So how will you handle a North Korean nuke strike on the US?

[Spare_change]

Their crappy missile would most likely fall apart during flight or completely miss whatever they're aiming for. But given the possibility that they actually did connect what they were aiming at, suppose they hit a large metropolitan area? In addition to the the immediate damage and casualties, what would that do to government services, banking institutions, and communications infrastructure throughout the rest of the country? What about the breakdown of order something like that might cause? Looting, rioting, burning, etc.

Hope everyone has stocked up on ammo, water, potassium iodide tablets, and Hostess Twinkies.

they could only reach CA and not much further.

So let the leftist tell us how much they would apologize to them and call us racists for going to war for their useless asses.

I guess you're not familiar with flight dynamics, huh?

Actually, it would be more difficult to hit LA than to hit St. Louis, and would require virtually no more capability. Without going into long and complex explanations, it has to do with the curvature of the earth, atmospheric buoyancy, and the relative launch trajectory required to attain the altitude necessary to strike each target.

The OP, however, raised a valid point that is being ignored in the rush to wail about the politics. The immediate damage (zero point) would be catastrophic to the local area, but in reality, the far greater cost would be to the economic and physical infrastructure. An EMP pulse from a single event has the potential to wipe out half our electrical grid, paralyzing communications, food storage, health facilities, etc.

Of course, then we'd have to worry about the damage done by the riots of the Never Trumpers, Black Lives Matters, and other liberal/progressive groups, wishing to get their share of the federal pie and blaming someone - anyone - rather than contributing to rebuilding or responding to the event.

 

[Spare_change]

It would be pretty unreal if North Korea fired a nuke and it wasn't shot down by the U.S. from South Korea, Japan, warships, missile defense from Alaska, and finally missile defense from California. That's a whole lot of chances to shoot it down.

Since virtually none of those are deployed, are you willing to withstand the cost for further development and production of those military assets? What do you propose to cut to pay for them?

 

[EverCurious]

For the record Gracie While I do rather despise the political viewpoints of "regressive's" and indeed would fully support the succession of California if they should wish to leave, there is no way in hell "I" (speaking for the US military) would ever allow another nation to attack my fellow countrymen, nor the sovereign soil of the US of A. NOTHING will touch California if we can prevent it. We are a nation regardless of this moments angst; the political hacks spewing hatred have /zero/ say as to our military directives to protect /all/ American citizens.

God forbid those bastards do manage to land something, we will end their entire nation in retaliation, and every other nation who even thought about supporting NK's violent actions. Perhaps not as comforting, but you would be avenged 10 fold I can guarantee. The last country that touched our soil with hostility took two nukes, and they weren't even the Nazi's - JS.

 

[Spare_change]

The same way I did when I was driving from Atlanta to Miami and stopped at YeeHaw Junction 9 am 911 2001( real prize there) for gas and beer and saw the false flag on the TV. I'll just shake my head, carry on and watch you retarded fuckwads wave your Chinese made flags and your idiot kids go sign up for the socialist military scam.
Might find a good body bag company to invest in too ???

There's one in every crowd ...

 

[EverCurious]

It would be pretty unreal if North Korea fired a nuke and it wasn't shot down by the U.S. from South Korea, Japan, warships, missile defense from Alaska, and finally missile defense from California. That's a whole lot of chances to shoot it down.

Since virtually none of those are deployed, are you willing to withstand the cost for further development and production of those military assets? What do you propose to cut to pay for them?

Like hell son. Alaska is /always/ deployed. We will defend this nation, and our sister Canada, from any and all hostile launches. My father was the commander of space missile defense up here; we are more than ready...

 

[Spare_change]

It would be pretty unreal if North Korea fired a nuke and it wasn't shot down by the U.S. from South Korea, Japan, warships, missile defense from Alaska, and finally missile defense from California. That's a whole lot of chances to shoot it down.

Since virtually none of those are deployed, are you willing to withstand the cost for further development and production of those military assets? What do you propose to cut to pay for them?

Like hell son. Alaska is /always/ deployed. We will defend this nation, and our sister Canada, from any and all hostile launches. My father was the commander of space missile defense up here; we are more than ready...

Sorry --- what you think you know just isn't true.

