So I infiltrated a "coffee Party" meeting and i found out....

[rightwinger]

"Yawn" old pictures of either infilitrators or idiots. Do you actually have anything you can grasp enough to debate?

Lets get serious here Pilgrim. Here is why I don't respect Tea Baggers and don't think they deserve respect as a legitimate political movement

1. Tea Baggers started protesting TWO WEEKS after Obama took office. They ignored Bush tax cuts that added $2.5 trillion in debt, an unfunded Prescription drug plan, an unfunded no child left behind bil, two wars that were not budgeted. This makes me question their true motiation

2. Tea Bagger tactics: The infiltration of Town Hall meetings in other districts solely to shout down intelligent debate on a critical national issue. People who were not even from the district shouted down, heckled and intimidated people who were there to debate the issue

3. Tea Bagger rhetoric: Balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility are legitimate concerns. Wrapping those concerns in rhetoric about Obama is Kenyan, Obama is a Socialist/Marxist/Fascist, Obama as the equivalent of Hitler and many that were much worse

4. Tea Bagger speakers: Again swayed from the basic message and embraced Tommy Tancredo, Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin as their keynote speakers. These speakers had an obvious agenda that had nothing to do with fiscal responsibility

These people are not "infiltrators"....they represent your movement and your decisions. So the answer is no. I do not consider the Tea Party to be a legitimate movement and do not think they have earned Americas respect.

 

[Dante]

...that they actually agree with the values of the tea partiers. It was fun being at the harvard forum at annabell park and actually passing on the truth about the teaparties to people who only knew the lies.

I made statements about a fiscally responsible government, they agreed
I made statements about reducing the national debt they agreed.
I made statements about limiting the power of the government, they agreed.

I told them I was a tea party member and they got confused . They didn't realize what the tea parties stood for and didn't believe me when I said thats what we were about.

I guess the plants with their moronic signs were used very effectively by the media to misrepresent and disparage the tea party people and our message, kudos to the media and the big government crowd for successfully perpetrating those lies and misrepresentations of the tea party.

did you forget to mention anything about the 'faggots' and 'niggars'?

 

[Dante]

hmmm and del is in on it, too?

nope, i just know there's a rally tomorrow.

the last big gathering i attended was in 1973-i don't like crowds.

stage fright?

 

[Dante]

1973? war was drawing down....race riots were nearly over...what was it...musical?

too late for woodstock.....

hmmm i am stumpled here

SUMMER JAM 1973

shit! I thought you were Boston enough to remember going to SummerFest.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

I doubt he forgot it... given that it's a discussion of principle.

Once we agree in principle; once the principles are outlined, specificed and re-established; the programs which are to be cut become self-evident. The issue then simply becomes which ones will demand that the principles be damned... and those will of course be THE LEFTISTS.

We do in fact agree in principle, though you might find it strange. I believe that things like Social Security, Medicare and Defense Spending all need to be cut.

With Social Security and Medicare, I would raise the retirement age to a level more applicable to an age where people are living longer and healthier lives.

With Defense, I would close the vast majority of our foreign bases, and cut programs that are not directly related to the defense of our nation. That would amount to about a 50% cut.

So you'd raise the retirement age? And what would that accomplish?

I mean ya started off saying we agreed in principle... and here ya are telling someone when they need to retire. What business of yours is when someone decides to retire?

You've no business using the power of government to see to their retirement or their healthcare in their old age.

I agree that there are many bases around the world which we could close. And many which need to be expanded to secure our interests in those regions.

The US has international interests and that requires a mighty big stick to secure those interests. One of the first things we could do is to cut homosexuality out of the equation, and right off the BAT we save ourselves a SHITLOAD of coin... on the VA HIV Meds alone.

Growing economies don't raise taxes... they cut taxes, and the slashed expenditures, coupled with the growing economy pays down the debt.

As has been discussed previously in other threads, the point on the Laffer Curve where cutting taxes raises revenues is long past, ESPECIALLY due to the fact that the economy collapsed in itself recently to the tune of tens of trillions of dollars.

The Economy collapsed because of the Left's legislative manipulation regarding "FAIRNESS IN HOUSING" which required the setting aside of sound lending policy, which lead to a rush on Mortgages, the exponential increase in the market value of real-estate that followed that run and the inevitable inability of the market to sustain those values; busting the financial and real-estate markets, which crippled the building industry and it's ancillary markets...

