So, how many leftists will admit socialism failed Venezuela?

[AntonToo]

Actually corruption ruined Ven.

When will Cons admit that Venezuela “socialism “ has nothing to do with the democratic socialist ideas we have in America.

Trump should deport you and Bernie to Venezuela

So much for not liking dictatorships.....

 

[rightwinger]

Do you think the che guevera worshipers are able to admit that?

Corruption killed Venezuela. Not socialism

Very true
The same corrupt political structure would have existed under Capitalism

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Actually corruption ruined Ven.

When will Cons admit that Venezuela “socialism “ has nothing to do with the democratic socialist ideas we have in America.

This is what denial looks like.

As I recall, these people were praising socialism all the way... until it failed again. Same is in store for US.

Timmy's not too bright

 

[SAYIT]

So is that a "yes", you think the Dems want to emulate Venezuela?
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Ah, more post editing and taking things out of context.

Huh?

Just asking for clarity. It was a question, not a statement.

So what's the answer?
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Your question was a loaded question. It's leads. It doesn't deserve an answer.

This thread draws a very clear connection between the Democrats, Venezuela, and socialism.

My question is precisely on point. It couldn't possibly be more on point.

You just don't want to answer it.

That's okay. I don't expect straight answers here.
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What in the hell are you talking about? There is no government ownership of production in Venezuela...

Incorrect.
"The country officially nationalized its oil industry on 1 January 1976 at the site of Zumaque oilwell 1 (Mene Grande), and along with it came the birth of Petróleos de Venezuela S.A. (PDVSA) which is the Venezuelan state-owned petroleum company." - History of the Venezuelan oil industry - Wikipedia

 

[noonereal]

Our own intelligence agencies do not trust Trump with intel!

Think about that for a minute. Our own president is deemed a security risk.

 

[danielpalos]

I ask about Venezuela and these fuckers predictably bring up the wonderful successes of the Nordic countries. The only countries with a higher density of whites than here. What ******* racists.

That is number one. Not to mention the myth that those countries are actually the type of socialism they espouse.



You ******* ignorant leftist cocksuckers. Try changing the subject just a little more you ******* idiots.

Also, how many countries under a free market enterprise have been taken over by a tyrant? When?

This is where they will now attempt to convince us that the National Socialist Workers Party (NAZI) really was not socialism. Ever wonder why they get so insecure about that? ******* losers.

Which country with a free market have been taken over by a dictator?

Why did staunch democrats like sean penn, oliver stone among others fully support chavez in Venezuela all to loud cheers of left wing American losers?

Why did that fat disgusting **** michael moore, who is worth about 50 million with a giant ******* mansion thanks to this country, shit all over it while he praised cuba's style of government?

Yet you fuckers deny Venezuela socialists led to a ******* tyranny?

YOU ******* LOSERS. I have more joy wiping my ass than listening to or reading your funky ******* ignorant blather.

**** you all. My thread proves us right again. You are all ******* losers.

We don’t deny that Venezuela socialists led to the current mess. We deny that “socialism”, as a form of government, is responsible for

I ask about Venezuela and these fuckers predictably bring up the wonderful successes of the Nordic countries. The only countries with a higher density of whites than here. What ******* racists.

That is number one. Not to mention the myth that those countries are actually the type of socialism they espouse.



You ******* ignorant leftist cocksuckers. Try changing the subject just a little more you ******* idiots.

Also, how many countries under a free market enterprise have been taken over by a tyrant? When?

This is where they will now attempt to convince us that the National Socialist Workers Party (NAZI) really was not socialism. Ever wonder why they get so insecure about that? ******* losers.

Which country with a free market have been taken over by a dictator?

Why did staunch democrats like sean penn, oliver stone among others fully support chavez in Venezuela all to loud cheers of left wing American losers?

Why did that fat disgusting **** michael moore, who is worth about 50 million with a giant ******* mansion thanks to this country, shit all over it while he praised cuba's style of government?

