So I infiltrated a "coffee Party" meeting and i found out....

[xotoxi]

Don't be so quick to judge!

Not everyone who uses the term "teabagger" is against the tea party movement.

The word is meant to insult and diminish.

Its answered in kind.

Not when it comes from me.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Who were the morons again?

Crash The Tea Party!

According to Ghandi these groups mean the Tea Partiers are about to win.

First they ignore you (prior to last april), then they laugh at you (last april until around february), then they fight you (as evidenced by these groups its now happening), then you win (here comes november 2010).

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win -Ghandi


I also like how the movement is still growing in the face of all the media bias and misrepresentations. It reminds me of more stuff Ghandi said:

"Truth alone will endure; all the rest will be swept away before the tide of time....What may appear as truth to one person will often appear as untruth to another person. But that need not worry the seeker....Truth and untruth often co-exist; good and evil often are found together....Use truth as your anvil, nonviolence as your hammer and anything that does not stand the test when it is brought to the anvil of truth and hammered with nonviolence, reject it....Truth and nonviolence demand that no human being may debar himself from serving any other human being, no matter how sinful he may be....Truth is the first to be sought for, and Beauty and Goodness will then be added unto you....An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it....Truth without humility would be an arrogant caricature....The quest of truth involves self-suffering, sometimes even unto death"

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Don't be so quick to judge!

Not everyone who uses the term "teabagger" is against the tea party movement.

The word is meant to insult and diminish.

Its answered in kind.

Not when it comes from me.

xotoxi could call me the worst stuff in the world and i'd probably just laugh....its xotoxi and xotoxi is fun and funny like that .

 

[Vast LWC]

According to Ghandi these groups mean the Tea Partiers are about to win.

First they ignore you (prior to last april), then they laugh at you (last april until around february), then they fight you (as evidenced by these groups its now happening), then you win (here comes november 2010).

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win -Ghandi


I also like how the movement is still growing in the face of all the media bias and misrepresentations. It reminds me of more stuff Ghandi said:

"Truth alone will endure; all the rest will be swept away before the tide of time....What may appear as truth to one person will often appear as untruth to another person. But that need not worry the seeker....Truth and untruth often co-exist; good and evil often are found together....Use truth as your anvil, nonviolence as your hammer and anything that does not stand the test when it is brought to the anvil of truth and hammered with nonviolence, reject it....Truth and nonviolence demand that no human being may debar himself from serving any other human being, no matter how sinful he may be....Truth is the first to be sought for, and Beauty and Goodness will then be added unto you....An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it....Truth without humility would be an arrogant caricature....The quest of truth involves self-suffering, sometimes even unto death"

Hmm, so, who are "Tea Party" candidates?

After all, the "Tea Party" isn't a branch of the Republican party...

...or is it?

 

[Vast LWC]

As for the "Coffee Party", seems like a non-starter.

I haven't heard anything about it except from right-wingers.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

...that they actually agree with the values of the tea partiers. It was fun being at the harvard forum at annabell park and actually passing on the truth about the teaparties to people who only knew the lies.

I made statements about a fiscally responsible government, they agreed
I made statements about reducing the national debt they agreed.
I made statements about limiting the power of the government, they agreed.

I told them I was a tea party member and they got confused . They didn't realize what the tea parties stood for and didn't believe me when I said thats what we were about.

I guess the plants with their moronic signs were used very effectively by the media to misrepresent and disparage the tea party people and our message, kudos to the media and the big government crowd for successfully perpetrating those lies and misrepresentations of the tea party.

Well done...

Your instinct was obviously correct; and it's a simple fact that the Tea-Party encapsulates America; and it's not going anywhere but up.

When the average A-political individual, who likes to think of themselves as a "Liberal" is set aside and given a chance to tell who they are... what you'll find is that they're conservatives; they're Americans. Few of them are interested in government entitlements... few are accepting of the sexual debauchery advanced by the Left.

Fewer still are willing to set aside their own responsibilities; when they're informed that in doing so, they forfeit the rights which those responsibilities sustain.

And when they come to learn that what they've been taught in Leftist indoctrination is false... they naturally feel betrayed... and used.

All of which proves that Leftism... Progressivism... is all just a sham... a facade which can never be sustained.

Now the question is, will enough people come to understand that they've been betrayed, before the idiots aquire enough power that it doesn't matter what 'the people' think?

We'll know in November...

Keep up the EXCELLENT WORK!

 

[rightwinger]

I made statements about a fiscally responsible government, they agreed
I made statements about reducing the national debt they agreed.
I made statements about limiting the power of the government, they agreed

I told them Obama was born in Kenya and they told me I was a Moran
I told them Obama was a Socialist and they told me I had no idea what a socialist is
I told them we should eliminate all taxes and they told me I was naive
I told them I was really a Tea Party member and they asked me why I never protested while Bush was running up the deficit

 

[Care4all]

...that they actually agree with the values of the tea partiers. It was fun being at the harvard forum at annabell park and actually passing on the truth about the teaparties to people who only knew the lies.

