So...if you were in that Nightclub in Cali. would you want a gun to stop the shooter?

[danielpalos]

This is what we are supposed to be doing:

Unless you are black...

There is no provision for excuses in the federal doctrine, only Results: The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

There was an excuse when the document was written..

It expired after 1808.

The document is pure propaganda and the franchise was limited.

A market failure. States had no longer any basis to deny or disparage natural rights after 1808. Natural born, applied to everyone after that.

 

[Moonglow]

Unless you are black...

There is no provision for excuses in the federal doctrine, only Results: The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

There was an excuse when the document was written..

It expired after 1808.

The document is pure propaganda and the franchise was limited.

A market failure. States had no longer any basis to deny or disparage natural rights after 1808. Natural born, applied to everyone after that.

Not the Indians.

 

[Lewdog]

Ah yes... just a perfect mix of drunks, women, and guns. What could possibly go wrong? You know it is illegal to be illegally impaired and carry a fire arm. Is it going to be ok then for cops to go to every bar and find everyone with a gun and give them a sobriety test?

 

[Defiant1]

Another gun free zone, and another question for our anti-gunners....if you were in that NightClub when the shooter came in.....violating the gun control laws of California, the gun free zone, and the laws against murder.....

Would you want a gun to save your life with? How about to save your wife, or other family members?

A couple large caliber firearms and gratuitous ammunition.

Does that make me a bad person?

under Capitalism, someone is making money.

My mind on my money, my money on my mind homey

This is what we are supposed to be doing:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

If you want to live in freedom.

 

[danielpalos]

There is no provision for excuses in the federal doctrine, only Results: The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

There was an excuse when the document was written..

It expired after 1808.

The document is pure propaganda and the franchise was limited.

A market failure. States had no longer any basis to deny or disparage natural rights after 1808. Natural born, applied to everyone after that.

Not the Indians.

It was true once their tribe was within the Union.

 

[2aguy]

Ah yes... just a perfect mix of drunks, women, and guns. What could possibly go wrong? You know it is illegal to be illegally impaired and carry a fire arm. Is it going to be ok then for cops to go to every bar and find everyone with a gun and give them a sobriety test?

There are about 24 states that already allow this...... so what you just posted is not based in truth, facts or reality.

When the cops stop you, and you are drunk and carrying a gun, they arrest you already.....

You really should engage your brain before you post...

 

[Lewdog]

Ah yes... just a perfect mix of drunks, women, and guns. What could possibly go wrong? You know it is illegal to be illegally impaired and carry a fire arm. Is it going to be ok then for cops to go to every bar and find everyone with a gun and give them a sobriety test?

There are about 24 states that already allow this...... so what you just posted is not based in truth, facts or reality.

When the cops stop you, and you are drunk and carrying a gun, they arrest you already.....

You really should engage your brain before you post...

Which 24? Mostly ones with almost completely rural populations? Also, individual cities within states can have their own gun laws...

And so now you are ok if a cop stands outside of every bar at closing checking for guns and to see if people carrying them are drunk? You going to be ok when those people lose their right to carry?

It only takes fucking common sense you don't mix alcohol and firearms, thus why there is a law about not carrying while drunk. So why the fuck would you want to make that easier to happen by letting people carry guns into places selling alcohol? You've lost your damn mind. I think you spend so much time looking for articles about guns you've gotten lead poisoning.

 

[Tax Man]

Another gun free zone, and another question for our anti-gunners....if you were in that NightClub when the shooter came in.....violating the gun control laws of California, the gun free zone, and the laws against murder.....

Would you want a gun to save your life with? How about to save your wife, or other family members?

A person who is as afraid of dying as you would be the last guy who should have one. I would simply walk up to him and take it from him. I have done it before and I might have to do it again.

 

[leftwinger]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

In Virginia, they passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars....crime in bars went down 5.2%....and other states already allow people to carry in bars, they just can't drink.....so, once again, nothing you stated has a bearing on what is actually happening right now...