I'd be interested in your father's name since I probably a) worked for him, and, then, b) returned, as an engineer, to modernize our defense systems in Alaska - and, yes, I was there when the missiles were placed in the silos at Fairbanks. The THAAD system, deployed in South Korea, is the first practicable missile defense system. While we have others by that name, their targeting and recognition systems have not been very effective. THAAD is present in Alaska since mid-July, but that is for testing only. It is not configured for operational use.

Further, Japan is currently testing its PAC-3 missile defense system. It, too, is not operational since it failed its first operational test in June of this year. THAAD is not deployed in Japan, to my knowledge.

Use logic ... if those systems were effective, why would we be so excited about the first successful tests of them last month?

 

[Gracie]

For the record Gracie While I do rather despise the political viewpoints of "regressive's" and indeed would fully support the succession of California if they should wish to leave, there is no way in hell "I" (speaking for the US military) would ever allow another nation to attack my fellow countrymen, nor the sovereign soil of the US of A. NOTHING will touch California if we can prevent it. We are a nation regardless of this moments angst; the political hacks spewing hatred have /zero/ say as to our military directives to protect /all/ American citizens.

God forbid those bastards do manage to land something, we will end their entire nation in retaliation, and every other nation who even thought about supporting NK's violent actions. Perhaps not as comforting, but you would be avenged 10 fold I can guarantee. The last country that touched our soil with hostility took two nukes, and they weren't even the Nazi's - JS.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Trump supporters will likely cheer. They support escalation because, as unlikely as it seems, if North Korea lands a nuke in the U.S. it will be in a city. Trump supporters know they'll be safe in their sparsely populated area, and they look forward to applauding the deaths of their countrymen in the cities.

damn right.

you America hating fucks should be executed for treason.

^ Two Thumbs is now on record supporting nuclear warfare against the U.S.

I'm going to report that to the FBI. Can't be too careful.

Snitches get stitches and wind up in ditches.



seriously, the ghey in your post is totally on point.

 

[EverCurious]

It would be pretty unreal if North Korea fired a nuke and it wasn't shot down by the U.S. from South Korea, Japan, warships, missile defense from Alaska, and finally missile defense from California. That's a whole lot of chances to shoot it down.

Since virtually none of those are deployed, are you willing to withstand the cost for further development and production of those military assets? What do you propose to cut to pay for them?

Like hell son. Alaska is /always/ deployed. We will defend this nation, and our sister Canada, from any and all hostile launches. My father was the commander of space missile defense up here; we are more than ready...

Sorry --- what you think you know just isn't true.

I'd be interested in your father's name since I probably a) worked for him, and, then, b) returned, as an engineer, to modernize our defense systems in Alaska - and, yes, I was there when the missiles were placed in the silos at Fairbanks. The THAAD system, deployed in South Korea, is the first practicable missile defense system. While we have others by that name, their targeting and recognition systems have not been very effective. THAAD is present in Alaska since mid-July, but that is for testing only. It is not configured for operational use.

Further, Japan is currently testing its PAC-3 missile defense system. It, too, is not operational since it failed its first operational test in June of this year. THAAD is not deployed in Japan, to my knowledge.

Use logic ... if those systems were effective, why would we be so excited about the first successful tests of them last month?

hmm I'm not keen to give out personal information as I'm sure you can understand, but if you say you lived up here then you saw him on KTUU crying when we lost some of his boys in Afghanistan - he was so tore up. He was also the commander of Fort Rich, assistant to the Mayor, and the commander of the Military Youth Academy. If you speak the truth then I'm sure you can figure it out - and if you share it on here you best hide well because I'll hunt your ass down and sue you into the 22nd century.

That said, it's entirely possible, if you tell the truth, that you've eaten dinner with me, been in my house, and laid your coat on what was at the time my bed. I suggest you stop lying about your fellow soldiers and scaring our citizens for no reason other than to appear "right."

May 2017 - tenth successful test of THAAD

 

[Two Thumbs]

Regardless of politics and partisanship..we are ALL americans and if you hurt one of us..you hurt ALL of us. At least, that is how its supposed to be.

That's how it used to be, but the left hates America and any American that supports the Constitution.

It wasn't leftists lining up on 9/12

 

[Two Thumbs]

Their crappy missile would most likely fall apart during flight or completely miss whatever they're aiming for. But given the possibility that they actually did connect what they were aiming at, suppose they hit a large metropolitan area? In addition to the the immediate damage and casualties, what would that do to government services, banking institutions, and communications infrastructure throughout the rest of the country? What about the breakdown of order something like that might cause? Looting, rioting, burning, etc.

