So Lets Eliminate The Police? Then How Do We Go To The Bank?

[candycorn]

He racked up more debt than any President in history with nothing to show for it. I suppose thats and accomplishment.

Every day another information-deprived, airhead liberal victim of liberal OMISSION media comes in here, and displays his/her pathetic ignorance (or dishonesty). Ho hum.

Trump accomplishments (partial list)

1. RECORD positive numbers on the economy, record highs in stock market, despite Covid shutdowns.
2. stopped the absurd practice of giving China unrestricted access to our valuable market, and reduced the amount of imports coming from China.
3. holding China accountable for cyber theft,
4. taking Mexico and Central American countries to task for illegal immigration,
5. created 10 million jobs in 4 months, created over 400,000 manufacturing jobs,
6. unemployment claims hit 50 year low,
7. lowest unemployment for blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and disabled in US history, 8.lowest unemployment for women in over 70 years,
9. lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma,
10. 4 million Americans off food stamps,
11. vocational training topped 4 million - highest ever,
12. highest median wage in US history .
13. Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE,
14. FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. > drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases,
15. reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars,
16. Signed Right-To-Try legislation,
17. $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic (the most ever),
18. Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act,
19. expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care (I got surgeries and benefits from this myself),
20. United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957,
21. withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord,
22. pressured NATO allies, and they're spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016,
23. made the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces,
24. withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal, 25. moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem,
25. protected Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court, 26. issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay,
27. MCA deal,
28. reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports
29. pressured NATO allies, and they're spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016,
30. net exports increased $59 Billion in 2018,
31. improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement,
32. we are BUILDING THE WALL.
33. provided quality detention centers for migrant children in Southwest Key Programs
34. created 8,700 Opportunity Zones with investment incentives for companies to invest in distressed communities
35. Got Israel/UAE/Bahrain aggreement (the Abraham Accord), establishing Middle East peace
36. Defeated ISIS and killed their leaders incl. # 1 al Baghdadi.
37. Killed Iranian terrorist leader Sulemani.
38. Stopped domestic terrorist mobs by sending federal troops & National Guard
39. record of number of regulations cut, further boosting the economy
40. opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines thereby making America # 1 energy producer in the world (no other president ever did that),
41. rebuilt the US military to a $721 Billion/yr budget
42. increased wages for military personnel
43. We found out when we expected President Trump to lead us through a COVID pandemic, as our Covid mortality rate was REDUCED from over 17,000/week in April. to about 2000/week in July and through the year, as a result of the many smart things that the president has done.90% REDUCTION. > it's a HUGE SUCCESS.
44. Massive production of Ventilators - These were left in short supply after the Obama/Biden admin (we now have so many we're exporting them),
45. the Navy hospital ships sent to New York,
46. the stimulus checks,
47. The Task Force advice (ex. social distancing),
48. opposition/criticism of New York's dumb nursing home policies,
49. federal aid to hospitals, rapidly expanding production & distribution of medical supplies
50. travel bans (which Democrats called Trump a "racist' for),
51. Trump's advocacy of Hydroxychloriquin (now proven to be effective, despite criticism from Democrats), and Regeneron.
52. fast, continual development of a vaccine.
53. Created & signed the MISSION ACT, replacing the failed Obama Choice Act
54. Presided over the largest GDP growth (33.1%) in US history.

Too much hilarity to comment on all of the bullshit. "Quality detention centers"...one of my favorite. He did make the nation more violent, more indebted and less healthy. How? #47 "The task force advice" he didn't take at his super spreader events. Yes, he did achieve a second (or was it third) spike in cases with his events. Remember the one in Tulsa that killed Herman Cain? LOL

51. Has never been proven effective for the treatment of covid 19...which is why the blob got other drugs when he succumbed to it shit brains.

54 "achievements" in 4 years. About 13 a year or a little more than one a month. He spent most. of his time playing golf...and it shows.

 

[candycorn]

He racked up more debt than any President in history with nothing to show for it. I suppose thats and accomplishment.

FALSE! Trump (mostly because of the Obama/China virus), added $6.7 trillion to the debt since Obama's last budget, a 33.1% increase. Obama added $8.58 trillion, a 73.6% increase from the $11.657 trillion debt at the end of Bush’s last budget in 2009.

US Debt by President: By Dollar and Percentage (thebalance.com)

Again, nothing to show for it....