Allowing guns into bars has ‘surprising’ result - WND



When Virginia passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants beginning July 1 of last year, opponents of the change decried the dangers of mixing guns and alcohol, for fear violent crimes would escalate.

But one year later, the Richmond Times-Dispatch did a study to see if the gloomy prognostications came true.

According to state police records, not only did gun violence in bars and restaurants not increase under the new law, it decreased by 5.2 percent.

In fact, of the 145 reported crimes with guns that occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11 (compared to 153 incidents in the year before the new law took effect), only two of the aggravated assault cases were related to concealed-carry permit holders. In one incident, the crime took place at a restaurant that didn’t serve alcohol – thus unrelated to the new law – and in the other, the weapon was neither discharged nor withdrawn from its holster.

“The numbers basically just confirm what we’ve said would happen if the General Assembly changed the law,” Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League, told the Times-Dispatch. “Keep in mind what the other side was saying – that this was going to be a blood bath, that restaurants will be dangerous and people will stop going. But there was nothing to base the fear-mongering on.”

Do we know why gun violence occurs in "places of entertainment"?

Because they are usually gun free zones, as this night club, the pulse nightclub were.....and there are large numbers of people in a tightly packed space, with escape slowed down by few external exits...

that does not make sense. why would a Person want to go there instead of somewhere else, if they just want to shoot.

I just explained why they pick those locations...it also helps that the people there may be intoxicated making them easier to trap and kill...


They do go elsewhere.....schools, gun free zones with large groups of unarmed victims....churches....gun free zones with large groups of unarmed victims.....and so on....

They also had Underage kids in there. Stamped with black X on back of hand .... no drinking wink wink. Not certain but age 18-21 allowed? Ogled for sure. Did you see those hot pants and Cowboy boots? Mercy!

 

[leftwinger]

Did anyone read or post about this shooter stopping and making an instagtram post (or some post site) during the shooting spree?

 

[2aguy]

Ah yes... just a perfect mix of drunks, women, and guns. What could possibly go wrong? You know it is illegal to be illegally impaired and carry a fire arm. Is it going to be ok then for cops to go to every bar and find everyone with a gun and give them a sobriety test?

There are about 24 states that already allow this...... so what you just posted is not based in truth, facts or reality.

When the cops stop you, and you are drunk and carrying a gun, they arrest you already.....

You really should engage your brain before you post...

Which 24? Mostly ones with almost completely rural populations? Also, individual cities within states can have their own gun laws...

And so now you are ok if a cop stands outside of every bar at closing checking for guns and to see if people carrying them are drunk? You going to be ok when those people lose their right to carry?

It only takes fucking common sense you don't mix alcohol and firearms, thus why there is a law about not carrying while drunk. So why the fuck would you want to make that easier to happen by letting people carry guns into places selling alcohol? You've lost your damn mind. I think you spend so much time looking for articles about guns you've gotten lead poisoning.

again..it is already against the law to carry a gun while intoxicated......24 states allow you to carry in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol....you are trying desperately to cling to a point about something, but you can't make that point because you don't have anything...

 

[Lewdog]

Ah yes... just a perfect mix of drunks, women, and guns. What could possibly go wrong? You know it is illegal to be illegally impaired and carry a fire arm. Is it going to be ok then for cops to go to every bar and find everyone with a gun and give them a sobriety test?

There are about 24 states that already allow this...... so what you just posted is not based in truth, facts or reality.

When the cops stop you, and you are drunk and carrying a gun, they arrest you already.....

You really should engage your brain before you post...

Which 24? Mostly ones with almost completely rural populations? Also, individual cities within states can have their own gun laws...

And so now you are ok if a cop stands outside of every bar at closing checking for guns and to see if people carrying them are drunk? You going to be ok when those people lose their right to carry?