When the Left came in to 'rescue' the finance markets, it forced the sustenance of those inflated values, and as a result has prevented the necessary corrections which would have returned those values to balance; which would have provided for some discernible recovery of the building and housing markets; which would have initiated a recovery of the credit and finance markets...

It's not a complex equation Sis... just one which appears to be complex when one is so foolish as to consider the Left's revisionist rationalizations to cloak their collective responsibilities for the economy wreckage.

Who's "she"?

Probably someone advocating a feminized position...

Two easy examples, right off the top of my head are:

-Medicare Part D
-Various Defense programs

In fact, federal spending under Bush, and the Republican congress increased more than under any other president since Johnson.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp87.pdf

Like it or not, these are, specifically, "Republican Programs that need funding".

OH! ROFL... I see what you're saying... You're wanting to conflate the Progressives in the GOP with the Americans in the GOP. That's understandable... and if I were pushing your position, I'd probably be tempted to do the same thing. Because to do so, would make it appear, that the REPUBLICANS were just like YOU!

But here's the thing... We fully recognize that Progressives have seriously infected the GOP... and we're working that out. But GW Bush didn't get to 35% because the Americans in the GOP were happy with his signing the largest entitlement since LBJ. I know you like to believe that his poll numbers were because of 'the war'... but, as usual... you're wrong.

However, with that said; there are no Conservative Programs which need funding... If I said "Republican" I hereby correct that... Americans do not ask the Government for assistance. We just do it... whatever it is; and move on.

The only thing Americans ask of the government is to leave us the hell alone.
And that's not even including the vast amount of pork expenditures, like the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere" that were undertaken by REPUBLICANS.

There's only one relevant faction and that is the American Faction... Everything else is merely a rationalization of the Ideological Left and can readily be dismissed as an irrelevant means to an entitlement end.

Oh universal position on those factions begins and ends with FUCK YOU!

Not really sure where you're going with this except to plant a couple of talking points into the conversation.

Oh, then let me clear it up for ya... The point was to underscore the fact that: THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS.

 

[Vast LWC]

So you'd raise the retirement age? And what would that accomplish?

Raising the retirement age would cut dispersed benefits and increase revenue.

I mean ya started off saying we agreed in principle... and here ya are telling someone when they need to retire. What business of yours is when someone decides to retire?

You've no business using the power of government to see to their retirement or their healthcare in their old age.

People can retire whenever the hell they want, they just won't get benefits from the government until a higher age.

As to the second part, ok, so you support doing away with retirement safety net programs and leaving old folks high and dry. Good luck selling that one.

I agree that there are many bases around the world which we could close. And many which need to be expanded to secure our interests in those regions.

The US has international interests and that requires a mighty big stick to secure those interests.

None of which is sanctioned by the Constitution, thus my point. The "common defense" certainly was not intended to include the occupation of foreign countries.

So if you want to have your Madisonian Constitutional ideals, this would be included.

One of the first things we could do is to cut homosexuality out of the equation, and right off the BAT we save ourselves a SHITLOAD of coin... on the VA HIV Meds alone.

The vast majority of HIV infections are now straight people, not homosexuals, so your point is factually incorrect, as well as inane, and biggoted.

The Economy collapsed because of the Left's legislative manipulation regarding "FAIRNESS IN HOUSING" which required the setting aside of sound lending policy, which lead to a rush on Mortgages, the exponential increase in the market value of real-estate that followed that run and the inevitable inability of the market to sustain those values; busting the financial and real-estate markets, which crippled the building industry and it's ancillary markets...

When the Left came in to 'rescue' the finance markets, it forced the sustenance of those inflated values, and as a result has prevented the necessary corrections which would have returned those values to balance; which would have provided for some discernible recovery of the building and housing markets; which would have initiated a recovery of the credit and finance markets...

It's not a complex equation Sis... just one which appears to be complex when one is so foolish as to consider the Left's revisionist rationalizations to cloak their collective responsibilities for the economy wreckage.

OK,

1. It was the Republicans who came to the rescue of the Financial Markets. Good ol' Bushie boy and friends to be exact. The Democrats changed the Bush plan for loans to be given out, to be investments that returned a dividend.