Yet you fuckers deny Venezuela socialists led to a ******* tyranny?

YOU ******* LOSERS. I have more joy wiping my ass than listening to or reading your funky ******* ignorant blather.

**** you all. My thread proves us right again. You are all ******* losers.

Another highly biased and inherently extreme right wing take on economics.

Institute of Economic Affairs - SourceWatch

You people cannot find anyone from a moderate or even a centre right group to support your biased and totally unsupported economic theories.

Socialism has never worked in all of history. Fact

Capitalism "died in 1929" and socialism has been bailing us our ever since.

the Proof is, Government solves all problems for the right wing. i agree that the US practices "gunboat" diplomacy with our larger economy and causes smaller economies to fail.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

It is simple economics

What in a capitalist based economic model would have prevented an economic meltdown in Venezuela

What would capitalists have done when faced with millions of starving people ?

Dumbass what model created the million starving people? It sure wasn't capitalism.

Cripes you're stupid

Venezuela’s economy was based entirely on oil. While oil boomed their economy boomed, when it collapsed the economy failed

What would capitalists have done differently when the oil economy collapsed?
How would capitalists have helped the resulting millions of starving people?

There is a reason Venezuela's oil output collapsed and won't recover anytime soon.

Research it and you should feel stupid if you find the right answer. Hint...think state owned.

Your post
You get to provide your own answers

What would capitalism have done once the oil economy collapsed?

Easy answer. Not accept responsibility for themselves and blamed the left, what else?

 

[Mac1958]

Since Daryl Hunt won't answer my question, let's see if anyone else will.

This thread is about Venezuela, "Socialism" (however you want to define it) and the Democrats.

Do you think the Democrats want to emulate Venezuela?
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I think the Democrats want to and will do anything to beat Trump and don't give a flying rat's ass who is hurt or what damage they do to this country.

As already stated, they would much rather the US crash & burn than succeed and prosper him Trump as POTUS.

Bitter, petulant traitors … every one of 'em.

Does that answer your question?

Yeah, that was a good, Trumpian, hyperbolic answer. Much appreciated!
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[Theowl32]

Yet, the left here deny they support the Venezuelan style government and claim......I am not sure.

Has anyone seen any of the board left wing losers ever condemn their fellow hollywood losers for such blind support for the brown colored tyrant?

I have not. Not one of them.

Could you just imagine though if Trump ever supported a neo nazi. Oh wait.......They already claim that and they still go ape shit. Yeah, I said APE.

So, since they are so emphatic that Venezuela is not socialism and since they claim that it is overrun by a dictator......PLEASE EXPLAIN THEIR SILENCE IN REGARDS TO THE LEFT BLIND SUPPORT OF CHAVEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mac the socialist loser along with the rest of them are ignoring this.

LOL

Hey Mac. You lose you ******* loser.

 

[SAYIT]

Socialism has not failed Germany and most of the planet.

What protects them?

Free market capitalism.

 

[Theowl32]

Since Daryl Hunt won't answer my question, let's see if anyone else will.

This thread is about Venezuela, "Socialism" (however you want to define it) and the Democrats.

Do you think the Democrats want to emulate Venezuela?
.

I think the Democrats want to and will do anything to beat Trump and don't give a flying rat's ass who is hurt or what damage they do to this country.

As already stated, they would much rather the US crash & burn than succeed and prosper him Trump as POTUS.

Bitter, petulant traitors … every one of 'em.

Does that answer your question?

Yeah, that was a good, Trumpian, hyperbolic answer. Much appreciated!
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Shut the **** up you pathetic loser.

 

[danielpalos]

Do you think the che guevera worshipers are able to admit that?

They still blame it on imperial political and interference with local economics.
Theowl32
One way we can test out what systems are more sustainable:
Allow each party to fund and run its own programs for its own members.

It could be the "prosocialist" include more people who are not financially independent yet,
so they could run their programs like a school system, with work-study benefits on campus sites,
and paid internships where people learn work skills while they earn their education.