I made statements about a fiscally responsible government, they agreed
I made statements about reducing the national debt they agreed.
I made statements about limiting the power of the government, they agreed.

I told them I was a tea party member and they got confused . They didn't realize what the tea parties stood for and didn't believe me when I said thats what we were about.

I guess the plants with their moronic signs were used very effectively by the media to misrepresent and disparage the tea party people and our message, kudos to the media and the big government crowd for successfully perpetrating those lies and misrepresentations of the tea party.

So you actually did infiltrate the coffee party group while the republicans are falsely accusing the democrats of infiltrating the Tea party group?

 

[editec]

What you discovered is that most Americans, agree about what OUTCOME they want for the nation they love.

It's generally HOW TO ACHIEVE those outcomes where Americans disagree.

Incidently, I do NOT credit the RNC or DNC as being in the same camp with most of their partisan supporters in either the TEA PARTY or COFFEE CLUTCH organizations

This is why I am constantly mystified by partisans who support these shamocractic organziations.

 

[Liability]

what the hell are you going on about?

There wasn't anything unclear about the OP.

 

[Vast LWC]

...that they actually agree with the values of the tea partiers. It was fun being at the harvard forum at annabell park and actually passing on the truth about the teaparties to people who only knew the lies.

I made statements about a fiscally responsible government, they agreed

Of course I "forgot" to mention what programs should be cut.

I made statements about reducing the national debt they agreed.

But forgot to mention that it would require a tax increase.

I made statements about limiting the power of the government, they agreed.

But I forgot to mention that "limiting the power of government" applied only to corporations, religion and guns. Laws limiting sexuality, or wiretapping, would of course be excluded.

Oh, also, funding for Republican programs would be of course excluded from the whole "fiscally responsible, cutting the national debt" thing. I didn't mention that either.

I told them I was a tea party member and they got confused . They didn't realize what the tea parties stood for and didn't believe me when I said thats what we were about.

And they still have no idea what the Tea Party stands for, since the Tea Party is comprised of about 30 different major factions, who each believe in their own version of the "Tea Party", which is of course why they have no viable candidates.

I guess the plants with their moronic signs were used very effectively by the media to misrepresent and disparage the tea party people and our message, kudos to the media and the big government crowd for successfully perpetrating those lies and misrepresentations of the tea party.

"Plants" with "Moronic signs"? Like the "Niggar" sign the founder of the "Tea Party" carried at one of the protests? Yeah, I guess the founder of the party was just a "Plant" though, right?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Hmm, so, who are "Tea Party" candidates?

After all, the "Tea Party" isn't a branch of the Republican party...

...or is it?

The tea party doesn't have any specific canidates we just have criteria for canidates. We will support any Republican, Libertarian, Independant, Democrat, ect ect who fit the criteria.

What is that criteria? Here:


-Being Fiscally responsible (AKA no defecit spending, balancing budgets, cutting spending in order to keep taxes flat or lower them)
-Keeping the size and scope of the federal government as small as possible
-Respecting the constitutional limits placed on the federal government


Pretty simple isn't it? I think this has been explained to you, by me, several times now but you still don't seem to grasp what the tea parties are all about. Its ok though I'm patient and happy to keep reminding you and correcting your misconceptions.

 

[rightwinger]

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win -Ghandi

Problem for the Tea Parties is that nobody has gotten past the "then they will laugh at you" part

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I told them Obama was born in Kenya and they told me I was a Moran
I told them Obama was a Socialist and they told me I had no idea what a socialist is
I told them we should eliminate all taxes and they told me I was naive
I told them I was really a Tea Party member and they asked me why I never protested while Bush was running up the deficit

I dont believe this so why would I say this. Sure the tea party attracts some of these type of people but we also attract liberals (thread incoming soon for you on this). Just becasue the birthers support the tea party movement doesn't mean the movement is accepting of birthers. Just as marxists supporting Obama doesn't make obama a Marxist (unless I follow your logic here)

Actually I didn't bother trying to explain, or even bring up, how obama's own writings in his books and his publicly stated ideals and government ideas are socialist in nature. I wasn't there to drive a wedge between myself and them I was there to try and see what their concerns were and to let them actually meet a real tea party person and not some drummed up media image of what one is
Again another misconception about the tea parties. We dont want taxes eliminated we want the tax system reformed so it is fair. No more progressive tax, lets get back to the constitution and make the taxes flat. No more exemptions or tax breaks lets find a rate we need to fund the government and stick with it. Everyone regardless of income or circumstance must pay the same percentage of their income in taxes with no deductions.
Again I've been protesting the growing government ever since Bush and the congress passed the patriot act. I've been outspoken against the national debt since I was a sophmore in college almost 20 years ago so take this strawman argument to someone else.
On a second note let me humor your assumption and lets say that I didn't start caring, speaking out, or protesting until 6 months ago. Whats wrong with that? So what if I didn't protest under Bush. I may have been asleep to the issue a year ago but at least I'm awake now, saw the error of my inaction, and am doing something about it.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

...that they actually agree with the values of the tea partiers. It was fun being at the harvard forum at annabell park and actually passing on the truth about the teaparties to people who only knew the lies.

