So, is the left denouncing Obama's "unlawful" war in Libya?

Lib you and me both know why this had to happen, Obama stabbed Ghaddafi in the back when he told him he needed to step down, he basically sided with the rebels when he did that. Ghaddafi even said the only western nation that would be allowed back into Libya after this is done is Germany because they opposed the no fly zone, basically the years of work getting Libya to dismantle their WMD program and giving us access to their oil would be ruined, Ghaddafi has to go if we want to get in on those juicy multi billion dollar oil contracts.:cool:

Therein lies the rub. Talk Radio Americans haven't studied enough history to understand why superpowers intervene in foreign affairs - this makes them dupes of big government misinformation.

Official Government Story: "Humanitarian Intervention".... Or the Reagan/Bush favorite "Evil Empire/Evil Doer... Freedom is on the march"

Reality: Post-colonial imperialism > the ruling superpower "and its capitalist elites no longer assume the economic, cultural, and diplomatic costs of governing the country". The technics of empire is much more efficient. We use a network of bases to control vital resource markets - and we attempt to avoid the bulky and expensive demands of direct occupation. We don't have the money or time to worry about what evil dictators do to their own people. In fact, when Hussein became useful to our energy needs (because we lost the Shaw in neighboring Iran), Reagan & HWB had no qualms supporting him during some of his worst atrocities. Reagan removed Saddam and Iraq from the list of terrorist nations, i.e., our energy needs have always trumped our Humanitarian press clippings.

Our leaders must often form sketchy alliances in dangerous places. When necessecary, we protect and enrich corruptible dictators so they will allow our transnationals to usurp their people's resources. And don't give me some high school gibberish about how we supply the capital and they supply the resource, as if the world neatly divided itself into harmonious relationships. Life is a jungle. Superpowers have always spilled blood in the global competition for limited resources. And they have always protected the women, children, and Republicans from learning about the evil men must sometimes do in the outlying colonies.

The reason the official story works is because many Republicans trust their pundits, and they trust the Big Government war narrative. The Left, at least in the old days, was not so easily duped by bureaucrats - see LBJ and Vietnam.

The only thing we can do is keep trying to educate the naive, under-educated, patriotic "Freedom is on the march" Homelanders. As long as their knees weaken when Dear Leader says "Evil Empire", ours will be an uphill battle.
 
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"So, is the left denouncing Obama's "unlawful" war in Libya?"

I believe so. In as much as the 'left' is some monolithic group.
 
Congress has no authority to delegate it's powers to the UN. It's absurd to even imagine that.

You had no problem with Saddam killing the citizens that oposed him.

Where were the US Cruise Missiles and French Fighter Jets in 1991 when Saddam was butchering the Kurds and the Shites?:cool:


Where were they in the 1980s? Oh, I forgot, we supported Saddam with weapons he was using to butcher Kurds as long as he was making war with our enemy, Iran. This is why it was senseless and stupid to put him to death without putting others to death for giving him the weapons to do it.

people kill, not guns. He chose what to use the weapons for.
 
Congress has no authority to delegate it's powers to the UN. It's absurd to even imagine that.

You had no problem with Saddam killing the citizens that oposed him.

Where were the US Cruise Missiles and French Fighter Jets in 1991 when Saddam was butchering the Kurds and the Shites?:cool:


Where were they in the 1980s? Oh, I forgot, we supported Saddam with weapons he was using to butcher Kurds as long as he was making war with our enemy, Iran. This is why it was senseless and stupid to put him to death without putting others to death for giving him the weapons to do it.

At that time we had to pick our poison, the brutal Saddam or the Maniac Ayatollah Khomeini who wanted to spread the Islamic Revolution through out the Middle East, its part of the game and neither of them were saints.
 
Yea where did all those "NO WAR FOR OIL!" peeps go? I guess they're all too busy being Hopey Changey sycophants to screech that stuff this time around. How sad. :(
 
Yea where did all those "NO WAR FOR OIL!" peeps go? I guess they're all too busy being Hopey Changey sycophants to screech that stuff this time around. How sad. :(

Haven't you heard? this war is all about saving the innocent Libyan people, not the juicy lucrative multi billion dollar oil contracts.:cool:
 
Yea where did all those "NO WAR FOR OIL!" peeps go? I guess they're all too busy being Hopey Changey sycophants to screech that stuff this time around. How sad. :(

the cool thing about arguing with liberals is all you need is one of theirs to get elected to office to prove their arguments wrong. :lol:
 
Letting a dictator kill his people at his insane whim is not going to be good for anyone in the world.

