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It’s a big big liberal myth that “private” means the party can do what they wish with no cause shown.Do you mean the employer can't fire them? Sure they can. Any time for any reason (beyond the "protected classes" horseshit, which should be eliminated).
It's funny how, now that it suits them, Republicans are happy to hide behind the "labor law" and phony "civil rights" crap.
Most of the people that oppose these rights issues are simply not in touch with the real world. They are living in a mid 20th century dream of gays hiding in the closet, women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, and blacks in the cotton fields where they belong.Masterpiece Cakeshop would be the first one that comes to mind but the right has been stating this for a long time.
An employer can change qualifications for employment anytime. They can make masks, vaccines, dress codes, funny green hats, and most of anything else mandatory as long as they do not violate state and federal goverment employment laws or employment contracts.Since when?
Yeppp....An employer can change qualifications for employment anytime. They can make masks, vaccines, dress codes, funny green hats, and most of anything else mandatory as long as they do not violate state and federal goverment employment laws or employment contracts.
Absolutely true.It’s a big big liberal myth that “private” means the party can do what they wish with no cause shown.
It’s kinda like the math that libs can’t comprehend either.
Private property, private business-all have to follow rules and laws and Never can do absolutely what they want because they are “private”
That's no myth. It's the basic premise of liberty. As a default, we don't have to justify our actions to the government. We don't need "cause".It’s a big big liberal myth that “private” means the party can do what they wish with no cause shown.
You keep griping about libs - but you sound exactly like one. These are all the same excuses they trot out when the want big government to intervene.Private property, private business-all have to follow rules and laws and Never can do absolutely what they want because they are “private”
These aren't "rights" issues. None of it. It's just government bullying.Most of the people that oppose these rights issues are simply not in touch with the real world. They are living in a mid 20th century dream of gays hiding in the closet, women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, and blacks in the cotton fields where they belong.
Do you mean the employer can't fire them? Sure they can. Any time for any reason (beyond the "protected classes" horseshit, which should be eliminated).
It's funny how, now that it suits them, Republicans are happy to hide behind the "labor law" and phony "civil rights" crap.
Partially correct.
Yes, religious and medical exemptions apply but you can ask employees if they are seeking an exemption. You can also ask that their medical exemption be supported by documentation from a medical professional.
The people in the lawsuit mentioned were not seeking a medical or religious exemption. They were challenging the policy full stop.
I’ve had discussions with lawyers about this. It’s legal.
I’m not aware of any law that states a work requirement has to provide an advantage to the employer.No its not legal, because the vax does not provide any advantage to the employer, since the vaxxed can still get infected and still pass it along.
Lawyers usually do not know what it theoretically right or wrong, but instead just how judges are likely to rule.
And that is whole point of being progressive to me, to force judges to finally start getting things right.
They are doing most things wrong currently, like the War On Drugs, mandated sentences, 3 strikes, asset forfeiture, and all sorts of illegal thing the courts are doing now.
These aren't "rights" issues. None of it. It's just government bullying.
Trumpsters don't have a "right" to a job free of vaccination requirements.
Trump doesn't have a "right" to force Twitter to accommodate his trolling.
Gays don't have a "right" to force bakers to make them wedding cakes.
In my private business, I will not serve Biden voters. I say right up front...sign on the door. Biden voters SWIPE LEFT.
I’m not aware of any law that states a work requirement has to provide an advantage to the employer.
Furthermore, simply that the vaccine is not 100% effective does not mean it wouldn’t provide an advantage in the first place.
Because you're not forcing something on anyone. You're making it a condition of their employment. The employee is not obligated to remain employed, therefore you're not infringing on their rights.Its basic law.
You can NEVER force anything on anyone else unless there is some over riding need to serve the rights of others.
Even violating privacy by asking a person if they are vaccinated is inherently illegal unless you can show some reason why it is justified.
Its political personal opinion, just like asking someone who they voted for.
These mRNA vaccines are rapidly loosing all effectiveness because they did not use a whole virus in the vaccines.
They are dropping in effectiveness so quickly, that they likely will be useless within a year.
These mRNA vaccines likely are not being stored in T-cell memory, but simply produce transient antibodies that go away.
And since all vaccines also have negatives, you can not then say they for sure have an advantage.
I am not sure what the consensus is in the medical field, but unlike what the CDC, politicians, and media are saying, I think more than half the medical community are extremely unhappy with these mRNA vaccines for covid.
They are not well done and do not follow the science.
Couldn't disagree more. Government should stay out of it.No, labor law protect extends way beyond the few listed protected groups.
And it is obviously wrong for employers to arbitrarily fire.
We need a lot more labor protection laws.
Nor is there any basis for firing over vaccinations since the vaccinations do not prevent infection or spread.
They provide no advantage to the employer.
As "rights" they are more accurately stated as "the right to force someone to bake you a cake" or "the right to force Twitter to let you post". I still have hope that reasonable people will draw the line on this kind of stupidity.Yes they are right.
Because you're not forcing something on anyone. You're making it a condition of their employment. The employee is not obligated to remain employed, therefore you're not infringing on their rights.
Also, merely asking someone about their health information is not a violation of rights.
The consensus in the medical community I'm a part of is that the vaccines are working as well as we could hope. The severe cases of COVID we are seeing are among the the unvaccinated with VERY rare exceptions in individuals we would expect to not have a robust immune response from any vaccine (transplanted individuals for example). We are following the science very closely. It's nice with personal experience reinforces the conclusions of these studies.
