So, is the left denouncing Obama's "unlawful" war in Libya?

[QUENTIN]

Yes, they are.

Find me any number of prominent leftists who support the bombing and imposition of a no-fly-zone.

The left is rather uniformly against attacking Libya, just as they're rather uniformly against most of what Obama does.

 

[xsited1]

Hot Air.. Do you ever read anything but trumped up GOP garbage?

I doubt he does, but in this case he is correct about what is happening in Libya. What I disagree with is Bush's actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Congress did not declare these wars.

 

[jgarden]

The Obama Approach versus The Bush Approach
****************************************
- support of the Lybian people
- support of the Arab League
- support of the UN
- a coalition of the "willing" that is actually "willing"
- a willingness to allow others to assume leadership roles
- reliable "intelligence," not "intelligence" manipulated to justify a "conclusion"

What the conservatives seem to be saying is that just because we "screwed" things up in the past, nobody is capable of conducting things any better in the present.

The cooperation with respect to Lybia is a reflection of the high esteem with which Presidet Obama is held in the international community - as opposed to his predecessor!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The Obama Approach versus The Bush Approach
****************************************
- support of the Lybian people
- support of the Arab League
- support of the UN
- a coalition of the "willing" that is actually "willing"
- a willingness to allow others to assume leadership roles
- reliable "intelligence," not "intelligence" manipulated to justify a "conclusion"

What the conservatives seem to be saying is that just because we "screwed" things up in the past, nobody is capable of conducting things any better in the present.

The cooperation with respect to Lybia is a reflection of the high esteem with which Presidet Obama is held in the international community - as opposed to his predecessor!

Personally, they look identical.

 

[Maple]

No? Well then what is the problem with Iraq again? (Not that I am defending Iraq, I thought it was dumb, I think military action in Libya is dumb too). So...where are the left's cries for peace like in 2003?

Apparently, you failed to note the announcement by the Arab League and the vote in the UN to authorize a no fly zone and the necessary use of force to implement it. Did Bush have either of those kinds of international authorizations prior to invading Iraq?

No he didn't but one thing he did have was United States congressional approval and that of the senate. Obama did not bother with that.

 

[bucs90]

Yes, they are.

Find me any number of prominent leftists who support the bombing and imposition of a no-fly-zone.

The left is rather uniformly against attacking Libya, just as they're rather uniformly against most of what Obama does.

Then why is their opposition to "Him" so silent?

 

[bucs90]

No? Well then what is the problem with Iraq again? (Not that I am defending Iraq, I thought it was dumb, I think military action in Libya is dumb too). So...where are the left's cries for peace like in 2003?

Apparently, you failed to note the announcement by the Arab League and the vote in the UN to authorize a no fly zone and the necessary use of force to implement it. Did Bush have either of those kinds of international authorizations prior to invading Iraq?

No he didn't but one thing he did have was United States congressional approval and that of the senate. Obama did not bother with that.

Of course he didn't. He was busy on vacation with Brazil's communist, cop killing president.

He is above all that Congress stuff. He's Obama. He will declare what he wants, when he wants, where he wants. After all, he is himself. He is not to be criticized.

 

[Synthaholic]

So, is the left denouncing Obama's "unlawful" war in Libya?

So, is the Right cheering it?

 

[mnbasketball]

The Obama Approach versus The Bush Approach
****************************************
- support of the Lybian people
- support of the Arab League
- support of the UN
- a coalition of the "willing" that is actually "willing"
- a willingness to allow others to assume leadership roles
- reliable "intelligence," not "intelligence" manipulated to justify a "conclusion"

What the conservatives seem to be saying is that just because we "screwed" things up in the past, nobody is capable of conducting things any better in the present.

The cooperation with respect to Libya is a reflection of the high esteem with which President Obama is held in the international community - as opposed to his predecessor!

Personally, they look identical.

And if that is what you think, then we can understand how you can stay so steadfast to your beliefs that allow you to be a republican.

I do not want one American soldier killed in Libya just like i felt about Iraq.

I do believe that if a dictator is waging war on his citizens such as what is going on then yes the world has the right to stop him. But we do not have the right to build a new govt as we see fit.

 

[Lumpy 1]

The Obama Approach versus The Bush Approach
****************************************
- support of the Lybian people
- support of the Arab League
- support of the UN
- a coalition of the "willing" that is actually "willing"
- a willingness to allow others to assume leadership roles
- reliable "intelligence," not "intelligence" manipulated to justify a "conclusion"

What the conservatives seem to be saying is that just because we "screwed" things up in the past, nobody is capable of conducting things any better in the present.

The cooperation with respect to Lybia is a reflection of the high esteem with which Presidet Obama is held in the international community - as opposed to his predecessor!

You're so wrong it hurts....sheesh...

 

[mnbasketball]

When Obama directs a bombing of a local business that will kill many people in the hopes of killing Kadafi then I will call for his removal also.

 

[QUENTIN]

Yes, they are.

Find me any number of prominent leftists who support the bombing and imposition of a no-fly-zone.

The left is rather uniformly against attacking Libya, just as they're rather uniformly against most of what Obama does.

Then why is their opposition to "Him" so silent?

What do you mean? Leftists continue to not only protest Obama's policies on a regular basis but unlike their right-wing counterparts are willing to engage in civil disobedience and risk arrest in furtherance of their beliefs. Those arrested protesting Bradley Manning's illegal and inhumane detention and Obama's continuation of the War on Iraq are examples from just the past few days. Leftists continue writing books, editorials, articles, blogs, etc. as much as they always have and have only ramped up since Obama betrayed every one of the few bones he threw the left on the campaign trail. The left is no less active, no more silent, than they've been in 30 years.