It only takes fucking common sense you don't mix alcohol and firearms, thus why there is a law about not carrying while drunk. So why the fuck would you want to make that easier to happen by letting people carry guns into places selling alcohol? You've lost your damn mind. I think you spend so much time looking for articles about guns you've gotten lead poisoning.

again..it is already against the law to carry a gun while intoxicated......24 states allow you to carry in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol....you are trying desperately to cling to a point about something, but you can't make that point because you don't have anything...

AND AGAIN, why would you want to put people in a situation to be drunk and have guns? It's just fucking stupid. It's as bright at Trump letting the NRA talk him into allowing those with mental illness be able to buy guns.

 

[AZGAL]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

the security man was one of the first taken out by this angry freak who may have had a chip on his shoulder about some of these familiar bar people...sad sad sad

 

[2aguy]

Ah yes... just a perfect mix of drunks, women, and guns. What could possibly go wrong? You know it is illegal to be illegally impaired and carry a fire arm. Is it going to be ok then for cops to go to every bar and find everyone with a gun and give them a sobriety test?

There are about 24 states that already allow this...... so what you just posted is not based in truth, facts or reality.

When the cops stop you, and you are drunk and carrying a gun, they arrest you already.....

You really should engage your brain before you post...

Which 24? Mostly ones with almost completely rural populations? Also, individual cities within states can have their own gun laws...

And so now you are ok if a cop stands outside of every bar at closing checking for guns and to see if people carrying them are drunk? You going to be ok when those people lose their right to carry?

It only takes fucking common sense you don't mix alcohol and firearms, thus why there is a law about not carrying while drunk. So why the fuck would you want to make that easier to happen by letting people carry guns into places selling alcohol? You've lost your damn mind. I think you spend so much time looking for articles about guns you've gotten lead poisoning.

again..it is already against the law to carry a gun while intoxicated......24 states allow you to carry in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol....you are trying desperately to cling to a point about something, but you can't make that point because you don't have anything...

AND AGAIN, why would you want to put people in a situation to be drunk and have guns? It's just fucking stupid. It's as bright at Trump letting the NRA talk him into allowing those with mental illness be able to buy guns.

Again.....24 states already allow this and nothing you say willl happen has happened in the states where it has been allowed for years.....you have nothing...

The NRA was one group our of 24 that didn't want fascist asshats like you stripping Rights away from people because they have insomnia......blame the ACLU and 23 other mental health groups, you stupid doofus....

Gun Control Laws Should Be Fair

But gun control laws, like any law, should be fair, effective and not based on prejudice or stereotype. This rule met none of those criteria.

In this era of “alternative facts,” we must urge politicians to create laws based on reliable evidence and solid data.

The thousands of Americans whose disability benefits are managed by someone else range from young people with depression and financial inexperience to older adults with Down syndrome needing help with a limited budget. But no data — none — show that these individuals have a propensity for violence in general or gun violence in particular.

To the contrary, studies show that people with mental disabilities are less likely to commit firearm crimes than to be the victimsof violence by others.

--------------------------
The ACLU and 23 national disability groups did not oppose this rule because we want more guns in our community. This is about more than guns. Adding more innocent Americans to the National Instant Criminal Background database because of a mental disability is a disturbing trend — one that could be applied to voting, parenting or other rights dearer than gun ownership. We opposed it because it would do little to stem gun violence but do much to harm our civil rights.

 

[Lewdog]

Ah yes... just a perfect mix of drunks, women, and guns. What could possibly go wrong? You know it is illegal to be illegally impaired and carry a fire arm. Is it going to be ok then for cops to go to every bar and find everyone with a gun and give them a sobriety test?

There are about 24 states that already allow this...... so what you just posted is not based in truth, facts or reality.

When the cops stop you, and you are drunk and carrying a gun, they arrest you already.....

You really should engage your brain before you post...

Which 24? Mostly ones with almost completely rural populations? Also, individual cities within states can have their own gun laws...

