Trump needs to start giving speeches partially in Spanish and we should consider making Venezuela the 51st state

[Zavulon]

Mostly, they were united by two things - believe in socialism and pressure of foreigners.

I guess the people were united against communism.

It depends on the point of view. As my Mom used to say - "I love Yankees, they are true communists!".

 

[JLW]

Trump give a speech in Spanish? He can barely give one in English.

 

[kyzr]

Hey, may be, Bolivarian Republic is not a "democracy" in your understanding of the term, but it is not a magic kingdom with all-mighty Dark Witch of West, controlling everything and everybody by her magic power. Every human in the realm has as much power over other human being as it allows him/her. Lets play the game. Señora Rodriguez gather all rich men in her country and say them:
1) You, oil magnates, won't sell oil neither to Russian, nor to China, nor anybody else. Only to the USA. But the USA are not really interested, either. They have Canada, and Orinoco basin oil is just too expensive to drill and transport. So, you are losing your money and out of business.

Why wouldn't we let VZ sell to China? Of course we would sell VZ oil to whoever wants it.

2) You, drug makers and traffickers, you are out of business. You are about to lose your money, your freedom and, likely, your life.

True. Drug traffickers are out of business.

3) You, mercenaries, all your contracts with Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and null and void. Maybe, CIA will hire some of you, but most of you are out of business and, likely, out of life.

Soldiers will be paid. Others would likely be hired by the oil companies.

4) Then, she turns to her poor citizens and says: you, poor people, you won't have cheap social food or social gasoline. You can go in jungles and search for food there, but most of you will die out because of starvation this year.

If the VZ government has more money, the social services should improve.

Then, she turns to her army and bodyguards and says: I can't pay you, because we don't have any tax incomes, but please, defend me from all my enemies. What do you think, how long will she survive in this case?

If the VZ government has more money from oil, their pay should improve.

And, on the other hand, there are ambassadors of China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Columbia and many other countries. And they say to her: "Señora, please, lure American soldiers in Venezuela. We'll pay you more than the whole West payed to Zelenskiy. Three hundred billion dollars just for starters. It is $10K for every single citizen of Venezuela if you divide them equally. Given your low prices and expenses those are good money.

Dream on. You don't bite the hand that feeds you, and China/Russia/NK/etc don't have that kind of cash to throw around.

Actually, not. He has two types of cards: money and military force. He is not going to give them significant money, and I'm not sure he has enough of military force to genocide at least half of Venezuela's population.

VZ has seen life with Maduro, which is why 8-million left. You keep thinking the population is with Maduro, it isn't, which is why Machado won the election.

It's not about Maduro. It is about señora Rodriguez and her legitimate ruling.

True. She either "plays ball" or gets replaced.

Of course not. The drug cartels are making their preparations to defeat the USA.

I'm sure they are. We'll see how that turns out.

Venezuelans will return only if there will be money. And Trump's rule isn't about giving them money. It is about stealing their money and stealing opportunities to earn those money.

We disagree. Trump's rule will be to ensure that oil money flows to the people instead of to the dictator.

She can't win honest elections without giving actual money and actual opportunities to earn those money. Empty promises rarely work.

True

She didn't demonstrate opportunities to earn money. All her program (Trump's demands) is about losing money.

Wrong and right. There will be more opportunities, but it will take time time to get the oil flowing again.

C'mon. Orinoco oil is very expensive. It takes up to $50 per barrel to drill it and deliver to a port. It's quite low-marginal product. There hardly is a profit in drilling this oil with current prices, and oil companies are not charity. They need profit.
Trump might think about iron, it's more marginal, but nowadays there is low demand for iron in the USA. (But it still can be useful for future reindustrialisation).

VZ has many valuable metals to mine. We have the oils that blend well with VZ oil to optimize refining.

But Machado can't suggest her people $300Bn just for starters. Rodriguez can.