While the "capitalist" model represents more experienced business people with knowledge in financial
independence. So this group could provide mentorships and volunteer investors in business plans.
Instead of taxing the rich as a punitive or collective policy, REWARD wealthy business leaders and investors
with tax breaks for mentoring future leaders how to manage grants and loans properly,
paying them back by following solid business plans for development. Not relying on handouts
where they don't learn business skills for becoming self governing and sustaining.

Another idiotic "what-if" scenario brought to you by the party which has no solutions to any problem, and which has stubbornly refused to consider any legislation proposed by Democrats for the past 9 years now, while the problems of the nation have worsened The party which blocked Obama's judging appointments for 8 years as the courts descended into chaos with no one to hear cases, is now busily ramming through an army of unqualified Trump appointees, without even properly vetting them.

Why do you think we should give a shit about what you think? You're a hack and nothin else.
I'm glad you are happy up there, you NEED the Gov to take care of you, we don't.

40 million on food stamps, 20% of the population on MedicAid, 45,000 people dying every year from lack of access to quality medical care, 27th ranked education system in the world, 75,000 people a year dying from opioid abuse.

American workers are so disgusted with being screwed over, they’ve twice voted for politicians with little to no government experience, trying to get someone to take up their plight.

Your government takes care of the rich. It focuses on opportunities for the rich, and on supply side economics, rewarding capitalists at the expense of workers. Tax dollars go to the military. What a waste!

My government provides its people with the health care, education, financial stability and support to allow us to maximize our potential.

Which explains why so many Americans are so desperate to emigrate to Canada. Oh wait ... no they aren't but your life in The North is evidently so boring that you have nothing to do but obsess about the US and hate our prez. Very sad.

Meanwhile despite what you believe we are doing pretty well and waste no time obsessing about Canada or your PM:

Job Growth Underscores Economy’s Vigor; Unemployment at Half-Century Low

A nicely and sustainably expanding economy (which has raised all ships) with low inflation.

Historically low unemployment (especially amongst our minorities) with rising wages and disposable income.

A strong dollar and investment markets.

A righting of what had been a listing (left) USSC.

Repeated exposure of our self-serving swamp and the nefarious players within it, including but not limited to our MSM/DNC and high-ranking mutts at both our DOJ & FBI.

No wonder you bitter, bitter leftards are so hysterical. Anything good for America and Americans you consider to be bad.


Thank you Mr Prez and MAGA, baby!!

not sure why the right wing wants to take credit. what actual policies are helping Labor as the poorest?

left wing minimum wage raises must increase market participation.

 

[Mac1958]

Since Daryl Hunt won't answer my question, let's see if anyone else will.

This thread is about Venezuela, "Socialism" (however you want to define it) and the Democrats.

Do you think the Democrats want to emulate Venezuela?
.

I think the Democrats want to and will do anything to beat Trump and don't give a flying rat's ass who is hurt or what damage they do to this country.

As already stated, they would much rather the US crash & burn than succeed and prosper him Trump as POTUS.

Bitter, petulant traitors … every one of 'em.

Does that answer your question?

Yeah, that was a good, Trumpian, hyperbolic answer. Much appreciated!
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Shut the **** up you pathetic loser.

I sure will!
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[SAYIT]

Socialism has not failed Germany and most of the planet.

What protects them?


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Protects them? Do me a favor look at the military budget of Russia and that of the EU. I think that disparity alone should show you the EU will be fine. I also will point out that the US military spending hovers around 4 percent of GDP while Healthcare cost is around 17 percent of GDP. Even if all countries that have social Democracy would spend a similar amount on defense. They still would spend less than you do on your for profit Healthcare system. What does that tell you about relative cost you think?

They don't have the military ships to protect their interest, see the recent mining by Iran on tankers. Only one country does.


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Most EU countries are landlocked and neither need nor could dock seafaring ships. The US, OTOH, has a boatload of ocean coasts.