And so now you are ok if a cop stands outside of every bar at closing checking for guns and to see if people carrying them are drunk? You going to be ok when those people lose their right to carry?

It only takes fucking common sense you don't mix alcohol and firearms, thus why there is a law about not carrying while drunk. So why the fuck would you want to make that easier to happen by letting people carry guns into places selling alcohol? You've lost your damn mind. I think you spend so much time looking for articles about guns you've gotten lead poisoning.

again..it is already against the law to carry a gun while intoxicated......24 states allow you to carry in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol....you are trying desperately to cling to a point about something, but you can't make that point because you don't have anything...

AND AGAIN, why would you want to put people in a situation to be drunk and have guns? It's just fucking stupid. It's as bright at Trump letting the NRA talk him into allowing those with mental illness be able to buy guns.

Again.....24 states already allow this and nothing you say willl happen has happened in the states where it has been allowed for years.....you have nothing...

The NRA was one group our of 24 that didn't want fascist asshats like you stripping Rights away from people because they have insomnia......blame the ACLU and 23 other mental health groups, you stupid doofus....

Gun Control Laws Should Be Fair

But gun control laws, like any law, should be fair, effective and not based on prejudice or stereotype. This rule met none of those criteria.

In this era of “alternative facts,” we must urge politicians to create laws based on reliable evidence and solid data.

The thousands of Americans whose disability benefits are managed by someone else range from young people with depression and financial inexperience to older adults with Down syndrome needing help with a limited budget. But no data — none — show that these individuals have a propensity for violence in general or gun violence in particular.

To the contrary, studies show that people with mental disabilities are less likely to commit firearm crimes than to be the victimsof violence by others.

--------------------------
The ACLU and 23 national disability groups did not oppose this rule because we want more guns in our community. This is about more than guns. Adding more innocent Americans to the National Instant Criminal Background database because of a mental disability is a disturbing trend — one that could be applied to voting, parenting or other rights dearer than gun ownership. We opposed it because it would do little to stem gun violence but do much to harm our civil rights.

AGAIN... just because 24 states allow it doesn't mean it is smart.

And no, I'm not going to blame the ACLU for Trump making it easier for those with mental illness to be able to buy guns. That's TRUMP'S decision... and every time some fucking idiot like the one in California with a mental illness that shouldn't have a gun shoots up a crowd of people, that's on Trump.

 

[MaryL]

Another gun free zone, and another question for our anti-gunners....if you were in that NightClub when the shooter came in.....violating the gun control laws of California, the gun free zone, and the laws against murder.....

Would you want a gun to save your life with? How about to save your wife, or other family members?

What I would like, is that nobody has guns to begin with. That would sort of end this vicious cycle. No guns= no mass shootings. I have a right to own something I despise. I liken the second amendment to the right to pour acid down your pants. We really need that.

 

[2aguy]

There are about 24 states that already allow this...... so what you just posted is not based in truth, facts or reality.

When the cops stop you, and you are drunk and carrying a gun, they arrest you already.....

You really should engage your brain before you post...

Which 24? Mostly ones with almost completely rural populations? Also, individual cities within states can have their own gun laws...

And so now you are ok if a cop stands outside of every bar at closing checking for guns and to see if people carrying them are drunk? You going to be ok when those people lose their right to carry?

It only takes fucking common sense you don't mix alcohol and firearms, thus why there is a law about not carrying while drunk. So why the fuck would you want to make that easier to happen by letting people carry guns into places selling alcohol? You've lost your damn mind. I think you spend so much time looking for articles about guns you've gotten lead poisoning.

again..it is already against the law to carry a gun while intoxicated......24 states allow you to carry in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol....you are trying desperately to cling to a point about something, but you can't make that point because you don't have anything...

AND AGAIN, why would you want to put people in a situation to be drunk and have guns? It's just fucking stupid. It's as bright at Trump letting the NRA talk him into allowing those with mental illness be able to buy guns.