Unless it's Saddam....

Robert Mugabe been doing it for decades, as well as the looney Iranian mullahs, hell the Mullahs in Iran kept hundreds of Americans captive for like 2 years, when are the US Cruise Missiles and French Fighter Jets heading to Iran and Zimbabwe?:cool:
 
I am against using military force against Libya but let's not pretend that the circumstances surrounding US involvment in Libya are the same as those surrounding US involvment in Iraq.

What are the differences? Other than Iraq violating UN directives imposed as a condition of the cease fire after they invaded Kuwait?
 
Yea where did all those "NO WAR FOR OIL!" peeps go? I guess they're all too busy being Hopey Changey sycophants to screech that stuff this time around. How sad. :(

Haven't you heard? this war is all about saving the innocent Libyan people, not the juicy lucrative multi billion dollar oil contracts.:cool:

Oh,thanks for clearing that up for me. So we're going to kill lots of Libyans to "save" the Libyans? Ok,roger that over. :eek:
 
Yea where did all those "NO WAR FOR OIL!" peeps go? I guess they're all too busy being Hopey Changey sycophants to screech that stuff this time around. How sad. :(

Haven't you heard? this war is all about saving the innocent Libyan people, not the juicy lucrative multi billion dollar oil contracts.:cool:

Oh,thanks for clearing that up for me. So we're going to kill lots of Libyans to "save" the Libyans? Ok,roger that over. :eek:

You got it, we have to destroy Libya to get those oil contracts oops I mean to save the Libyan people from themselves.:cool:
 
Man,Gaddafi is an amateur compared to Saddam Hussein as far as that whole Genocide thing goes. He hasn't ever invaded other nations like Hussein did either. The Iraq Wars supporters had a much stronger argument than the supporters of this War do. I'm just sayin. These bombings are wrong. This is a Libyan internal issue. Would we like it if nations decided to bomb us because we were having internal strife? I'm pretty sure we wouldn't like that too much. What do ya think? Our Government really blew it on this one. We shouldn't be involved with their Civil War.
 
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Man,Gaddafi is an amateur compared to Saddam Hussein as far as that whole Genocide thing goes. He hasn't ever invaded other nations like Hussein did either. The Iraq Wars supporters had a much stronger argument than the supporters of this War do. I'm just sayin. These bombings are wrong. This is a Libyan internal issue. Would we like it if nations decided to bomb us because we were having internal strife? I'm pretty sure we wouldn't like that too much. What do ya think? Our Government really blew it on this one. We shouldn't be involved with their Civil War.

Ghaddafi got nothing on Saddam, Saddam dropped chemical weapons on the Kurds in the 1980s during the Iran/Iraq war, and invaded 2 of his neighbors, he definently was levels ahead of Ghaddafi on the tyrant dictator list.
 
This thread!

God, I love this thread!

No War for Libyan Oil!

Obama only making more Libyans!

You cannot defeat Libyan ideology with cruise missiles!

Thank you, God! Thank you for making something as beautiful as this thread
 
Robert Mugabe been doing it for decades, as well as the looney Iranian mullahs, hell the Mullahs in Iran kept hundreds of Americans captive for like 2 years, when are the US Cruise Missiles and French Fighter Jets heading to Iran and Zimbabwe?:cool:

Yes, but Truthinessmatters has done nothing but whine about Iraq and how Saddam wasn't such a bad guy.

It's really the hypocrisy I sought to highlight.
 
Robert Mugabe been doing it for decades, as well as the looney Iranian mullahs, hell the Mullahs in Iran kept hundreds of Americans captive for like 2 years, when are the US Cruise Missiles and French Fighter Jets heading to Iran and Zimbabwe?:cool:

Yes, but Truthinessmatters has done nothing but whine about Iraq and how Saddam wasn't such a bad guy.

It's really the hypocrisy I sought to highlight.

So Saddam should have been left alone, but Ghaddafi needs to go? I would love to hear someone explain to me how Saddam was better than Ghaddafi, especially since Saddam could teach Ghaddafi a thing or two on how to put down an uprising.:cool:
 
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