Hope everyone has stocked up on ammo, water, potassium iodide tablets, and Hostess Twinkies.

they could only reach CA and not much further.

So let the leftist tell us how much they would apologize to them and call us racists for going to war for their useless asses.

I guess you're not familiar with flight dynamics, huh?

Actually, it would be more difficult to hit LA than to hit St. Louis, and would require virtually no more capability. Without going into long and complex explanations, it has to do with the curvature of the earth, atmospheric buoyancy, and the relative launch trajectory required to attain the altitude necessary to strike each target.

The OP, however, raised a valid point that is being ignored in the rush to wail about the politics. The immediate damage (zero point) would be catastrophic to the local area, but in reality, the far greater cost would be to the economic and physical infrastructure. An EMP pulse from a single event has the potential to wipe out half our electrical grid, paralyzing communications, food storage, health facilities, etc.

Of course, then we'd have to worry about the damage done by the riots of the Never Trumpers, Black Lives Matters, and other liberal/progressive groups, wishing to get their share of the federal pie and blaming someone - anyone - rather than contributing to rebuilding or responding to the event.

No, I am not an engineer and neither are the NK nuts.

Hitting St. Lou would be much harder for them due to the distance. It may not seem like a lot, but they are so far behind, tech wise, that it's unlikely they could hit what they wanted, so would go for a closer target.

 

[Nia88]

Its all fun and games until the fight is brought onto Ameircan soil. NK has the ability to attack America. Starting a war with them would definitely increases this chances of it happening.

NK isn't some poor middle eastern country that we're so use bombing. Their army is quite equip.

None of this would be happening if we weren't policing other countries on what they can do with their military. Who are we to tell anyone they have nuclear weapons when not only we have our own, but we are the only country to actual drop one on another country which had devastating effects.

We went to NK before and it was a failure. Why go at again?

Going to war with NK would possibly cause WWIII.

 

[EverCurious]

Regardless of politics and partisanship..we are ALL americans and if you hurt one of us..you hurt ALL of us. At least, that is how its supposed to be.

That's how it used to be, but the left hates America and any American that supports the Constitution.

It wasn't leftists lining up on 9/12

Meh, you speak of the civilians opinions, and at best the lying politicians, not the military's duty, honor, and responsibility. I guarantee you that, regardless of what you think of President Trump or where this country is headed,]he will defer to his generals opinion/judgement - and /they/ will defend our nation from any and all foreign threats.

 

[Spare_change]

Their crappy missile would most likely fall apart during flight or completely miss whatever they're aiming for. But given the possibility that they actually did connect what they were aiming at, suppose they hit a large metropolitan area? In addition to the the immediate damage and casualties, what would that do to government services, banking institutions, and communications infrastructure throughout the rest of the country? What about the breakdown of order something like that might cause? Looting, rioting, burning, etc.

Hope everyone has stocked up on ammo, water, potassium iodide tablets, and Hostess Twinkies.

they could only reach CA and not much further.

So let the leftist tell us how much they would apologize to them and call us racists for going to war for their useless asses.

I guess you're not familiar with flight dynamics, huh?

Actually, it would be more difficult to hit LA than to hit St. Louis, and would require virtually no more capability. Without going into long and complex explanations, it has to do with the curvature of the earth, atmospheric buoyancy, and the relative launch trajectory required to attain the altitude necessary to strike each target.

The OP, however, raised a valid point that is being ignored in the rush to wail about the politics. The immediate damage (zero point) would be catastrophic to the local area, but in reality, the far greater cost would be to the economic and physical infrastructure. An EMP pulse from a single event has the potential to wipe out half our electrical grid, paralyzing communications, food storage, health facilities, etc.

Of course, then we'd have to worry about the damage done by the riots of the Never Trumpers, Black Lives Matters, and other liberal/progressive groups, wishing to get their share of the federal pie and blaming someone - anyone - rather than contributing to rebuilding or responding to the event.

No, I am not an engineer and neither are the NK nuts.

Hitting St. Lou would be much harder for them due to the distance. It may not seem like a lot, but they are so far behind, tech wise, that it's unlikely they could hit what they wanted, so would go for a closer target.

