So if a private business owner says one has to be vaxxed to work there

[Rigby5]

As "rights" they are more accurately stated as "the right to force someone to bake you a cake" or "the right to force Twitter to let you post". I still have hope that reasonable people will draw the line on this kind of stupidity.

No, the right is "equality under the law".
If you walk into a store, no one has the right to refuse service because they don't like you and want to harm you by denying service.
That is shunning and illegal.
Boycotts are different in that they are supposed to be in response to something, like Israel abusing Palestinians.

 

[Rigby5]

Let's say that your group insurance policy requires all employees to be vaxxed. You decide that you won't be. That means you just lost your insurance and cannot be present around other workers. You are now in breech of contract and deemed health and employment risk. You get one chance to correct it. Most companies will make sure you can get your vax in the company parking lot or from the Company nurse on the Companies dime. Decide against the Vax and they have every legal right to send you down the road.

Wrong.
No insurance can require being vaxxed and the most they can do is refuse payment if you get infected and start running up health bills.
You are NOT in breach of contract because you never signed any such contract giving up your choice.
Nor can anyone deem you a health risk or employment risk, since the vax does not change any of that.
In fact, the fax may well be a future death sentence. They have no way of knowing.

 

[JohnDB]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/us/mask-protests-1918.html.

 

[dblack]

No, the right is "equality under the law".

You're misinterpreting that phrase. Equality under the law means that people are treated equally by the government. It doesn't mean we have to treat each other equally.

 

[Rigby5]

Oh, god. Not your ridiculous idea that we have our own similar “spike” proteins. We don’t. Stop it.

What the hell kind of doctors do you talk to?

You can’t fire someone for being pregnant because states passed laws making that specifically illegal. There is no such law with regard to vaccination. I’ve been providing proof of vaccination as a contingency of employment for a decade. This isn’t new.

You have no right to “economic survival”. An employer can fire you regardless of your ability to “survive”.

That is incredibly ignorant.
Do you know anything at all about why viruses even have SPIKES?

The reason why viruses have spikes is they are pretending to be our own exosomes.
By mimicking exosome, they get let into our cells.
They do that by acting just like our exosomes, and sticking one of their spike proteins into an ACE2 resceptor.
When the virus does that, the cell thinks it is an exosome knocking, so the cell lets in whatever has its spike protein stuck into the ACE2 receptor.

So if our own ACE2 receptors can not distinguish between real exosome spike proteins and the virus spike proteins, why should anyone expect the immune system be any better at differentiating?

Read about exosome spikes and what exosomes and corona viruses have in common.
How else do yo think the exosomes that are used for intercellular communication, get inside a cell?
They essentially knock by putting their spike into the same ACE2 receptors that covid spikes use.

What Do Exosomes and Viruses Like HIV & Corona Have In Common?

Dr. James Hildreth PhD MD, proposed that “the virus is fully an exosome in every sense of the word.” [1] What Are Exosomes? Exosomes are membrane bound extracellular vesicles (EVs) that are produce…

phoreveryoung.wordpress.com

{...

Are COVID-19 and HIV, Exosomes?​

Based upon electron microscopy the so-called COVID-19 virus and the the so-called HIV virus are 100 nm in diameter and appear identical to exosomes.
...
In January 18th of 2020, three scientists published a scientific paper describing the protective purpose of exosomes, entitled, “Exosome-Mediated Transfer of ACE2 (Angiotensin-Converting Enzyme 2) from Endothelial Progenitor Cells Promotes Survival and Function of Endothelial Cell.”[9]
...}

And you clearly do not understand law.
The legality in the abstract has to be true first, before you can pass a law.
You can't just make it so by passing mere legislation.
The reason you can't fire a person for becoming pregnant is there is no valid cause.
Same as there is no valid cause for firing a person who does not vax.

An employer can fire without cause, but if they fire for an illegal cause, such as over a vax, then they lose, big time.

 

[Rigby5]

There is NO metric like that in this country.

Maybe in the Kremlin trolls country but I doubt even that

If there is no need to the employer, than it is just an illegal attempt at extortion, just like sexual extortion.
You do not understand the basics of law.

 

[Rigby5]

How about being addicted to sucking on an oxygen bottle for months or years?

Going to regularly scheduled dialysis treatments until a kidney becomes available...

True....most people don't die from coronavirus. Most people don't die from the flu either...but the resulting organ damage from these viruses kills a lot of people and disables multiple times that number more every year.

My Father-in-law was an antivaxxer...but he is going to a pulmonologist next week to see about his lungs(can't let go of the oxygen bottle)...he hasn't ever smoked either.... well maybe some pork buts and ribs...but that's all. He is an aircraft mechanic...sole support for his house.

Now what is he and his family supposed to do?

Wrong.
The virus does no significant harm to lungs, kidneys, etc.
Those are all auto immune diseases from the cytokine storm over reaction.
There are lot of treatments, like Fluvoxamine, Ivermectin, Quinine, etc., that can suppress that.

 

[Rigby5]

You can be let go for NO reason in at will employment. What is hard to understand about that? You seem to think the So called greatest nations workers have protections. Laughable.

Very few states have "at will" employment.

 

[Lesh]

If there is no need to the employer, than it is just an illegal attempt at extortion, just like sexual extortion.
You do not understand the basics of law.

State the law. Or are you referring to laws in your native Russia?

 

[Rigby5]

You're misinterpreting that phrase. Equality under the law means that people are treated equally by the government. It doesn't mean we have to treat each other equally.

