So Israel

[ShahdagMountains]

Israel needs us more than we need them. They're not going to stop being our allies if we stop giving them money.

You don’t give them money.

 

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We give billions annually to a country that openly embraces abortion, universal healthcare and tuition free college while we remain trillions of dollars in debt. You don't see a strange irony in your support of that situation?

Are you a single issue voter? I'm not. So assuming you are not, why would you assume others are?

 

[Anomalism]

You don’t give them money.

We provide billions of dollars worth of aid. We can get pedantic if necessary. The point remains.

 

[Anomalism]

Are you a single issue voter? I'm not. So assuming you are not, why would you assume others are?

I listed multiple things they support that conservatives are in opposition of in their own country, not just one.

 

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Israel doesn't actually require that aid, and we are trillions in debt. I think we should stop giving money away to lots of countries, including Israel.

The OPs point was that you support giving billions in financial aid to a country that embraces everything you fight against politically.

So go back to pre-WWII policies?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

We provide billions of dollars worth of aid. We can get pedantic if necessary. The point remains.

You need it explaining to you?

 

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I never said that money funds abortion. That's a strawman. I'm saying you're in favor of financially supporting a country that embraces almost everything you're against politically.

Why do we provide aid to our allies in that region?

 

[Anomalism]

You need it explaining to you?

I'm good.

 

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The people of ISrael(jews and arabs) hate america and american christians. But look at the way the christians will defend them to their death.
“I know what America is,” Netanyahu, told the settlers. “America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction.”

They use us. But you tards dont care.

And your true motivation reveals itself.

 

[Darkwind]

Okay. And Israel embraces all of that. I think that was OPs point here.

Again, it wasn't the OP's point.

The OP hates jews so the OP will play little games in the hopes of spreading that hatred and hopefully gain enough ground to get the US to break ties with them.

It is called 'incrementalism,' and that goes like this.

You support X because they help you defend your backyard.

The OP. But what about this? Shouldn't you stop supporting them?

And so on and so on. The x gets more unbelievable as the chain goes on, and at the end of the debate or conversation, it's, "but look at all this together!"

The problem is, all of it together adds up to nothing.

Kind of like the gun control argument.

After all, someone accidentally shoots themselves, and we need gun control. Never mind that the other 100 million haven't killed themselves.

But we need to keep the guns out of criminals' hands. So, common-sense gun laws keep criminals from getting guns. Except that never does and never will.

Incrementalism. It should be outlawed.



One last statement on the Abortion issue.

I stand against abortion, but I will go to the mattresses to stop it in the only country in which I have a say.

This one.

So, let's abandon the Jews because they practice a procedure that is legal even in this country. After all, it is only Jews that are dying so no big deal, right?

 

[TNHarley]

Israel doesn't need US support. Israel's GDP in 2024 was approximately $540 billion USD, ranking it as a top-30 global economy.

What part of the US provides financial and military support in that region for its own best interest do you not understand?

Israeli air force official: Without U.S. aid, Israel couldn't fight Gaza beyond few months

A Senior Air Force Officer Also Tells Haaretz About the International Cooperation That Thwarted Iran's Attack in April and Delivered a Preemptive Strike on Hezbollah in August, Amid Efforts for Israel to Decrease This Dependence

www.haaretz.com

 

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They have a 98% confirmation rate. Anything from emotion to hardships.
They are allies? lol

So what? They have to ask for permission. That is the opposite of liberal.

 

[TNHarley]

And your true motivation reveals itself.

That israel sucks? I make that quite obvious.
I notice you attack me and ignore what nuttyyahoo said about us.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

I'm good.

Yes, that figures.

 

[Anomalism]

So go back to pre-WWII policies?

When it comes to global aid? Absolutely. We are trillions in debt and digging deeper every day. We need to save our own financial situation before trying to help everybody else.

You don't donate to charity when your car and house are about to be repossessed.

 

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And yet all you can ever do is deflect, gaslight or make things up. Sure boomer. Sure.

Says the guy who made yet another gas lighting thread. You're a joke.

 

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We should stop sending money to Ukraine too.

Why? I'm all for bleeding Russia dry.

 

[Darkwind]

We are trillions of dollars in debt. We need to figure our own shit out before deciding who to rescue.

I agree. But if we just back away cold turkey, as you say, then the world will start dying at the rate that they died when the Marxist/Socialist/Fascists/Communists were in charge last centurey.

Wanting to withdraw and take care of our own shit is a good goal, but that was NOT the purpose of the OP.

He just hates jews and is looking for an excuse to drive a wedge.

 

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It's fair to point out that many conservatives support sending financial aid to a country that does almost everything they fight against politically.

So what? What is the reason we send aid to our allies in that region?

 

[TNHarley]

Again, it wasn't the OP's point.

The OP hates jews so the OP will play little games in the hopes of spreading that hatred and hopefully gain enough ground to get the US to break ties with them.

It is called 'incrementalism,' and that goes like this.

You support X because they help you defend your backyard.

The OP. But what about this? Shouldn't you stop supporting them?

And so on and so on. The x gets more unbelievable as the chain goes on, and at the end of the debate or conversation, it's, "but look at all this together!"

The problem is, all of it together adds up to nothing.

Kind of like the gun control argument.

After all, someone accidentally shoots themselves, and we need gun control. Never mind that the other 100 million haven't killed themselves.

But we need to keep the guns out of criminals' hands. So, common-sense gun laws keep criminals from getting guns. Except that never does and never will.

Incrementalism. It should be outlawed.



One last statement on the Abortion issue.

I stand against abortion, but I will go to the mattresses to stop it in the only country in which I have a say.

This one.

So, let's abandon the Jews because they practice a procedure that is legal even in this country. After all, it is only Jews that are dying so no big deal, right?

Disliking israel doesnt mean I hate jews. Grow up.
And that was my point. We subsidize a country that does things you guys hate. And IN EFFECT we are paying for them.