 

[danielpalos]

How would Venezuela have done under unrestrained capitalism?
Would the people have been better off?

Venezuela had an economy based entirely on oil. When oil was booming, the Venezuelan economy was the best in South America
Once oil went bust, so did the economy

What part in the capitalist economy would have saved the Venezuelan people?

socializing costs is what socialism is Good for.

here is one area where that nation should have been upgrading technologies:

 

[SAYIT]

For today's GOP, we're either the Old West or Venezuela.
They've been conditioned on this kind of binary thinking for 25+ years now.

Perhaps it's just a reaction to the Dem's inexorable slide into leftarded socialism.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Socialism has not failed Germany and most of the planet.

What protects them?


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Protects them? Do me a favor look at the military budget of Russia and that of the EU. I think that disparity alone should show you the EU will be fine. I also will point out that the US military spending hovers around 4 percent of GDP while Healthcare cost is around 17 percent of GDP. Even if all countries that have social Democracy would spend a similar amount on defense. They still would spend less than you do on your for profit Healthcare system. What does that tell you about relative cost you think?

They don't have the military ships to protect their interest, see the recent mining by Iran on tankers. Only one country does.


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Most EU countries are landlocked and neither need nor could dock seafaring ships. The US, OTOH, has a boatload of ocean coasts.

What does that have to do with them not having any money to protect their socialist Utopia?

.

 

[BlindBoo]

While many ideologues blame “socialism” for the country’s economic ills, most economists point to a set of policy errors that have little or nothing to do with socialism. Most devastating has been the dysfunctional exchange rate system, which has led to a worsening “inflation-depreciation” spiral over the past four years, and now hyperinflation. Free gasoline and price controls that didn’t work also contributed to the crisis. The Trump administration’s financial sanctions—more than all previous destabilization efforts, which were significant—have made it nearly impossible for the government to get out of the mess without outside help.

As if this profoundly distressing situation weren’t enough, media outlets have frequently published exaggerated accounts of the conditions in Venezuela, depicting widespread starvation, for instance. To be sure, soaring food prices have contributed to increased undernourishment throughout the country, but this is a far cry from a large scale famine.

More importantly, there has been scant U.S. media reporting on the further economic damage provoked by the Trump administration’s financial sanctions, announced in late August last year (shortly after Trump’s statement about a “military option” for Venezuela).

As my colleague Mark Weisbrot has explained, Trump’s unilateral and illegal financial embargo – which cuts Venezuela off from most financial markets – has had two major consequences, both of which entail increased economic hardship for the Venezuelan people. First, it causes even greater shortages of essential goods, including food and medicine. Second, it makes economic recovery nearly impossible, since the government cannot borrow or restructure its foreign debt, and in some cases even carry out normal import transactions, including for medicines.

The United States’ Hand in Undermining Democracy in Venezuela

 

[SAYIT]

Dumbass what model created the million starving people? It sure wasn't capitalism. Cripes you're stupid

Venezuela’s economy was based entirely on oil. While oil boomed their economy boomed, when it collapsed the economy failed. What would capitalists have done differently when the oil economy collapsed? How would capitalists have helped the resulting millions of starving people?

Many oil producing countries have survived the dip and even Venezuela's Prez admitted it was their socialist economic model that failed them. How is it he can admit that and you can't, Comrade R?

 

[rightwinger]

How would Venezuela have done under unrestrained capitalism?
Would the people have been better off?

Venezuela had an economy based entirely on oil. When oil was booming, the Venezuelan economy was the best in South America
Once oil went bust, so did the economy

What part in the capitalist economy would have saved the Venezuelan people?

socializing costs is what socialism is Good for.

here is one area where that nation should have been upgrading technologies:

That is a prime reason Venezuela’s economy collapsed
Reliance on oil revenue as its sole economic product

Oil was highly profitable and easy money. Why would a capitalist economy have sought revenue elsewhere?