True. We'll see how that plays out. I'd start with Maduro's money and go from there.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Hey, may be, Bolivarian Republic is not a "democracy" in your understanding of the term, but it is not a magic kingdom with all-mighty Dark Witch of West, controlling everything and everybody by her magic power. Every human in the realmworld has as much power over other human being as it allows him/her.
Lets play the game. Señora Rodriguez gather all rich men in her country and say them:
1) You, oil magnates, won't sell oil neither to Russian, nor to Chima, nor anybody else. Only to the USA. But the USA are not really interested, either. They have Canada and Orinoco basin oil is just to expensive to drill and transport. So, you are losing your money and out of business.
2) You, drug makers and trafficers, you are out of business either. You are losing your money, your freedom and, likely, your life.
3) You, mercenaries, all your contracts with Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and null and void. May be, CIA will hire some of you, but most of you are out of business and, likely, out of life.
Then, she turns to her poor citizens and say:
4) you, poor people, you won't have cheap social food or social gasoline. You can go in jungles and search for food there, but most of you will die out because of starvation this year.
Then, she turns to her army and bodyguards and say: I can't pay you, because we don't have any tax incomes, but please, defend me from all my enemies.

What do you think, how long will she survive in this case?

And, from the other hand, there are ambassadors of China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Columbia and many other countries. And they say her: "Señora, please, lure American soldiers in Venezuela. We'll pay you more than the whole West payed to Zelenskiy. Three hundred billion dollars just for starters. It is $10K for every single citizen of Venezuela if you divide them equally. Given your low prices and expenses those are good money.


Actually, not. He has two types of cards: money and military force. He is not going to give them significant money, and I'm not sure he has enough of military force to genocide at least half of Venezuela's population.


It's not about him. It is about señora Rodriguez and her legitimate ruling.


Of course not. They are making their preparations to defeat the USA, either.


Only if there will be money. And Trump's rule isn't about giving them money. It is about stealing their money and stealing opportunities to earn those money.


She can't win honest elections without giving actual money and actual opportunities to earn those money. Empty promises rarely work.


She didn't demonstrated opportunities to earn money. All her program (Trump's demands) is about losing money.


C'mon. Orinoco oil is very expensive. It takes up to $50 per barrel to drill it and deliver to a port. It's quite low-marginal product. There hardly is a profit in drilling this oil with current prices, and oil companies are not charity. They need profit.
Trump might think about iron, it's more marginal, but nowadays there is low demand for iron in the USA. (But it still can be useful for future reindustrialisation).

But Machado can't suggest her people $300Bn just for starters. Rodriguez can.

Maduro seems less popular among his people compared to say Saddam Hussein of Iraq?

Poverty is rampant in Venezuela. That’s why there is an opportunity for America to enrich the lives of Venezuelans and very outside chance that includes incorporating Venezuela as a territory.

Loyalty to Maduro is super ceded by other things like Christianity and shared values with Americans.

W/e the case America is now responsible for the people of Venezuela. And there can be no more criticism of black or brown people in general which a segment of righties engage in.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

We will either install a friendly government in Venezuela. This could be beneficial for the US but might still result in poverty for the Venezuelan people.

Or we will basically hit and run the country and allow the chips to fall as they will which will surely result in an anti American government in Venezuela. And a loss of international respect for the USA

Or we will incorporate Venezuela as an American territory or the 51st state. This would automatically uplift the lives for the people of Venezuela, who would now have American benefits. And they would have all sorts of job opportunities. A very Christian outcome.

 

[buttercup]

We will either install a friendly government in Venezuela. This could be beneficial but might still resolve in poverty for the Venezuelan people.

Or we will basically hit and run the country and allow the chips to fall as they will which will surely result in an anti American government in Venezuela. And a loss of international respect for the USA

Or we will incorporate Venezuela as an American territory or the 51st state. This would automatically uplift the lives for the people of Venezuela, who would now have American benefits. And they would have all sorts of job opportunities. A very Christian outcome.

This is about globalist control, getting control of their resources and installing an empire-approved, Israel-aligned puppet president. If you really think they care about the Venezuelan people, you evidently don't realize just how corrupt and subversive our government is.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Maduro seems less popular among his people compared to say Saddam Hussein of Iraq?

