So Israel

[SassyIrishLass]

I said I was done. Seems you cant comprehend that either.

Oh gfy. You started something you can't finish because you know you've been caught onto

 

[Anomalism]

You don't know me so stop pretending you do.

That's a strawman

Are you against abortion, universal healthcare and free college? Expansive social safety nets?

 

[Darkwind]

Israel doesn't actually require that aid, and we are trillions in debt. I think we should stop giving money away to lots of countries, including Israel.

The OPs point was that you support giving billions in financial aid to a country that embraces everything you fight against politically.

There are other priorities at play.

It is nearly a certainty that Isreal, regardless of defensive funding, would contnue the abhorrhant parctice of killing innocent children.

When you try to tie that to the money the US is spending to protect our interests in the region, then you are required to provide the exact amount that is applied to abortion. Otherwise, you are just backing an unsubstantiated claim.

Shall we apply that to NATO as well as the EU?

Shall we stop providing them aid as well?

That is the funny thing about these kinds of claims and the shit mentality of people who like to try gotcha BS thread.

So, if you then answer the question on how much of our aid to Israel goes to abortion, we can then, as a nation, reduce the aid to that country by the amount that they are spending.


That solved the problem.

But then we have clowns in this world who demand that we not create laws for something that is only a 10% problem while demanding absolute compliance with a 100% requirement.

I care that any nation aborts babies but I'm also not going to quibble and backpedal when the aid we gives promotes our own interests.

 

[Darkwind]

Are you against abortion, universal healthcare and free college? Expansive social safety nets?

I am against all that.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Oh dear we sent aid to Ukraine and abortion is legal there!!! We're funding abortion in Ukraine!!!!!

See how stupid this is?

 

[Anomalism]

Shall we apply that to NATO as well as the EU?

Shall we stop providing them aid as well?

Yes, ideally.

 

[Anomalism]

I am against all that.

Okay. And Israel embraces all of that. I think that was OPs point here.

 

[ding]

If we subsidize them, we are in effect paying for it.
If we send afghanistan 50m in aid, and they use that for medicine or something, that will free up 50m for weapons and bombs and such. Its the same thing.

That is some dumb logic, right there. The US provides assistance - monetary and weapons - to its allies in the region for the self interest of the US.

You think you are gaslighting pro-lifers by playing a gotcha game but in reality, you are just showing how batshit crazy these issues make you.

 

[TNHarley]

Yes, ideally.

That would be great

 

[Anomalism]

Oh dear we sent aid to Ukraine and abortion is legal there!!! We're funding abortion in Ukraine!!!!!

See how stupid this is?

We should stop sending money to Ukraine too.

 

[ding]

No. Im just asking a legit question.

No, you are not. You are gas lighting.

 

[Darkwind]

Yes, ideally.

So, we should never get into any diplomatic or alliance treaty UNLESS we get 100% of what we want and to hell with the world.

Which I normally would support, but I'm not an absolutist about isolation.

I would rather that the Europeans die fighting their own battles.

 

[Anomalism]

That is some dumb logic, right there. The US provides assistance - monetary and weapons - to its allies in the region for the self interest of the US.

You think you are gaslighting pro-lifers by playing a gotcha game but in reality, you are just showing how batshit crazy these issues make you.

It's fair to point out that many conservatives support sending financial aid to a country that does almost everything they fight against politically.

 

[Chuz Life]

I assume you pro life pro israel people are fine with us giving planned parenthood millions every year? I mean, legally, they cant use funding for abortions. So you guys are fine with that, right?

I was just about to make that comparison myself.

If someone gave me $1000 a month to help with my house and utilities but said I can't use it for food. . . they still have effectively 'subsidized' my food costs. . . by simply relieving the burden of all the other costs.

I get it.

But the dealings with Israel is not that simple, even if it can be reduced to make a point.

Israel is a strategic partner for a lot of other things that the U.S. has interests in.

Even if it all comes down to their views on abortion being completely opposite of mine, to your point, I think the solution is to leverage what we have, educate, etc.

Not just to cut off our noses to spite our faces.

 

[TNHarley]

That is some dumb logic, right there. The US provides assistance - monetary and weapons - to its allies in the region for the self interest of the US.

You think you are gaslighting pro-lifers by playing a gotcha game but in reality, you are just showing how batshit crazy these issues make you.

So we arent, in effect, subsidiziing europes welfare state by paying a huge part of their defense? Could they afford that massive welfare state without us subsidizing their defense?
This isnt about abortion as much as it is about israel.

 

[Anomalism]

So, we should never get into any diplomatic or alliance treaty UNLESS we get 100% of what we want and to hell with the world.

Which I normally would support, but I'm not an absolutist about isolation.

I would rather that the Europeans die fighting their own battles.

We are trillions of dollars in debt. We need to figure our own shit out before deciding who to rescue.

 

[Anomalism]

I was just about to make that comparison myself.

If someone gave me $1000 a month to help with my house and utilities but said I can't use it for food. . . they still have effectively 'subsidized' my food costs. . . buy simply relieving the burden of all the other costs.

I get it.

But the dealings with Israel is not that simple, even if it can be reduced to make a point.

Israel is a strategic partner for a lot of other things that the U.S. has interests in.

Even if it all comes down to their views on abortion being completely opposite of mine, to your point, I think the solution is to leverage what we have, educate, etc.

Not just to cut off our noses to spite our faces.

Israel needs us more than we need them. They're not going to stop being our allies if we stop giving them money.

 

[TNHarley]

If someone gave me $1000 a month to help with my house and utilities but said I can't use it for food. . . they still have effectively 'subsidized' my food costs. . . buy simply relieving the burden of all the other costs.

I get it.

Thank you.

 

[TNHarley]

No, you are not. You are gas lighting.

You just think that because you are scared of reality. And thats ok. You typical are.

 

[ding]

If we didnt subsidize israel to the tune of billions a year, could they afford to give out free abortions like candy?

Israel doesn't need US support. Israel's GDP in 2024 was approximately $540 billion USD, ranking it as a top-30 global economy.

What part of the US provides financial and military support in that region for its own best interest do you not understand?