Obama's spending provided insurance for the uninsured.

 

[protectionist]

Except your President doesn't think that.

My president is Donald Trump. Joe Biden is an illegitimate highjacker.

You're imagining things again....you seem to spend a lot of time in the imaginary world. Remember when you were boycotting the NFL? LOL

We're waiting for some Boeing 737's to crash into the stadiums.

Not unlikely with Biden and Democrats now in power. Muslim loons are back on the terrorism warpath again, after zero problems for last 4 years.

He racked up more debt than any President in history with nothing to show for it. I suppose thats and accomplishment.

Every day another information-deprived, airhead liberal victim of liberal OMISSION media comes in here, and displays his/her pathetic ignorance (or dishonesty). Ho hum.

Trump accomplishments (partial list)

1. RECORD positive numbers on the economy, record highs in stock market, despite Covid shutdowns.
2. stopped the absurd practice of giving China unrestricted access to our valuable market, and reduced the amount of imports coming from China.
3. holding China accountable for cyber theft,
4. taking Mexico and Central American countries to task for illegal immigration,
5. created 10 million jobs in 4 months, created over 400,000 manufacturing jobs,
6. unemployment claims hit 50 year low,
7. lowest unemployment for blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and disabled in US history, 8.lowest unemployment for women in over 70 years,
9. lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma,
10. 4 million Americans off food stamps,
11. vocational training topped 4 million - highest ever,
12. highest median wage in US history .
13. Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE,
14. FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. > drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases,
15. reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars,
16. Signed Right-To-Try legislation,
17. $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic (the most ever),
18. Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act,
19. expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care (I got surgeries and benefits from this myself),
20. United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957,
21. withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord,
22. pressured NATO allies, and they're spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016,
23. made the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces,
24. withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal, 25. moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem,
25. protected Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court, 26. issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay,
27. MCA deal,
28. reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports
29. pressured NATO allies, and they're spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016,
30. net exports increased $59 Billion in 2018,
31. improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement,
32. we are BUILDING THE WALL.
33. provided quality detention centers for migrant children in Southwest Key Programs
34. created 8,700 Opportunity Zones with investment incentives for companies to invest in distressed communities
35. Got Israel/UAE/Bahrain aggreement (the Abraham Accord), establishing Middle East peace
36. Defeated ISIS and killed their leaders incl. # 1 al Baghdadi.
37. Killed Iranian terrorist leader Sulemani.
38. Stopped domestic terrorist mobs by sending federal troops & National Guard
39. record of number of regulations cut, further boosting the economy
40. opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines thereby making America # 1 energy producer in the world (no other president ever did that),
41. rebuilt the US military to a $721 Billion/yr budget
42. increased wages for military personnel
43. We found out when we expected President Trump to lead us through a COVID pandemic, as our Covid mortality rate was REDUCED from over 17,000/week in April. to about 2000/week in July and through the year, as a result of the many smart things that the president has done.90% REDUCTION. > it's a HUGE SUCCESS.
44. Massive production of Ventilators - These were left in short supply after the Obama/Biden admin (we now have so many we're exporting them),
45. the Navy hospital ships sent to New York,
46. the stimulus checks,
47. The Task Force advice (ex. social distancing),
48. opposition/criticism of New York's dumb nursing home policies,
49. federal aid to hospitals, rapidly expanding production & distribution of medical supplies
50. travel bans (which Democrats called Trump a "racist' for),
51. Trump's advocacy of Hydroxychloriquin (now proven to be effective, despite criticism from Democrats), and Regeneron.
52. fast, continual development of a vaccine.
53. Created & signed the MISSION ACT, replacing the failed Obama Choice Act
54. Presided over the largest GDP growth (33.1%) in US history.

Too much hilarity to comment on all of the bullshit. "Quality detention centers"...one of my favorite. He did make the nation more violent, more indebted and less healthy. How? #47 "The task force advice" he didn't take at his super spreader events. Yes, he did achieve a second (or was it third) spike in cases with his events. Remember the one in Tulsa that killed Herman Cain? LOL

51. Has never been proven effective for the treatment of covid 19...which is why the blob got other drugs when he succumbed to it shit brains.

54 "achievements" in 4 years. About 13 a year or a little more than one a month. He spent most. of his time playing golf...and it shows.