Wrong.
After the 14th amendment, no one can violate individual rights.
It is law and government that finally decides if you illegally discriminated, abused, or infringed.
Employers with more than 3 employees are bound by the law to treat all people equally.
There is no discrimination that is legal unless it can be shown to effect the business.

 

[Lesh]

The virus does no significant harm to lungs, kidneys, etc.

"Dr. Rigby" speaks huh? That's false of course. I'd ask for a link that nonsense but Dr. Rigby doesn't do documentation

Those are all auto immune diseases from the cytokine storm over reaction.

Cytokine storm occurs in addition to all the other things covid does to the human body

There are lot of treatments, like Fluvoxamine, Ivermectin, Quinine, etc., that can suppress that.

Ahh...horse dewormer.

I'm so suprised

 

[Lesh]

Employers with more than 3 employees are bound by the law to treat all people equally.

Hey stupid. As long as you don't discriminate based on age or sex or race...nope

 

[Lesh]

Very few states have "at will" employment.

Christ you're an idiot. All states are "at will" regarding employment with certain exceptions

Public policy exceptions[edit]​

U.S. states (Blue) without a public policy exception
Under the public policy exception, an employer may not fire an employee, if the termination would violate the state's public policy doctrine or a state or federal statute.

This includes retaliating against an employee for performing an action that complies with public policy (such as repeatedly warning that the employer is shipping defective airplane parts in violation of safety regulations promulgated pursuant to the Federal Aviation Act of 1958[30]), as well as refusing to perform an action that would violate public policy. In this diagram, the pink states have the 'exception', which protects the employee.

As of October 2000,[31] 42 U.S. states and the District of Columbia recognize public policy as an exception to the at-will rule.[32]

The 8 states which do not have the exception are:

• Alabama
• Florida – three limited conditions can override an at-will agreement[33]
• Georgia
• Louisiana
• Maine
• Nebraska
• New York
• Rhode Island

 

[Rigby5]

State the law. Or are you referring to laws in your native Russia?

The 14th amendment prohibits unequal treatment under the law, and since it is the government that issues permits for companies to be able to open to the public, for business, then no company open to the public and licensed by government to operate, can legally discriminate.

equal-protection-of-the-laws

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Rigby5]

Hey stupid. As long as you don't discriminate based on age or sex or race...nope

Wrong.
Anti discrimination laws can specify specific protected groups, but those differ by state so are relevant to this discussion.
What is relevant is that all employers have to be licensed to be open to the public and to hire employees, so then can't discriminate on any basis without violating the 14th amendment.

 

[Rigby5]

Christ you're an idiot. All states are "at will" regarding employment with certain exceptions

Public policy exceptions[edit]​

U.S. states (Blue) without a public policy exception
Under the public policy exception, an employer may not fire an employee, if the termination would violate the state's public policy doctrine or a state or federal statute.

This includes retaliating against an employee for performing an action that complies with public policy (such as repeatedly warning that the employer is shipping defective airplane parts in violation of safety regulations promulgated pursuant to the Federal Aviation Act of 1958[30]), as well as refusing to perform an action that would violate public policy. In this diagram, the pink states have the 'exception', which protects the employee.

As of October 2000,[31] 42 U.S. states and the District of Columbia recognize public policy as an exception to the at-will rule.[32]

The 8 states which do not have the exception are:

• Alabama
• Florida – three limited conditions can override an at-will agreement[33]
• Georgia
• Louisiana
• Maine
• Nebraska
• New York
• Rhode Island

Wrong only the few dark gray states in this image do not have employee protections.

Which States Are At-Will Employment States?

Find out the employment at will laws for your state, including whether there are public policy exemptions or covenant of good faith, with our map and table.

www.paycor.com

In fact, you have interpreted your own diagram wrong, and the few blue states are the only ones where you can get fired without cause.

 

[dblack]

Wrong.
After the 14th amendment, no one can violate individual rights.
It is law and government that finally decides if you illegally discriminated, abused, or infringed.
Employers with more than 3 employees are bound by the law to treat all people equally.
There is no discrimination that is legal unless it can be shown to effect the business.

That's a fantasy. It's not what the law says and it's not how it's enforced. Ask a lawyer.

 

[JohnDB]

Wrong.
The virus does no significant harm to lungs, kidneys, etc.
Those are all auto immune diseases from the cytokine storm over reaction.
There are lot of treatments, like Fluvoxamine, Ivermectin, Quinine, etc., that can suppress that.

That's fantasy medicine for deathbed patients.
Not something that 99% of American doctors are going to proscribe....

Because we are in a pandemic, antibody treatments are rationed and so are most of the medications that are truly helpful. Even oxygen is rationed currently.

People are getting Covid and then becoming disabled....there's no fixing that. There's no magic cure. None of the internet darling medications work to give you another set of lungs or kidneys or liver or brain.

Covid could trigger a spike in dementia cases, say Alzheimer's experts

Research has shown that Covid-19 can increase a person's likelihood of developing dementia, said Alzheimer's Disease International.

www.cnbc.com

 

[colfax_m]

That is incredibly ignorant.

You're repeating information from basic biology and thinking you're pretty smart.

Here's your chance to prove your point and show how smart you are.

What is the human analogue to the COVID spike protein? Give me the name of the protein.

 

[colfax_m]

An employer can fire without cause, but if they fire for an illegal cause, such as over a vax, then they lose, big time.

So show me the law that makes it illegal to fire for a vaccination if you claim this is an illegal cause.