2. While the "fairness in housing" deal was in fact a Democratic SNAFU, the deregulation of the derivatives and credit default swaps was a REPUBLICAN fuck-up, one which they are perpetuating even now, as they attempt to block Democratic attempts to re-regulate the market.

If it weren't for these "financial instruments", the "fairness in housing" legislations would have have a negligible effect on the overall economy.

and

3. My manhood is, in all probability, much larger than yours, so I'd suggest you stop calling me "Sis", Nancy-boy. I know you'd like to find a nice guy to make your "woman", but I don't swing that way.

Probably someone advocating a feminized position...

OH! ROFL... I see what you're saying... You're wanting to conflate the Progressives in the GOP with the Americans in the GOP. That's understandable... and if I were pushing your position, I'd probably be tempted to do the same thing. Because to do so, would make it appear, that the REPUBLICANS were just like YOU!

But here's the thing... We fully recognize that Progressives have seriously infected the GOP... and we're working that out. But GW Bush didn't get to 35% because the Americans in the GOP were happy with his signing the largest entitlement since LBJ. I know you like to believe that his poll numbers were because of 'the war'... but, as usual... you're wrong.

However, with that said; there are no Conservative Programs which need funding... If I said "Republican" I hereby correct that... Americans do not ask the Government for assistance. We just do it... whatever it is; and move on.

LOL, you're "working it out" by voting for more Republicans! Good luck with that. Sure worked well last time.

The only thing Americans ask of the government is to leave us the hell alone.

Oh, then let me clear it up for ya... The point was to underscore the fact that: THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS.

So you, like so many assholes before you, claim that anyone that differs from your opinion is in fact a traitor to the US, as exemplified by your claim that if you are a Leftist, you are not an American.

Well, as a departure from my normal rational style of debate: As a veteran, I say, with all due respect, go Fuck yourself.

And here's a dose of your own medicine:

Treasonous Anarchists like yourself, who are planning to try and start a Civil War if you don't get your way, should be ejected, forcefully, from our beautiful nation before you destroy it. But unfortunately we can't actually do that without abandoning our principles, so please feel free to leave voluntarily if you don't like the Democratic process.

 

[California Girl]

"Yawn" old pictures of either infilitrators or idiots. Do you actually have anything you can grasp enough to debate?

Lets get serious here Pilgrim. Here is why I don't respect Tea Baggers and don't think they deserve respect as a legitimate political movement

1. Tea Baggers started protesting TWO WEEKS after Obama took office. They ignored Bush tax cuts that added $2.5 trillion in debt, an unfunded Prescription drug plan, an unfunded no child left behind bil, two wars that were not budgeted. This makes me question their true motiation

2. Tea Bagger tactics: The infiltration of Town Hall meetings in other districts solely to shout down intelligent debate on a critical national issue. People who were not even from the district shouted down, heckled and intimidated people who were there to debate the issue

3. Tea Bagger rhetoric: Balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility are legitimate concerns. Wrapping those concerns in rhetoric about Obama is Kenyan, Obama is a Socialist/Marxist/Fascist, Obama as the equivalent of Hitler and many that were much worse

4. Tea Bagger speakers: Again swayed from the basic message and embraced Tommy Tancredo, Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin as their keynote speakers. These speakers had an obvious agenda that had nothing to do with fiscal responsibility

These people are not "infiltrators"....they represent your movement and your decisions. So the answer is no. I do not consider the Tea Party to be a legitimate movement and do not think they have earned Americas respect.

That is, in fact, bullshit.

1. My dad went to his first TEA party in '07, in California. The TEA Party as a movement, started on April 14, 2009. That ain't two weeks after Obama took office.

2. TEA Party members are American citizens. They are entitled to go to public meetings, just like the lefties who have used the same tactic since the '60s.

3. That's just repeating MSM crap. The 'evidence' used (ie the pics) is not 'evidence' since no one seems to be able to document when and where any of these images were taken.

4. That's your opinion. You're welcome to it but that doesn't make it fact.

Millions of Americans identify with the TEA party movement. You don't see it as legitimate. So what? Your opinion is based on bullshit, so it's not valid.