As you wish --- I will defend to the death your right to be wrong.

 

[Spare_change]

It would be pretty unreal if North Korea fired a nuke and it wasn't shot down by the U.S. from South Korea, Japan, warships, missile defense from Alaska, and finally missile defense from California. That's a whole lot of chances to shoot it down.

Since virtually none of those are deployed, are you willing to withstand the cost for further development and production of those military assets? What do you propose to cut to pay for them?

Like hell son. Alaska is /always/ deployed. We will defend this nation, and our sister Canada, from any and all hostile launches. My father was the commander of space missile defense up here; we are more than ready...

Sorry --- what you think you know just isn't true.

I'd be interested in your father's name since I probably a) worked for him, and, then, b) returned, as an engineer, to modernize our defense systems in Alaska - and, yes, I was there when the missiles were placed in the silos at Fairbanks. The THAAD system, deployed in South Korea, is the first practicable missile defense system. While we have others by that name, their targeting and recognition systems have not been very effective. THAAD is present in Alaska since mid-July, but that is for testing only. It is not configured for operational use.

Further, Japan is currently testing its PAC-3 missile defense system. It, too, is not operational since it failed its first operational test in June of this year. THAAD is not deployed in Japan, to my knowledge.

Use logic ... if those systems were effective, why would we be so excited about the first successful tests of them last month?

hmm I'm not keen to give out personal information as I'm sure you can understand, but if you say you lived up here then you saw him on KTUU crying when we lost some of his boys in Afghanistan - he was so tore up. He was also the commander of Fort Rich, assistant to the Mayor, and the commander of the Military Youth Academy. If you speak the truth then I'm sure you can figure it out - and if you share it on here you best hide well because I'll hunt your ass down and sue you into the 22nd century.

That said, it's entirely possible, if you tell the truth, that you've eaten dinner with me, been in my house, and laid your coat on what was at the time my bed. I suggest you stop lying about your fellow soldiers and scaring our citizens for no reason other than to appear "right."

May 2017 - tenth successful test of THAAD

No - your father and I never crossed paths. Remember, the missile install was in 2004. However, assuming the commander's home is still the same one, I probably drank brandy in that house.

As for the rest ... believe as you will. I spent my 20 years serving in the military, and 25 years as an engineer/CEO for systems development, so you can be assured I have the utmost respect for my fellow soldiers. Pointing out the limitations of a system, as well as the failure of most to understand the technical intricacies of missile system development hardly qualifies as disrespect.

 

[Gracie]

Well...if something hits us on the west coast or anywhere for that matter, I wouldn't care who is left or who is right...I would defend them to the best of my means. I would hope all americans feels the same way and doesn't pause to ask "are you a lefty or righty"?

 

[EverCurious]

No - your father and I never crossed paths. Remember, the missile install was in 2004. However, assuming the commander's home is still the same one, I probably drank brandy in that house.

As for the rest ... believe as you will. I spent my 20 years serving in the military, and 25 years as an engineer/CEO for systems development, so you can be assured I have the utmost respect for my fellow soldiers. Pointing out the limitations of a system, as well as the failure of most to understand the technical intricacies of missile system development hardly qualifies as disrespect.

... you really think it hasn't been improved since 2004? HA!

My father served 36 years in Alaska so you may have crossed paths with him, he recently "retired" and moved out of state (though he "officially" had to [ret] from military to both advise Murkowski [Sr] and run the youth academy. Now he's a volunteer police officer.) We lived in Eagle River, in a home that was custom built for them in uhm '84 I suppose, long before he was even a 2 star.

Anyway, he's after your time apparently. He oversaw upgrades to missile defense up here, and was "in on those" before he even took command of Space Missile Defense, or Fort Rich for that matter:

Part of one of my father's speeches/discussions/updates with the press on the subject (this one was in 2006):

He said Alaska's Army Guard forces would be working with components from other states that will comprise additional aspects of the brigade combat team, including a Guam infantry battalion and an Indiana reconnaissance, surveillance, target and acquisition unit, which is currently deployed to Iraq. "It's not uncommon to have split states in the National Guard in larger units that already exist in other states," he said. "We have it already with one of our units that's split between California and Alaska." He said the transformation is necessary for state Army Guard forces to be ready, relevant and successful. "We were equipped for the Cold War and actually became a legacy force as the rest of the world moved forward in technology," he said. He said the approximate size of the Alaska Army National Guard's forces will remain the same, but will integrate new technology, equipment and units, to include a military police force, which has previously not been utilized in the state.