The only differences are now they don't have non-leftists marching alongside them taking advantage of anti-other-party animosity so their numbers contain only the sincere and genuine rather than being inflated by ideologically inconsistent partisans and the media pays them zero attention because just like the Democratic party while the media may roll their eyes at the Tea Party they're fascinated by them but they just ******* despise and ignore the left.

 

[Lumpy 1]

When Obama directs a bombing of a local business that will kill many people in the hopes of killing Kadafi then I will call for his removal also.

Good luck with that....

You might check in on what's happening in Afghanistan, Turkey and Iraq...on innocent civilians being killed by Obama's orders...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The Obama Approach versus The Bush Approach
****************************************
- support of the Lybian people
- support of the Arab League
- support of the UN
- a coalition of the "willing" that is actually "willing"
- a willingness to allow others to assume leadership roles
- reliable "intelligence," not "intelligence" manipulated to justify a "conclusion"

What the conservatives seem to be saying is that just because we "screwed" things up in the past, nobody is capable of conducting things any better in the present.

The cooperation with respect to Libya is a reflection of the high esteem with which President Obama is held in the international community - as opposed to his predecessor!

Personally, they look identical.

And if that is what you think, then we can understand how you can stay so steadfast to your beliefs that allow you to be a republican.

I do not want one American soldier killed in Libya just like i felt about Iraq.

I do believe that if a dictator is waging war on his citizens such as what is going on then yes the world has the right to stop him. But we do not have the right to build a new govt as we see fit.

That made me laugh. Did you ever consider the possibility that I actually know what I am talking about here?

By the way, I am not a Republican.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/160186-the-emperors-new-clothes.html

Personally, I kind of agree with Obama's position on us invading countries just because a dictator is killing his people. At least that was his position last week.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Bogus Iraq war my ass! 111 Democrats & 263 Republicans in congress voted to invade Iraq. The majority of US citizens wanted to send troops into Iraq for the entire 13 years before we invaded Iraq.

By choosing to invade Iraq congress & the president followed the will of the people.

Even before the 9/11 attacks, GWB & Cheney Attack Iraq Propaganda, the larger majority of Americans wanted to send in ground troops to remove Saddam from power. Gallup Poll below proves this. Attacking Iraq was democracy in action.

Egyptian Intelligence was in direct communication with Saddam, and Saddam said he had "all the information on WMDs.” Now why would Saddam say this to Egypt if there were no WMD's?

Our "No Fly Zone" in Iraq & our embargo against Iraq was cause for the attacks against us on 9/11. This meant that Saddam & the Iraqi government needed to be dealt with once & for all to set-up a legitimate government of the Iraqi people so the USA would not have to be viewed in the muslim world as a force oppressing that country.

The Vietnam war had 70 some percent support early on too.

Yes, indeed it did, until the anti-war Left and a dishonest media spread lie after lie after lie about what we were doing there!. You act like you're PROUD of that; you ought to be ASHAMED of it! To top it off, the Left, and a bunch of "journalists" more concerned with headlines and awards than telling the truth, deliberately deceived the American people about what we did there, did all they could to undermine the efforts of the troops in the field, and then put the blame on those of us who fought there! Excuse me for not appreciating those actions. Our nation has been cursed with the defeatist attitude that came from that stolen victory ever since, and has suffered for it. We did not fail; America, lied to and bamboozled by the Left, failed us! You people undermined our country, and now, you're ready to do it again; you won't even stand by the president YOU elected! Shame on you!

So now Vietnam was a good idea?

Why were we in Vietnam? What was supposed to happen if we lost in Vietnam? What were the dire consequences to America that we had to prevent happening by going to war in Vietnam?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Letting a dictator kill his people at his insane whim is not going to be good for anyone in the world.

If Gadafi is allowed to bomb his own people until only his cronies are left what do you think that says to the rest of the countries on the brink of revolution for democracy?

You people just hate anything this president does no matter what it is.

This is a UN action and not a declared war.

Holy Jesus. You are the biggest hypocrite I've ever read.

Please, back away from Mr.Obama's pelvis before reading the rest..........



So, Saddam wasn't a tyrannt, who killed his own people also? Used WMD's against his own people? The parrallel between Saddam and Ghaddafi is so easily seen.


And, since WHEN does the UN have more power than our own Congress? So, if the UN wants us to go to war, the president can act alone and send us without Congress' approval? Isn't that the EXACT definition of a dictator? So we are gonna do what Obama wants, regardless if our Congress wants to or not?

You people's blind worship of Obama is creepy.

Then you support Obama? Or are you claiming you didn't support the invasion of Iraq?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yes, they are.

Find me any number of prominent leftists who support the bombing and imposition of a no-fly-zone.

The left is rather uniformly against attacking Libya, just as they're rather uniformly against most of what Obama does.

Then why is their opposition to "Him" so silent?

It's not. That's the myth that the Right is trying to construct.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No? Well then what is the problem with Iraq again? (Not that I am defending Iraq, I thought it was dumb, I think military action in Libya is dumb too). So...where are the left's cries for peace like in 2003?

Apparently, you failed to note the announcement by the Arab League and the vote in the UN to authorize a no fly zone and the necessary use of force to implement it. Did Bush have either of those kinds of international authorizations prior to invading Iraq?

So when did a sovereign nation start listening to the U.N.? The dictates of the Constitution and U.S. laws comes way before the dictates of the U.N. They are not our governoring body Congress is.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So, is the left denouncing Obama's "unlawful" war in Libya?

So, is the Right cheering it?

Most of the Right is in a pickle here because they agree with the President's policy but their 'code' prevents them from simply saying so and leaving it at that. The next best thing for them is to try to make it all about liberals and whether they support the president.

 

[Article 15]

I am against using military force against Libya but let's not pretend that the circumstances surrounding US involvment in Libya are the same as those surrounding US involvment in Iraq.