Poverty is rampant in Venezuela. That’s why there is an opportunity for America to enrich the lives of Venezuelans and very outside chance that includes incorporating Venezuela as a territory.

Loyalty to Maduro is super ceded by other things like Christianity and shared values with Americans.

W/e the case America is now responsible for the people of Venezuela. And there can be no more criticism of black or brown people in general which a segment of righties engage in.

W/e the case America is now responsible for the people of Venezuela.

No, we aren't.

And there can be no more criticism of black or brown people in general which a segment of righties engage in.

I'm very happy that the Venezuelan refugees around the world can return home soon.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We will either install a friendly government in Venezuela. This could be beneficial for the US but might still result in poverty for the Venezuelan people.

Or we will basically hit and run the country and allow the chips to fall as they will which will surely result in an anti American government in Venezuela. And a loss of international respect for the USA

Or we will incorporate Venezuela as an American territory or the 51st state. This would automatically uplift the lives for the people of Venezuela, who would now have American benefits. And they would have all sorts of job opportunities. A very Christian outcome.

Or we will incorporate Venezuela as an American territory or the 51st state.

We won't.

This would automatically uplift the lives for the people of Venezuela, who would now have American benefits. And they would have all sorts of job opportunities.

Never gonna happen.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

W/e the case America is now responsible for the people of Venezuela.

No, we aren't.

And there can be no more criticism of black or brown people in general which a segment of righties engage in.

I'm very happy that the Venezuelan refugees around the world can return home soon.

When we invaded Venezuela and remove their president, we became responsible. We really should make the country the 51st state or consider it and give all Venezuela‘s American citizenship. This is the Christian way forward. This is love. This is the values of Jesus. None of this mean spirit or nastiness that has nothing to do with Christianity.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Or we will incorporate Venezuela as an American territory or the 51st state.

We won't.

This would automatically uplift the lives for the people of Venezuela, who would now have American benefits. And they would have all sorts of job opportunities.

Never gonna happen.

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[Toddsterpatriot]

When we invaded Venezuela and remove their president, we became responsible. We really should make the country the 51st state or consider it and give all Venezuela‘s American citizenship. This is the Christian way forward. This is love. This is the values of Jesus. None of this mean spirit or nastiness that has nothing to do with Christianity.

When we invaded Venezuela and remove their president, we became responsible.

No, we didn't.

We really should make the country the 51st state

We shouldn't.

consider it and give all Venezuela‘s American citizenship.

Stupid idea.

This is the Christian way forward. This is love. This is the values of Jesus.

LOL!

You should get back on your meds.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

This is about globalist control, getting control of their resources and installing an empire-approved, Israel-aligned puppet president. If you really think they care about the Venezuelan people, you evidently don't realize just how corrupt and subversive our government is.


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You are raising legitimate points. I have my concerns about Venezuela.

To put it very straightforward I do not want to be one of those people calling for the looting of Venezuela. Oh no, I want the best possible outcome for the Venezuelan people. This is in line with all of the Christian empires and kingdoms that expanded their domain and actually wanted to enrich the lives of people that came across.

We cannot go back in time and we have to deal with the now. I’m simply saying that I want what is best for the Venezuelan people.

Yes it is in the current government of Israel’s interest to change governments in Venezuela and Iran for that matter. But we have an opportunity with Venezuela that we might not have with other countries. We have the same culture the Christian values and the same family values.

We should immediately consider allowing in 1 million Venezuelan refugees. We owe it to them. They are our family now that’s the way I’m looking at this and there are definitely other Christian Americans with the same views. The mean spirited people often without Christian values won’t be talking like this they’re the ones saying we should just “take all their oil” and who gives a darn about the Venezuelan people. That’s not me and it’s not most Americans.

So we have the idea of allowing in Venezuela refugees. Incorporating Venezuela into the United States of thereby automatically granting Venezuelan citizenship. I’d another idea is to have US taxpayer funded housebuilding in Venezuela. To show the world that we are actually about love. None of this might happen, but that’s what I’m hoping we do. You understand that. I’m not arguing from a Neo conservative perspective completely different.