Quality detention centers, as I said in the Southwest Key Programs with nice clean, spacious bedrooms, good food cooked in modern kitchens, soccer fields and other recreation, classroom education, big screen cable TV, and the best living conditions these kids had ever known.

And there didn't need to be ANY detention centers. The kids could have been deported back to Mexico, and other home countries, with the authorities there told > "Here's YOUR people, you take care of them."

 

[marvin martian]

this is a good question to ask any lunatic that wants to eliminate all police and end prisons. Yah, OK. so how are 200 Million Adults supposed to deposit/cash their checks and get a mortgage/car loan?

Don't worry, the left only want to eliminate the police in black and brown neighborhoods. For obvious reasons.

 

[protectionist]

He did make the nation more violent, more indebted and less healthy.

Too much hilarity to comment on all of the bullshit. Pheeeew!
Actually,
1. Trump made the country LESS violent, while Democrat mayors and governors were allowing ANTIFA and BLM to run wild in Seattle, Portland et al cities.
2. What debt he ran up, was primarily die to Obama's depletion of the military, and his funding of the Covid factory in China.
3. He made the country far MORE healthy by reducing the Covid death rate 90%, and that was before the initiation of his Covid vaccines from Operation Warp Speed, making the country still more healthy.

You read all this in Post # 175, the one you quoted in your moronic Post # 181, so you have no excuse.

 

[protectionist]

51. Has never been proven effective for the treatment of covid 19...which is why the blob got other drugs when he succumbed to it shit brains.

FALSE! Just as I said, hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19, and despite leftist criticism, Trump was proven to be right, by the study from the Henry Ford Health System, that examined over 2,500 hospitalized patients from the Henry Ford’s six hospitals. This is totally ACCEPTED by reputable doctors and scientists around the world. Democrats may have harmed millions, by discouraging its use. Some are still doing that right now, including you, and your post here is the absolute PROOF OF IT.

Oh so some Trump-haters have criticized the study. HA HA HA. Well what a surprise.

Hydroxychloroquine is effective, ‘helped save lives,’ new peer-reviewed study finds
Hydroxychloroquine was widely denounced as dangerous and ineffective after being touted by President Trump as a treatment for the novel coronavirus, but newly released research found the drug actually works.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Leftists cant get their story straight.

After the nation laughed at 5he left for their "defund the police," they said WE dint understand what "defund the police" really means.

"Defund the police doesnt mean defund the police" they say.

But now their changing the story again.

Of course we all know, defund the police means, DEFUND THE POLICE

 

[protectionist]

Leftists cant get their story straight.

After the nation laughed at 5he left for their "defund the police," they said WE dint understand what "defund the police" really means.

"Defund the police doesnt mean defund the police" they say.

But now their changing the story again.

Of course we all know, defund the police means, DEFUND THE POLICE

 

[protectionist]

Again, nothing to show for it....

Obama's spending provided insurance for the uninsured.

Nothing to show in the empty heads of information-deprived victims of leftist OMISSION media, except for those who read posts in USMB, like my Post # 175, loaded with things to show, as long as they aren't ludicrously lying like you are, right here.

And "Obama's spending" on the Wuhan lab in China killed thousands of people, while giving medical care to illegal alien invaders.

 

[SavannahMann]

Again. 80% of drivers who are pulled over do the same thing. So his actions, finding a safe well lit area make sense. They are routine and common.

I think the cops sense a different level of danger when its a busted taillight instead of a possible stolen vehicle that they are dealing with

Oh Pfui. This is grasping not at straws. But at the shadows of straws. It is rubbish. The department knows which is why they fired the badge wearing idiot.

We have established that 80% of drivers pulled over at night do exactly the same thing. This is not a statistic from the victims lawyer but the police themselves. So the argument that he was resisting or fleeing is idiotic.

When they got to the well lit area the paper plate on the window was visible. So the idea that the cops missed it while looking at the car for any sort of threat is obviously selling the cops rather short. Because if you argue they didn’t notice it they are too incompetent to be cops. Because they would have missed an armed lunatic.

These tap dancing excuses are bullshit. You don’t want to admit the cops screwed up. The problem is your defense doesn’t make the cops look better. It makes all of them look worse. Especially when the department has already shown that the cops were wrong.