Fact is, that the left has been infiltrating the TEA parties since it's inception. It's a tactic the left created - now the right use it against the left. Good for them. What goes around, comes around.

 

[rightwinger]

"Yawn" old pictures of either infilitrators or idiots. Do you actually have anything you can grasp enough to debate?

Lets get serious here Pilgrim. Here is why I don't respect Tea Baggers and don't think they deserve respect as a legitimate political movement

1. Tea Baggers started protesting TWO WEEKS after Obama took office. They ignored Bush tax cuts that added $2.5 trillion in debt, an unfunded Prescription drug plan, an unfunded no child left behind bil, two wars that were not budgeted. This makes me question their true motiation

2. Tea Bagger tactics: The infiltration of Town Hall meetings in other districts solely to shout down intelligent debate on a critical national issue. People who were not even from the district shouted down, heckled and intimidated people who were there to debate the issue

3. Tea Bagger rhetoric: Balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility are legitimate concerns. Wrapping those concerns in rhetoric about Obama is Kenyan, Obama is a Socialist/Marxist/Fascist, Obama as the equivalent of Hitler and many that were much worse

4. Tea Bagger speakers: Again swayed from the basic message and embraced Tommy Tancredo, Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin as their keynote speakers. These speakers had an obvious agenda that had nothing to do with fiscal responsibility

These people are not "infiltrators"....they represent your movement and your decisions. So the answer is no. I do not consider the Tea Party to be a legitimate movement and do not think they have earned Americas respect.

That is, in fact, bullshit.

1. My dad went to his first TEA party in '07, in California. The TEA Party as a movement, started on April 14, 2009. That ain't two weeks after Obama took office.

2. TEA Party members are American citizens. They are entitled to go to public meetings, just like the lefties who have used the same tactic since the '60s.

3. That's just repeating MSM crap. The 'evidence' used (ie the pics) is not 'evidence' since no one seems to be able to document when and where any of these images were taken.

4. That's your opinion. You're welcome to it but that doesn't make it fact.

Millions of Americans identify with the TEA party movement. You don't see it as legitimate. So what? Your opinion is based on bullshit, so it's not valid.

Fact is, that the left has been infiltrating the TEA parties since it's inception. It's a tactic the left created - now the right use it against the left. Good for them. What goes around, comes around.

Here is why I don't respect Tea Baggers and don't think they deserve respect as a legitimate political movement

Your paranoia of every questionable act being conducted by "infiltrators" is laughable. The Tea Party movement has set its agenda, its tactics and its message. They are responsible for its conduct and its message. As an American citizen, I have found much of their behavior and choice of message to be objectionable.
As such, I will continue to dismiss their movement as part of the lunatic fringe until such time as they moderate their message and their tactics

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Unfortunately I have to take off for the evening.

Pilgrim, as always, though we disagree, it was a pleasure debating you.

I'm going to give you rep on a random post just for being such a civil debater.

We learn a lot more and broaden our horizons a lot more when we aren't jerks to each other just because we disagree.

I'm hear to learn and expand my opinions and your one of the people that can help do so without being a jerk about it. Rep for you too.


EDIT: I'm not ignoring the other posts since this one but i'm real busy and have to work, i promise to come back and respond to anything else ASAP.

 

[Vast LWC]

We learn a lot more and broaden our horizons a lot more when we aren't jerks to each other just because we disagree.

I'm hear to learn and expand my opinions and your one of the people that can help do so without being a jerk about it. Rep for you too.


EDIT: I'm not ignoring the other posts since this one but i'm real busy and have to work, i promise to come back and respond to anything else ASAP.

I completely agree.

It is unfortunate when I find myself responding to posters in a less polite manner like the response I made to Publius, above. My bad, but I couldn't help myself.

Non-aggro debate is much more enjoyable and useful tool in working out our differences.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

On second thought there were no following posts that needed a response so I wont .

I fail at being civil at times myself VastLWC, but as long as we recognize when we err and try to work to be better in the future its all good .

I might give rightwinger a few min though, he tried at least so I should reciprocate.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

"Yawn" old pictures of either infilitrators or idiots. Do you actually have anything you can grasp enough to debate?