I made statements about a fiscally responsible government, they agreed
I made statements about reducing the national debt they agreed.
I made statements about limiting the power of the government, they agreed.

I told them I was a tea party member and they got confused . They didn't realize what the tea parties stood for and didn't believe me when I said thats what we were about.

I guess the plants with their moronic signs were used very effectively by the media to misrepresent and disparage the tea party people and our message, kudos to the media and the big government crowd for successfully perpetrating those lies and misrepresentations of the tea party.

So you actually did infiltrate the coffee party group while the republicans are falsely accusing the democrats of infiltrating the Tea party group?

I wasn't deceptive about it, I told them who I was.

I've actually met 2 infiltrators in boston last time I was at a tea party event in boston. They had some ridiculous "Obama wants to kill babies" sign and I confronted them about it and they admitted they were just there to mess with the tea partiers. It was the same rally in boston that an older couple got real mad at me for telling them their pro-life sign was innapropriate for the rally as that wasn't what we are gathering for.

 

[Liability]

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win -Ghandi

Problem for the Tea Parties is that nobody has gotten past the "then they will laugh at you" part

the problem with your dishonest comment is that it is:

Untrue. That is of course the nature of dishonesty. But since you are generally dishonest, this should come as no news to you, Leftwinger.

The acts of infiltration and the disinformation campaigns are all part of the fight against them.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win -Ghandi

Problem for the Tea Parties is that nobody has gotten past the "then they will laugh at you" part

Actually you are mistaken

Crash The Tea Party! a small article about them Tea Partiers Beware; Anti-Tea Party Group Seeks to Crash Movement - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

Coffee Party | Wake Up and Stand Up

Those are 2 popular organizations and their websites which have recently sprung up for the express purpose of fighting the tea parties. We have moved to Ghandi's 3rd stage, victory is nearing.

Ok I have to make a thread about something like I promised in an earlier post.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

...that they actually agree with the values of the tea partiers. It was fun being at the harvard forum at annabell park and actually passing on the truth about the teaparties to people who only knew the lies.

I made statements about a fiscally responsible government, they agreed

Of course I "forgot" to mention what programs should be cut.

I doubt he forgot it... given that it's a discussion of principle.

Once we agree in principle; once the principles are outlined, specificed and re-established; the programs which are to be cut become self-evident. The issue then simply becomes which ones will demand that the principles be damned... and those will of course be THE LEFTISTS.

I made statements about reducing the national debt they agreed.

But forgot to mention that it would require a tax increase.

Growing economies don't raise taxes... they cut taxes, and the slashed expenditures, coupled with the growing economy pays down the debt.

But I forgot to mention that "limiting the power of government" applied only to corporations, religion and guns. Laws limiting sexuality, or wiretapping, would of course be excluded.

ROFL... Notice how she's already turned on the principles? Never takes long.

Oh, also, funding for Republican programs would be of course excluded from the whole "fiscally responsible, cutting the national debt" thing. I didn't mention that either.

There are no "Republican Programs" that need funding... ZERO, None, Nada... There are only Constitutionally required government necessaties... After that, if it's not being provided by private interests, it isn't provided.

I told them I was a tea party member and they got confused . They didn't realize what the tea parties stood for and didn't believe me when I said thats what we were about.

And they still have no idea what the Tea Party stands for, since the Tea Party is comprised of about 30 different major factions, who each believe in their own version of the "Tea Party", which is of course why they have no viable candidates.

There's only one relevant faction and that is the American Faction... Everything else is merely a rationalization of the Ideological Left and can readily be dismissed as an irrelevant means to an entitlement end.

Our universal position on those factions begins and ends with: FUCK YOU!

I guess the plants with their moronic signs were used very effectively by the media to misrepresent and disparage the tea party people and our message, kudos to the media and the big government crowd for successfully perpetrating those lies and misrepresentations of the tea party.

"Plants" with "Moronic signs"? Like the "Niggar" sign the founder of the "Tea Party" carried at one of the protests? Yeah, I guess the founder of the party was just a "Plant" though, right?

The Founder of the Tea-Party has not held a "Niggar sign". This is a myth created by the Moderate, Centrist, Mainstream Progressives and their photo-shop equipped minions...

But again kids... What you're looking at here is the desperation of the last gasps of the Progressive movement. Deciet and Fraud...

It's all they've ever had; so it serves reason that it's all they've got left.

 

[Ravi]

Pubic supports the tea partiers.

'Nuff said.

 

[Si modo]

Pubic supports the tea partiers.

'Nuff said.

Ravi doesn't. 'Nuff said. (Not my idea of logic, but I wanted to see how it feels.)