It is one thing to argue there are a handful of bad cops. It is another to stand there like a paid shill and try to come up with even more asinine excuses for the inexcusable. The cops were out of line. If they had done it like every other traffic stop the Lieutenant would have paid a fine for not having his plate properly displayed. Instead the Lieutenant is going to get paid and two cops have their careers ruined. Not from the actions of others but their own self superiority attitude. They screwed up. They pay the penalty. And honestly good riddance to bad rubbish.

Somewhere another cop is learning. He will be certain to remain calm and reasonable when he pulls someone over. He will avoid the situation. He will be a better cop because of those two losers.

The Lieutenant will in the meantime pay off his car with taxpayers money. And some even smaller department will hire those two idiot cops for less pay. They will screw up again. They won’t learn. And the next time they’ll find themselves in jail.

 

[Mac-7]

We have established that 80% of drivers pulled over at night do exactly the same thing.

Yes, and some of them are criminals evading capture

police officers are murdered regularly by “innocent” drivers and they have much right to be cautious as the black medic does

 

[SavannahMann]

We have established that 80% of drivers pulled over at night do exactly the same thing.

Yes, and some of them are criminals evading capture

police officers are murdered regularly by “innocent” drivers and they have much right to be cautious as the black medic does

Cautious. Yes. Overreacting? No.

Caution would have a second cop there. What do you know. There was one. Take a moment and survey the situation. That would allow them to evaluate it for their own safety. No sweat. No argument from me. No complaints.

Approach the driver carefully surveying the car for additional passengers. Ask for his license. Ask for his registration.

There was no reason to start out with the hostility. Nothing unusual had happened. We have established that the vast majority of drivers pull into a lit area. We have established that the driver complied as soon as safely able. No problem. No threat.

We have also established that the police themselves have said this behavior by the officers was wrong. All the arguments to justify this are already moot. So why are we still debating it? I mean why would you argue that this behavior was reasonable when everyone including the cops says it wasn’t?

 

[Mac-7]

We have established that 80% of drivers pulled over at night do exactly the same thing.

Yes, and some of them are criminals evading capture

police officers are murdered regularly by “innocent” drivers and they have much right to be cautious as the black medic does

Cautious. Yes. Overreacting? No.

Caution would have a second cop there. What do you know. There was one. Take a moment and survey the situation. That would allow them to evaluate it for their own safety. No sweat. No argument from me. No complaints.

Approach the driver carefully surveying the car for additional passengers. Ask for his license. Ask for his registration.

There was no reason to start out with the hostility. Nothing unusual had happened. We have established that the vast majority of drivers pull into a lit area. We have established that the driver complied as soon as safely able. No problem. No threat.

We have also established that the police themselves have said this behavior by the officers was wrong. All the arguments to justify this are already moot. So why are we still debating it? I mean why would you argue that this behavior was reasonable when everyone including the cops says it wasn’t?

You expect a ghandi-like attitude from the police even when suspects are not cooperating

he was being obstinate

and from now on all the cops in that city will be in greater danger every time they pull a car over

because they have less authority to deal with difficult citizens

 

[SavannahMann]

We have established that 80% of drivers pulled over at night do exactly the same thing.

Yes, and some of them are criminals evading capture

police officers are murdered regularly by “innocent” drivers and they have much right to be cautious as the black medic does

Cautious. Yes. Overreacting? No.

Caution would have a second cop there. What do you know. There was one. Take a moment and survey the situation. That would allow them to evaluate it for their own safety. No sweat. No argument from me. No complaints.

Approach the driver carefully surveying the car for additional passengers. Ask for his license. Ask for his registration.

There was no reason to start out with the hostility. Nothing unusual had happened. We have established that the vast majority of drivers pull into a lit area. We have established that the driver complied as soon as safely able. No problem. No threat.

We have also established that the police themselves have said this behavior by the officers was wrong. All the arguments to justify this are already moot. So why are we still debating it? I mean why would you argue that this behavior was reasonable when everyone including the cops says it wasn’t?

You expect a ghandi-like attitude from the police even when suspects are not cooperating

he was being obstinate

and from now on all the cops in that city will be in greater danger every time they pull a car over

because they have less authority to deal with difficult citizens

Nonsense. Hey we have learned. Stop your car immediately in the darkest section of road with the narrowest shoulder. That way the cop gets run over in an accident. I usually argue in favor of policies and procedures that are safer for everyone. But apparently I am wrong. We want more of these events.