Lets get serious here Pilgrim. Here is why I don't respect Tea Baggers and don't think they deserve respect as a legitimate political movement

1. Tea Baggers started protesting TWO WEEKS after Obama took office. They ignored Bush tax cuts that added $2.5 trillion in debt, an unfunded Prescription drug plan, an unfunded no child left behind bil, two wars that were not budgeted. This makes me question their true motiation

2. Tea Bagger tactics: The infiltration of Town Hall meetings in other districts solely to shout down intelligent debate on a critical national issue. People who were not even from the district shouted down, heckled and intimidated people who were there to debate the issue

3. Tea Bagger rhetoric: Balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility are legitimate concerns. Wrapping those concerns in rhetoric about Obama is Kenyan, Obama is a Socialist/Marxist/Fascist, Obama as the equivalent of Hitler and many that were much worse

4. Tea Bagger speakers: Again swayed from the basic message and embraced Tommy Tancredo, Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin as their keynote speakers. These speakers had an obvious agenda that had nothing to do with fiscal responsibility

These people are not "infiltrators"....they represent your movement and your decisions. So the answer is no. I do not consider the Tea Party to be a legitimate movement and do not think they have earned Americas respect.

1) The tea party movement "Officially" started 1 year ago today on tax day. Also I find your derogatory use of the word teabagger, in my opinon, is akin to the mindset used by racists who holler out their racial epitets to demean their target.

I am a tea party atendee and I've been protesting the defecit since CLINTON took office and I was happy with his handling of the debt. I also protested under Bush along with SOME but not ALL of the tea party people. Even still, the mindset you have that people can't become aware of a problem then protest it after is troubling to me. What is wrong with people, once they come to the realization that something is wrong/bad, changing their minds and speaking out against it?

I know a lot of people though it was A-OK for bush to cut taxes while increasing spending at the same time....then all of a sudden with the 2 wars and all bush's domestic spending stuff we end up with a spotlight on the debt which wakes people up....then the bailouts hit and peoples eyes are opened wide and they finally pay attention, then obama takes office and gets the heat for decades of government frivolity and irresponsibility. It sucks for obama but thats part of the job of president.

Just so you know I do understand the attitude you appear to hold. There ARE some people who, like me, understood just how bad what bush was doing with the budget and debt was. However, unlike me, these people never spoke out about it because "their guy" was in office but now that its "the other guy" they are. I get that, but i think you are attributing this quality to a lot of people who are not doing this...that is why i had a problem with the first post, thats what bothered me.

2) Heckling and shouting down is not acceptable to me either. However It is even more unnacceptable to deny people the right to show up at a public meeting and express ideas that I, or someone else, may not agree with.

3) You really need to go to a rally yourself and talk to some people. You have been grossly missinformed by the liberals in hollywood, pelosi, and the press outlets that have a liberal slant.

4) I've never heard any of those people at rallies I went to but let me say one thing. Just because someone embraces the values of the Tea Parties doesn't mean the tea party embraces all their values. If this were the case then I guess you can say Obama is just as bad as reverand wright or any of his supporters who said to kill bush...yup obama is an anti-white racist and pro violence according to this false logic you presented in this last one. (No I dont really believe that I think the comparison I just made is ridiculous, just as I think yours was about the speakers)

 

[theDoctorisIn]

No i didn't ask those things WryCatcher. I mainly was just there to listen to their point of view to try and see where we could possibly have an understanding with each other.

Its easy to talk to them when there are only two of them.

Why do you go so far out of your way to defend the tea parties in every way, but are quick to attack and ridicule the coffee parties?

I mean, I agree, the coffee parties are stupid. But so are the tea parties.

 

[rightwinger]

"Yawn" old pictures of either infilitrators or idiots. Do you actually have anything you can grasp enough to debate?

