that week after week and thought nothing of it.

QBs back then were small, immobile, weak and could never withstand a modern pass rush.

They also could not complete the passes that todays QBs are required to make

Todays QBs would bowl over the Linebackers back then. They would embarrass the cornerbacks of that era. They would pick apart a Defense of the 50s and 60s

 

[Fiero425]

todd down under many around here don’t get it that neither Mahomes or Brady are the greatest quarterback of all time. That they are not even in the top 20. They wouldn't even last one year in the NFL back in those days when Otto Graham played; when REAL men played quarterback. In that day and era where quarterbacks got thrown around like ragdolls, they would be begging to leave the league and never agree to come back and play the next season after being taken out and missing the entire season the first game of the year from a hit. Brady missed an entire season from just a mere hit to the knee back in those days. Otto graham endured hits like that week after week and thought nothing of it.

The NFL went out of their way to facilitate offenses to get more scoring to go on! People are probably too young to remember a receiver didn't get a rule that forbade contact after 5 yrds.! The Defense could literally tackle a receiver or TE before a play developed! Of course they had to do something to protect QB's as they were being "destroyed" out there! The reason a #1 QB got paid so much was he had to endure a lot of punishment! I can still see someone like Buffalo's, Jim Kelly being picked up and pile-driven into the turf! There was a penalty at times, but for the most part it was just another play!

I'm over KC not fulfilling a destiny of a 3-peat! The sports shows would have been insufferable, bestowing powers of a diety onto Mahomes & Kelce! Just as well they'll have to work hard to just maintain which they've been able to do like no other team; even the Cheatriots! They did go a decade, wandering the desert of "no SB wins" which again saved us the insufferable commentary of Brady's greatness! Since Mahomes' loss, Montana's name has been added to the discussion! I think Bradshaw should also get a mention w/ 4 SB's & 2 MVP's; no matter the Steel Curtain given more credit for their 70's winning streak!

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The NFL went out of their way to facilitate offenses to get more scoring to go on! People are probably too young to remember a receiver didn't get a rule that forbade contact after 5 yrds.! The Defense could literally tackle a receiver or TE before a play developed! Of course they had to do something to protect QB's as they were being "destroyed" out there! The reason a #1 QB got paid so much was he had to endure a lot of punishment! I can still see someone like Buffalo's, Jim Kelly being picked up and pile-driven into the turf! There was a penalty at times, but for the most part it was just another play!

I'm over KC not fulfilling a destiny of a 3-peat! The sports shows would have been insufferable, bestowing powers of a diety onto Mahomes & Kelce! Just as well they'll have to work hard to just maintain which they've been able to do like no other team; even the Cheatriots! They did go a decade, wandering the desert of "no SB wins" which again saved us the insufferable commentary of Brady's greatness! Since Mahomes' loss, Montana's name has been added to the discussion! I think Bradshaw should also get a mention w/ 4 SB's & 2 MVP's; no matter the Steel Curtain given more credit for their 70's winning streak!

You angered someone here with too many pesky facts that he just threw a chair at the wall.

It’s hysterical the clowns thst call brady the goat when just like I said,he couldn’t even take a mere hit to the knee without going down fir an entire season missing every game. Total wussville .lol then going to goddell whining to him to have the rules changed on hits on quarterbacks,shit Unitas and Otto graham whom someone just mentioned earlier,they had to go through that on a weekly basis back then every week and thought nothing of it.they played in a day and age where REAL men played quarterback and like you said,the day and age where quarterbacks like Montana and Jim Kelly would be be piledriven into the ground was routine back then as well.Mahomes and Brady they would NEVER agree to play in that day and age had they been around back then,not happening