This is a perfect example. In broad daylight. Imagine it at night.



Yes. Stopping immediately is the smart thing. We must respect and obey the cops commands. If they get run over more often. Awesome right?

Idiot.

 

[Mac-7]

We have established that 80% of drivers pulled over at night do exactly the same thing.

Yes, and some of them are criminals evading capture

police officers are murdered regularly by “innocent” drivers and they have much right to be cautious as the black medic does

Cautious. Yes. Overreacting? No.

Caution would have a second cop there. What do you know. There was one. Take a moment and survey the situation. That would allow them to evaluate it for their own safety. No sweat. No argument from me. No complaints.

Approach the driver carefully surveying the car for additional passengers. Ask for his license. Ask for his registration.

There was no reason to start out with the hostility. Nothing unusual had happened. We have established that the vast majority of drivers pull into a lit area. We have established that the driver complied as soon as safely able. No problem. No threat.

We have also established that the police themselves have said this behavior by the officers was wrong. All the arguments to justify this are already moot. So why are we still debating it? I mean why would you argue that this behavior was reasonable when everyone including the cops says it wasn’t?

You expect a ghandi-like attitude from the police even when suspects are not cooperating

he was being obstinate

and from now on all the cops in that city will be in greater danger every time they pull a car over

because they have less authority to deal with difficult citizens

Nonsense. Hey we have learned. Stop your car immediately in the darkest section of road with the narrowest shoulder. That way the cop gets run over in an accident. I usually argue in favor of policies and procedures that are safer for everyone. But apparently I am wrong. We want more of these events.



This is a perfect example. In broad daylight. Imagine it at night.



Yes. Stopping immediately is the smart thing. We must respect and obey the cops commands. If they get run over more often. Awesome right?

Idiot.

i don't know what the road conditions were along the 5 miles that the black guy traveled.

maybe he could have stopped sooner but its not the issue

Except that no visible tag and the length of time he continued driving contributed to the suspicion of the cops immediately after he he did pull over

any reasonable person with respect for the law would have kept their mouth shut and exited the car as instructed

If he had the incident would have been over in 5 minutes after they ran the plate and his DL

 

[SavannahMann]

We have established that 80% of drivers pulled over at night do exactly the same thing.

Yes, and some of them are criminals evading capture

police officers are murdered regularly by “innocent” drivers and they have much right to be cautious as the black medic does

Cautious. Yes. Overreacting? No.

Caution would have a second cop there. What do you know. There was one. Take a moment and survey the situation. That would allow them to evaluate it for their own safety. No sweat. No argument from me. No complaints.

Approach the driver carefully surveying the car for additional passengers. Ask for his license. Ask for his registration.

There was no reason to start out with the hostility. Nothing unusual had happened. We have established that the vast majority of drivers pull into a lit area. We have established that the driver complied as soon as safely able. No problem. No threat.

We have also established that the police themselves have said this behavior by the officers was wrong. All the arguments to justify this are already moot. So why are we still debating it? I mean why would you argue that this behavior was reasonable when everyone including the cops says it wasn’t?

You expect a ghandi-like attitude from the police even when suspects are not cooperating

he was being obstinate

and from now on all the cops in that city will be in greater danger every time they pull a car over

because they have less authority to deal with difficult citizens

Nonsense. Hey we have learned. Stop your car immediately in the darkest section of road with the narrowest shoulder. That way the cop gets run over in an accident. I usually argue in favor of policies and procedures that are safer for everyone. But apparently I am wrong. We want more of these events.



This is a perfect example. In broad daylight. Imagine it at night.



Yes. Stopping immediately is the smart thing. We must respect and obey the cops commands. If they get run over more often. Awesome right?

Idiot.

i don't know what the road conditions were along the 5 miles that the black guy traveled.

maybe he could have stopped sooner but its not the issue

Except that no visible tag and the length of time he continued driving contributed to the suspicion of the cops immediately after he he did pull over

any reasonable person with respect for the law would have kept their mouth shut and exited the car as instructed

If he had the incident would have been over in 5 minutes after they ran the plate and his DL

Hey. I’m with you now. Stop immediately and let the cop get run over by traffic. That shows how much respect for law enforcement the individual has.

 

[Mac-7]

Stop immediately and let the cop get run over by traffic.

As I said I don't know if the black guy could have or should have stopped sooner

So I will stand by my previous post