Lets get serious here Pilgrim. Here is why I don't respect Tea Baggers and don't think they deserve respect as a legitimate political movement

1. Tea Baggers started protesting TWO WEEKS after Obama took office. They ignored Bush tax cuts that added $2.5 trillion in debt, an unfunded Prescription drug plan, an unfunded no child left behind bil, two wars that were not budgeted. This makes me question their true motiation

2. Tea Bagger tactics: The infiltration of Town Hall meetings in other districts solely to shout down intelligent debate on a critical national issue. People who were not even from the district shouted down, heckled and intimidated people who were there to debate the issue

3. Tea Bagger rhetoric: Balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility are legitimate concerns. Wrapping those concerns in rhetoric about Obama is Kenyan, Obama is a Socialist/Marxist/Fascist, Obama as the equivalent of Hitler and many that were much worse

4. Tea Bagger speakers: Again swayed from the basic message and embraced Tommy Tancredo, Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin as their keynote speakers. These speakers had an obvious agenda that had nothing to do with fiscal responsibility

These people are not "infiltrators"....they represent your movement and your decisions. So the answer is no. I do not consider the Tea Party to be a legitimate movement and do not think they have earned Americas respect.

1) The tea party movement "Officially" started 1 year ago today on tax day. Also I find your derogatory use of the word teabagger, in my opinon, is akin to the mindset used by racists who holler out their racial epitets to demean their target.

I am a tea party atendee and I've been protesting the defecit since CLINTON took office and I was happy with his handling of the debt. I also protested under Bush along with SOME but not ALL of the tea party people. Even still, the mindset you have that people can't become aware of a problem then protest it after is troubling to me. What is wrong with people, once they come to the realization that something is wrong/bad, changing their minds and speaking out against it?

I know a lot of people though it was A-OK for bush to cut taxes while increasing spending at the same time....then all of a sudden with the 2 wars and all bush's domestic spending stuff we end up with a spotlight on the debt which wakes people up....then the bailouts hit and peoples eyes are opened wide and they finally pay attention, then obama takes office and gets the heat for decades of government frivolity and irresponsibility. It sucks for obama but thats part of the job of president.

Just so you know I do understand the attitude you appear to hold. There ARE some people who, like me, understood just how bad what bush was doing with the budget and debt was. However, unlike me, these people never spoke out about it because "their guy" was in office but now that its "the other guy" they are. I get that, but i think you are attributing this quality to a lot of people who are not doing this...that is why i had a problem with the first post, thats what bothered me.

2) Heckling and shouting down is not acceptable to me either. However It is even more unnacceptable to deny people the right to show up at a public meeting and express ideas that I, or someone else, may not agree with.

3) You really need to go to a rally yourself and talk to some people. You have been grossly missinformed by the liberals in hollywood, pelosi, and the press outlets that have a liberal slant.

4) I've never heard any of those people at rallies I went to but let me say one thing. Just because someone embraces the values of the Tea Parties doesn't mean the tea party embraces all their values. If this were the case then I guess you can say Obama is just as bad as reverand wright or any of his supporters who said to kill bush...yup obama is an anti-white racist and pro violence according to this false logic you presented in this last one. (No I dont really believe that I think the comparison I just made is ridiculous, just as I think yours was about the speakers)

1. The TP movement may have officially operated before Obama took office, but then someone added gas to the fire. While the TP may claim that "gas" was a naturally occuring outrage of the public in response to out of control government spending, it appears that "gas" was supplied by a certain news network and radio talk show host who picked up the TP cause once it was a Democrat borrowing money.

2. Nobody denys the rights of Americans to attend public meetings, even out of their district. However the thuggish tactics, rude behavior and desire to prevent the opposition from being heard did not reflect well on your movement. And No...don't try to tell me these people were leftwing plants

3. Numerous news outlets rolled cameras on the TP rallies including the "fair and balanced' one. The overall themes of both the signage and public speakers did tend to migrate from sensible government spending to Socialism, racism, destruction of the Constitution and abuse of power by the government. If you want to say the government overspends...say it. Your inflamitory rhetoric does not serve your cause well

4. Allowing Tancredo, Palin and Bachmann to serve prominant roles in your rallies and convention showed the movement has given itself over to partisan politicians with a political agenda that is not limited to government spending

 

[Ravi]

No i didn't ask those things WryCatcher. I mainly was just there to listen to their point of view to try and see where we could possibly have an understanding with each other.

Its easy to talk to them when there are only two of them.

Why do you go so far out of your way to defend the tea parties in every way, but are quick to attack and ridicule the coffee parties?

I mean, I agree, the coffee parties are stupid. But so are the tea parties.

To some, protest is only valid when they agree with what is being protested.