 

[DennisPTate]

It may have been morally correct to remove Maduro. That is debatable, but what is not debatable is that we broke international law. But we can get over this with a few actions ….perhaps by admitting a lot of Venezuelan immigrants to America. They deserve it because we are now involved and responsible for their country.

No more half measures as the popular saying goes. We could perhaps install a friendly government, but it comes with many concerns so making Venezuela the 51st state must be considered.

And Trump should start giving species partially in Spanish. In order to reach out to the Hispanic people and Latin America. And we also now have a duty to completely and utterly reject any racism against so-called brown people. Anytime you see anybody complaining about black or brown immigrants we must shoot it down…. In order to show the people of Latin America the love and hospitality America is all about.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT COULD WORK!!!!!!!!!!!

And Albertans could learn a lot from how you work this all out!!!!!

 

[Zavulon]

Maduro seems less popular among his people compared to say Saddam Hussein of Iraq?

Who knows? Actually, I don't see it as something really important. I mean, your obsession with personalities of talking heads (and their popularity) seems kinda weird to me. Right now Venezuela has five presidents - Maduro, Rodriguez, Guido, Machado and Trump and no one of them actually controls the situation.

Poverty is rampant in Venezuela. That’s why there is an opportunity for America to enrich the lives of Venezuelans and very outside chance that includes incorporating Venezuela as a territory.

But America didn't came to enrich Venezuelans and give them money. Actually, vice versa, America came to take their money and to rob poor chaps.

Loyalty to Maduro is super ceded by other things like Christianity and shared values with Americans.

Money talks, BS walks. I really doubt that there are a lot of people who love Maduro only because of his nice mustaches. He gives them food and money. If Trump wants to become more popular, he should give them more money and/or food. And it is not what he can do.

W/e the case America is now responsible for the people of Venezuela.

US government isn't responsible even for the people of the USA. Responsibility isn't their strongest side, I believe.

 

[Zavulon]

Why wouldn't we let VZ sell to China? Of course we would sell VZ oil to whoever wants it.

It's one of Trump's demands. Don't sell oil to other countries. And if VZ can't sell oil directly to China, it means oil companies are losing money.

True. Drug traffickers are out of business.

And VZ people are losing their money. It makes them unhappy, and when they unhappy - they start to shoot.

Soldiers will be paid. Others would likely be hired by the oil companies.

Are you serious? America doesn't pay decent salary even to American soldiers.

If the VZ government has more money, the social services should improve.

Where from they suppose to get "more money"? All your suggestions are about VZ losing money.

If the VZ government has more money from oil, their pay should improve.

IF. Very big IF. Actually, with US rule they are going go has much lesser money from oil.

Dream on. You don't bite the hand that feeds you, and China/Russia/NK/etc don't have that kind of cash to throw around.

Of course we have. And they do bite the hand that steal their food.

VZ has seen life with Maduro, which is why 8-million left. You keep thinking the population is with Maduro, it isn't, which is why Machado won the election.

She said that she won. But it is simply not true. It is exactly why Trump didn't allow her to take the throne. She can't rule VZ people, most of them hate her.

True. She either "plays ball" or gets replaced.

Replaced by who? And who will support this new government?

I'm sure they are. We'll see how that turns out.

Actually, nothing good for you in any scenario (exept very exotic).

We disagree. Trump's rule will be to ensure that oil money flows to the people instead of to the dictator.

Trump's rule will be ensure that oil money flows, in the best case, to the US people, instead of VZ people. In more realistic scenarios there will be no money flow at all.

True

Wrong and right. There will be more opportunities, but it will take time time to get the oil flowing again.

People need to eat now. And no, with Trump's "$50 per barrel" there will be no money.

VZ has many valuable metals to mine. We have the oils that blend well with VZ oil to optimize refining.

Not that many. And anyway, without social stability you won't be able to mine anything.

True. We'll see how that plays out. I'd start with Maduro's money and go from there.

Really? Try to save their gold from London bank, first. And London will rather say you something like "F#ck you", rather then return VZ gold.

Anyway, may be, it's more about WMD, rather than about money, gold and oil.