He said the addition of land to mobile communication systems and satellite-based tracking equipment will create forces more in tune with the rest of the nation's Army forces. "The threat requires that capability today on the battlefield to keep the superior fighting edge and the ability to win America's wars," he said. "Amazingly in our structure, we are very limited in communications available on the modern battlefield today - digitized radios, digitized locator systems." He said it's necessary to incorporate modern fighting equipment to be prepared against enemy forces that are continually working to gain the technological edge. "Multiple countries turn out technology every day that's available on the market," he said. "If you're going to decisively win, you need to have the tactical advantage and that comes through not only the training and the soldiers, but absolutely the equipment and the hardware you give them."

"The Army is so sophisticated and the weapons we use are so sophisticated, you have to be able to read the instructions, comprehend it and you have to have the ability, even in the infantry, to act independently," he said. "There's a lot of mental dexterity involved in being in the armed forces today." He said the state's Army Guard units have slowly begun restructuring to allow them to take the form if not the name of the 207th Infantry Brigade Combat Team one year prior to its September 2008 standup date. Taking on the configuration of the brigade combat team in advance will allow soldiers to become familiar with new equipment and force structure and gain the necessary training prior to coming fully online, he said. All of which he said takes the Alaska Army National Guard up to the next level of service and ability.

"We say kind of in-house, 'Stay the same and become a historical reenactment unit,'" he said. "We would have looked great in our beaver hats and our mukluks, but the rest of the services would have passed us by in terms of their relevance, their resources and the accessibility to be a part of the total Army or the total Guard." (~chortles~ Even worse, I haz pictures of him in a wet suit and Minnie Mouse ears. On stand-by for later blackmail )

...so they upgraded stuff (I guess?) shortly after you left [the state]? I believe it was started in 06 and completed in 09. All I know is that my Father told me straight up not to worry about [Russia at the time] nuking us because he was damn sure they wouldn't be able to hit us. I basically have no emotions (synesthesia), so it wasn't like he was "comforting me" or "trying to calm me down," he was just telling me how it was.

I really have no reason to question him, my father was never one to "lie" about shit, regardless of what trauma it caused; when I spoke to him during my mother's heart attack "episode" (I suppose this was 10-15 years ago now) his first words were: "She's tits up again." (She "died" four times in the hospital.) I mean I'm a "heartless bitch" with limited sympathy/empathy, but even I know /that's/ fucked up lol

 

[Vastator]

Their crappy missile would most likely fall apart during flight or completely miss whatever they're aiming for. But given the possibility that they actually did connect what they were aiming at, suppose they hit a large metropolitan area? In addition to the the immediate damage and casualties, what would that do to government services, banking institutions, and communications infrastructure throughout the rest of the country? What about the breakdown of order something like that might cause? Looting, rioting, burning, etc.

Hope everyone has stocked up on ammo, water, potassium iodide tablets, and Hostess Twinkies.

There is no need to hit a particular city. For those who don't know... The real prize is a high altitude detonation which will bring down our grid, and send us back to the 1890's for the next 20 years. That opens us up to an actual invasion by more capable enemies than the North Koreans. The left's tunnel vision, and ignorance is both astounding, and frightening. Thank God they aren't in power during trying times such as these...

 

[Vastator]

Well...if something hits us on the west coast or anywhere for that matter, I wouldn't care who is left or who is right...I would defend them to the best of my means. I would hope all americans feels the same way and doesn't pause to ask "are you a lefty or righty"?

Don't count on it...

 

[Lewdog]

It would be pretty unreal if North Korea fired a nuke and it wasn't shot down by the U.S. from South Korea, Japan, warships, missile defense from Alaska, and finally missile defense from California. That's a whole lot of chances to shoot it down.

Since virtually none of those are deployed, are you willing to withstand the cost for further development and production of those military assets? What do you propose to cut to pay for them?

Well the THADD missile defense system IS in South Korea. Japan does have missile defense systems. The US DOES have Aegis missile defense vessels. Alaska DOES have missile defense systems. California DOES have missile defense systems.

And you just states that virtually none of those are deployed...