 

[Vast LWC]

1. The TP movement may have officially operated before Obama took office, but then someone added gas to the fire. While the TP may claim that "gas" was a naturally occuring outrage of the public in response to out of control government spending, it appears that "gas" was supplied by a certain news network and radio talk show host who picked up the TP cause once it was a Democrat borrowing money.

I'll agree here. The media you named are in fact responsible for the major portion of the groups popularity.

I'll say that there is a chance that the group may have grown by itself, by I find it doubtful.

2. Nobody denys the rights of Americans to attend public meetings, even out of their district. However the thuggish tactics, rude behavior and desire to prevent the opposition from being heard did not reflect well on your movement. And No...don't try to tell me these people were leftwing plants

True, true. Though, to be fair, there have been a few examples of thuggish-ness from folks opposed to the Tp'ers also.

3. Numerous news outlets rolled cameras on the TP rallies including the "fair and balanced' one. The overall themes of both the signage and public speakers did tend to migrate from sensible government spending to Socialism, racism, destruction of the Constitution and abuse of power by the government. If you want to say the government overspends...say it. Your inflamitory rhetoric does not serve your cause well

Once FoxNews got involved, it seemed that pieces of their narrative "Socialism", "Nazi-ism", did seem to become part of the Tea Party protester language.

4. Allowing Tancredo, Palin and Bachmann to serve prominant roles in your rallies and convention showed the movement has given itself over to partisan politicians with a political agenda that is not limited to government spending

Word. They should just go with Ron Paul really, at least he's consistent.

 

[Darkwind]

...that they actually agree with the values of the tea partiers. It was fun being at the harvard forum at annabell park and actually passing on the truth about the teaparties to people who only knew the lies.

I made statements about a fiscally responsible government, they agreed
I made statements about reducing the national debt they agreed.
I made statements about limiting the power of the government, they agreed.

I told them I was a tea party member and they got confused . They didn't realize what the tea parties stood for and didn't believe me when I said thats what we were about.

I guess the plants with their moronic signs were used very effectively by the media to misrepresent and disparage the tea party people and our message, kudos to the media and the big government crowd for successfully perpetrating those lies and misrepresentations of the tea party.

Instead of complaining about their bad image...why not simply clean it up?

I wasn't aware that the coffee party had an image that needed cleaning up?

The Tea Party doesn't to those who live in reality.

 

[rightwinger]

...that they actually agree with the values of the tea partiers. It was fun being at the harvard forum at annabell park and actually passing on the truth about the teaparties to people who only knew the lies.

I made statements about a fiscally responsible government, they agreed
I made statements about reducing the national debt they agreed.
I made statements about limiting the power of the government, they agreed.

I told them I was a tea party member and they got confused . They didn't realize what the tea parties stood for and didn't believe me when I said thats what we were about.

I guess the plants with their moronic signs were used very effectively by the media to misrepresent and disparage the tea party people and our message, kudos to the media and the big government crowd for successfully perpetrating those lies and misrepresentations of the tea party.

Instead of complaining about their bad image...why not simply clean it up?

I wasn't aware that the coffee party had an image that needed cleaning up?

The Tea Party doesn't to those who live in reality.

I'm glad to see you are happy with the image and credibility of the TP. Continue your current rhetoric and tactics and lets see how they do in the next general election

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Its easy to talk to them when there are only two of them.

Why do you go so far out of your way to defend the tea parties in every way, but are quick to attack and ridicule the coffee parties?

I mean, I agree, the coffee parties are stupid. But so are the tea parties.

To some, protest is only valid when they agree with what is being protested.

indeed ravi, indeed.

 

[daveman]

...that they actually agree with the values of the tea partiers. It was fun being at the harvard forum at annabell park and actually passing on the truth about the teaparties to people who only knew the lies.

I made statements about a fiscally responsible government, they agreed
I made statements about reducing the national debt they agreed.
I made statements about limiting the power of the government, they agreed.

I told them I was a tea party member and they got confused . They didn't realize what the tea parties stood for and didn't believe me when I said thats what we were about.

I guess the plants with their moronic signs were used very effectively by the media to misrepresent and disparage the tea party people and our message, kudos to the media and the big government crowd for successfully perpetrating those lies and misrepresentations of the tea party.

Instead of complaining about their bad image...why not simply clean it up?

Why not simply stop telling lies about the movement? Your side is responsible for the bad image.