Again.....24 states already allow this and nothing you say willl happen has happened in the states where it has been allowed for years.....you have nothing...

The NRA was one group our of 24 that didn't want fascist asshats like you stripping Rights away from people because they have insomnia......blame the ACLU and 23 other mental health groups, you stupid doofus....

Gun Control Laws Should Be Fair

But gun control laws, like any law, should be fair, effective and not based on prejudice or stereotype. This rule met none of those criteria.

In this era of “alternative facts,” we must urge politicians to create laws based on reliable evidence and solid data.

The thousands of Americans whose disability benefits are managed by someone else range from young people with depression and financial inexperience to older adults with Down syndrome needing help with a limited budget. But no data — none — show that these individuals have a propensity for violence in general or gun violence in particular.

To the contrary, studies show that people with mental disabilities are less likely to commit firearm crimes than to be the victimsof violence by others.

--------------------------
The ACLU and 23 national disability groups did not oppose this rule because we want more guns in our community. This is about more than guns. Adding more innocent Americans to the National Instant Criminal Background database because of a mental disability is a disturbing trend — one that could be applied to voting, parenting or other rights dearer than gun ownership. We opposed it because it would do little to stem gun violence but do much to harm our civil rights.

AGAIN... just because 24 states allow it doesn't mean it is smart.

And no, I'm not going to blame the ACLU for Trump making it easier for those with mental illness to be able to buy guns. That's TRUMP'S decision... and every time some fucking idiot like the one in California with a mental illness that shouldn't have a gun shoots up a crowd of people, that's on Trump.

Yes.... you are a moron...... 24 states already allow people to go to a bar and carry a gun, they just can't drink.....there have been none of the problems you say will happen....but you say the actual facts on the ground, the actual experience where they have actually done this without problems...means nothing.....showing you truly are a left wing doofus.

And yes.....the ACLU, a bigger organization than the NRA and 23 other mental health organizations also opposed stripping Rights from people and you just blame Trump....you are really fucking stupid.

And then, California Authorities had this guy, talked and studied this guy, and let him go.....and it was their gun laws in control of this guy getting a gun.....for decades....and now it is Trump's fault..... you are a doofus.....

 

[2aguy]

Another gun free zone, and another question for our anti-gunners....if you were in that NightClub when the shooter came in.....violating the gun control laws of California, the gun free zone, and the laws against murder.....

Would you want a gun to save your life with? How about to save your wife, or other family members?

What I would like, is that nobody has guns to begin with. That would sort of end this vicious cycle. No guns= no mass shootings. I have a right to own something I despise. I liken the second amendment to the right to pour acid down your pants. We really need that.

No guns = mass murder by government.....as we saw in Germany, The rest of Europe, Russia, China, Cambodia, Cuba......and that would mean that the 1.1 million times that Americans use their guns to stop rapes, robberies and murders would not happen......that means those rapes, robberies and murders would be completed with more death and bloodshed because the criminals can't be stopped.....

There was already a time in history when guns did not exist on this planet...do you realize this? What was the world like then, do you know? The strong, raped, murdered and enslaved the weak...... it was only with the creation of guns that civilization was able to fight back the barbarians.......

 

[2aguy]

Another gun free zone, and another question for our anti-gunners....if you were in that NightClub when the shooter came in.....violating the gun control laws of California, the gun free zone, and the laws against murder.....

Would you want a gun to save your life with? How about to save your wife, or other family members?

What I would like, is that nobody has guns to begin with. That would sort of end this vicious cycle. No guns= no mass shootings. I have a right to own something I despise. I liken the second amendment to the right to pour acid down your pants. We really need that.

How do you explain this......how is that like pouring acid down your pants..when the crime rates go down, not up?

Does the truth, facts or reality have any bearing on how you think about things?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[depotoo]

I would have, seeing as he took a break to post to Facebook. Maybe someone could have prevented more carnage when he started back up.