So Israel

[TNHarley]

The politicians that send massive amounts of money to Israel know full well that a big portion is going to come back their way.


The whole thing is a ******* racket.

AIPAC

 

[Darkwind]

We can remain their allies without sending billions in aid annually. A billion Muslims aren't going to destroy Israel overnight if we stop funding programs we can no longer afford.

Israel is a powerful and wealthy regional power. They are doing fine.

I 100% disagree.

However, a lot can be done to bring that day forward. Remove Iran's government, then reduce aid to just mlitary equipment that they will have to lease.

However, if we abandoned Israel, they would cease to exist within a year.

As I said, I'm not an absolutist with regard to Isolation. A controlled withdrawal of aid and military might will have to be drawn down slowly.

 

[TNHarley]

If you take the abortion thing away, how do you feel about Israel?

I dont care for the government.

 

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Israeli air force official: Without U.S. aid, Israel couldn't fight Gaza beyond few months

A Senior Air Force Officer Also Tells Haaretz About the International Cooperation That Thwarted Iran's Attack in April and Delivered a Preemptive Strike on Hezbollah in August, Amid Efforts for Israel to Decrease This Dependence

www.haaretz.com

What else would you expect them to say? They aren't stupid.

Israel does not strictly require U.S. aid for survival due to its advanced economy and defense industry, but this funding is crucial for maintaining its qualitative military edge (QME) against regional threats. The $3.8 billion in annual U.S. military assistance heavily subsidizes missile defense (Iron Dome) and advanced aircraft, supporting IDF operations.
PBS +4
Key points regarding the need for U.S. aid:

• Defense & Strategic Reliance: While Israel is a top arms exporter, U.S. aid (roughly 15–20% of its defense budget) is essential for rapid replenishing of precision weapons, advanced jets, and multi-layered defense systems during active conflict.
• Economic Maturity: Some argue that, as a wealthy nation, Israel could self-fund, and there are debates about tapering or phasing out the aid.
• Strategic Partnership: The aid ensures Israel maintains superior capabilities against Iran and its proxies, while also bolstering the U.S. defense industrial base.
• Policy & Political Debate: The Biden administration has maintained support, but pressure exists to reduce aid due to regional political shifts and human rights concerns.
  American Jewish Committee (AJC) +8

While Israel has expressed a long-term goal to "taper" its reliance on U.S. aid, it currently remains highly dependent on the timely, consistent, and specialized nature of American military assistance.

 

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That israel sucks? I make that quite obvious.
I notice you attack me and ignore what nuttyyahoo said about us.

Oh that's only the tip of the iceberg. You hate Christians. You hate pro-lifers. You're a joke.

 

[Chuz Life]

AIPAC

They don't even try to hide it.

 

[Anomalism]

However, if we abandoned Israel, they would cease to exist within a year.

Not sending billions isn't the same as abandoning them. The money we send isn't what deters their enemies. It's the mutual protection pact we have with them. We can stop sending money but stay their allies. Nobody is going to **** with them. They'll be fine.

They'd probably be fine even without us.

 

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I notice you attack me and ignore what nuttyyahoo said about us.

He's not here. You are.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Abortion in Israel is funded through what they call health basket or their national health system which is funded by Israeli citizens.

Funded by American taxpayers

 

[Anomalism]

What else would you expect them to say? They aren't stupid.

Israel does not strictly require U.S. aid for survival due to its advanced economy and defense industry, but this funding is crucial for maintaining its qualitative military edge (QME) against regional threats. The $3.8 billion in annual U.S. military assistance heavily subsidizes missile defense (Iron Dome) and advanced aircraft, supporting IDF operations.
PBS +4
Key points regarding the need for U.S. aid:

• Defense & Strategic Reliance: While Israel is a top arms exporter, U.S. aid (roughly 15–20% of its defense budget) is essential for rapid replenishing of precision weapons, advanced jets, and multi-layered defense systems during active conflict.
• Economic Maturity: Some argue that, as a wealthy nation, Israel could self-fund, and there are debates about tapering or phasing out the aid.
• Strategic Partnership: The aid ensures Israel maintains superior capabilities against Iran and its proxies, while also bolstering the U.S. defense industrial base.
• Policy & Political Debate: The Biden administration has maintained support, but pressure exists to reduce aid due to regional political shifts and human rights concerns.
  American Jewish Committee (AJC) +8

While Israel has expressed a long-term goal to "taper" its reliance on U.S. aid, it currently remains highly dependent on the timely, consistent, and specialized nature of American military assistance.

The reason people don't attack Israel is because we have a pact with them, not because of the extra money we send them.

 

[Billiejeens]

And that makes it OK?

The reality is Jews do not believe that life begins at conception.

Is that important to you?

 

[Billiejeens]

that is BECAUSE oddball is not an Israeli apologist and unlike her,able to think outside the box and be objective.

The OP is just another way for Mr. Fringe to try and drive a wedge where no wedge exists.

 

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When it comes to global aid? Absolutely. We are trillions in debt and digging deeper every day. We need to save our own financial situation before trying to help everybody else.

That's short sighted. The middle east is a critical region because of oil. If the oil wasn't there, I doubt we'd care as much. But the key takeaway for you should be that what we do invest there now is a small part of our budget and is intended to prevent a much more costly event from occurring. At least that is the thinking of our government.

You don't donate to charity when your car and house are about to be repossessed.

I have no doubt that what we have been doing for the last 40 years can be sustained. I also have no doubt that the books won't be wiped clean after WWIV. If history is any guide, first will come economic hardship, then will come war, then will come a rebirth. Just like it always has but that day isn't coming anytime soon.

 

[teddyearp]

As the article states, Israel has the most liberal laws.

Isn't it ironic that all those in this forum who call themselves liberals hate the Jewish state like they do while supporting the knuckle dragging inbred savages who are stuck in the seventh century?

Yeah, oh lookey Auntie, the Democrats found yet another lame reason to hate on Israel to show they still love on their "mostly peaceful" neighbors, Hamas and the Palestinians!

 

[TNHarley]

He's not here. You are.

I get it. It helps, in your mind, keep your dishonesty alive.

 

[Darkwind]

Not sending billions isn't the same as abandoning them. The money we send isn't what deters their enemies. It's the mutual protection pact we have with them. We can stop sending money but stay their allies. Nobody is going to **** with them. They'll be fine.

They'd probably be fine even without us.

Well, then I'll do the same as I did when I started in this thread.

Provide me with monetary and military proof that Israel will survive without our aid.

 

[ding]

We subsidize a country that does things you guys hate.

So what? Why DOES the US send aid to our allies in that region?

 

[TNHarley]

The OP is just another way for Mr. Fringe to try and drive a wedge where no wedge exists.

Exactly. Who cares if we subsidize a country that does things you are supposedly against.
We sit here racking up debt, and in effect pay for abortions etc.
No biggie. After all, its only hypocrisy. And we all know you dont give 2 shits about that.

 

[ding]

You wish, pagan.

No. I know you are a joke.

 

[Anomalism]

Well, then I'll do the same as I did when I started in this thread.

Provide me with monetary and military proof that Israel will survive without our aid.

I just explained to you why.

Our financial aid isn't the thing stopping people from invading them right now. It's the fact that they know starting a war with Israel would also provoke a war with the United States. No government wants that smoke. There's too much to lose. Everybody knows how powerful we are.