Simple Question: Did we (USA) win Iraq War?

[Mr Natural]

In order to say that we won the war, we need to decide if the original goals set forth at the beginning of the war have been accomplished.

What were those goals?

Finding and destroying Saddams stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction.

Oh, that's right, there weren't any.

Our bad.

But that's OK. War is good business and gets people all patriotic and tingly.

 

[rdean]

Sorry my liberal friends, we won the war in Iraq, to late to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

If you feel cheated, no worries, from what I've seen from the new C-in-C, you'll have a U.S. defeat to celebrate in short order.

There should be enough room to cross out Bush and scribble in Obama on the party hats but Afghanistan is going to be a tight squeeze where Iraq was on the banners and flags...just write small.

Maybe you should break down and sign onto victory with the rest of us, get Obama to pull his head out of his six and listen to the General HE APPOINTED.

We won as long as you don't ask anyone who actually lives there. Good job brownie.

 

[The Rabbi]

Is this what victory looks like in the 21st century? We have to ponder whether or not we actually won? It's already too much to take pondering whether or not we should have even fought the fight!

Thanks, idiot Bush and those who carried water for his idiocy! Because we went uninvited into Iraq, we may now lose the war we should have fought and decisively won.


"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!"

Let's substitute Germany (c.1942) for Iraq (c.2001). What did WW2 cost us in men and money? And Germany didn't even attack us! Germany didn't have the capacity to do that.
That idiot Roosevelt and those who carried water for his idiocy! Over 418,000 killed in just 3 years.
Idiocy knows no borders.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yeah, we won big time!

We won 4,000 dead U.S. troops.

We won close to a trillion dollars in debt (thank you Communist China!).

We won the obligation to keep U.S. forces in yet another foreign country forever.

We won the undying admiration of our good friends the Saudis for relieiving them of their biggest threat.

Typical Librul bullshit non-answer.

Grow a fucking sac, or go borrow someone elses and answer.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In order to say that we won the war, we need to decide if the original goals set forth at the beginning of the war have been accomplished.

What were those goals?

Finding and destroying Saddams stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction.

Oh, that's right, there weren't any.

Our bad.

But that's OK. War is good business and gets people all patriotic and tingly.

That's not what John Kerry said.

“George W. Bush who talks tough and brags about making America safer has once again failed to deliver. After being warned about the danger of major stockpiles of explosives in Iraq, this administration failed to guard those stockpiles – where nearly 380 tons of highly explosive weapons were kept. Today we learned that these explosives are missing, unaccounted for and could be in the hands of terrorists.

“Terrorists could use this material to kill our troops and our people, blow up airplanes and level buildings.

“In May of this year, the administration was warned that terrorists may be helping themselves to ‘the greatest explosives bonanza in history.’ And now we know that our country and our troops are less safe because this president failed to do the basics. This is one of the great blunders of the Bush policy in Iraq.

“The unbelievable incompetence of this president and his administration has put our troops at risk. George W. Bush has failed the essential test of any commander in chief to keep America safe.

“Every step of the way this administration has miscalculated – miscalculated about how many troops we need. Secretary Rumsfeld cavalierly dismissed the danger of looting -- and now we know the impact.

“Make no mistake: our troops are the best-trained and best-led forces in the world, and they have been doing their job honorably and bravely. The problem is the Commander-in-Chief has not being doing his.

“If President Bush can’t recognize his failures in Iraq, he can’t fix them. And he’s doomed to repeat the same mistakes there and elsewhere. We can’t afford to risk four more years of George W. Bush.

“With President Bush, we face the prospect of a war that’s spiraling out of control in Iraq. As president, I will succeed in Iraq and bring our troops home.” -- John Effing Kerry

Follow up on John Kerry Stepping in Al Qaqaa
Infosheet on RDX missing from Al Qaqqa

 

[rdean]

Is this what victory looks like in the 21st century? We have to ponder whether or not we actually won? It's already too much to take pondering whether or not we should have even fought the fight!

Thanks, idiot Bush and those who carried water for his idiocy! Because we went uninvited into Iraq, we may now lose the war we should have fought and decisively won.


"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!"

Let's substitute Germany (c.1942) for Iraq (c.2001). What did WW2 cost us in men and money? And Germany didn't even attack us! Germany didn't have the capacity to do that.
That idiot Roosevelt and those who carried water for his idiocy! Over 418,000 killed in just 3 years.
Idiocy knows no borders.

You can't really make a valid comparison.

When you have treaties with other countries and they are attacked, it's they same as if you were attacked.

Many people here have relatives in Europe that weren't even a generation away.

Germany had already attempted to take over Europe.

The German policy of being the "master race" was frightening.

Americans knew what was happening in concentration camps.

There are many reasons why we entered the war. You can't make the same comparison with Iraq.

 

[Mr Natural]

Yeah, we won big time!

We won 4,000 dead U.S. troops.

We won close to a trillion dollars in debt (thank you Communist China!).

We won the obligation to keep U.S. forces in yet another foreign country forever.

We won the undying admiration of our good friends the Saudis for relieiving them of their biggest threat.

Typical Librul bullshit non-answer.

Grow a fucking sac, or go borrow someone elses and answer.

We didn't win a thing, not a fucking thing.


Now take your neo-con bullshit and shove it up your ass, douchebag.

 

[manu1959]

Horsecrap, CF. Basic services, including electricity, are at pre-war levels and it has been six years. The second we are out of there, Iraq will ally with Iran. I truly believe that was not part of Bush's plan.

the persians hate the arabs....an alliance will never happen....

 

[HUGGY]

Iraq War “To Do” List
1. Defeat Iraqi Military
2. Overrun Baghdad
3. Capture Saddam
4. Begin Martial Law
5. Defeat Insurgency
6. Facilitate Elections
7. Establish New Currency
8. Establish New Constitution
9. Establish Fair Markets
10. Rebuild infrastructure

10 for 10. Chalk it up for the Good Guys.

There was nothing for us to gain or win in Iraq. We lost about 5,000 troops..killed an incalcuble number of people that did nothing to us. Spent several trillion dollars for nothing..not even an investment..just wasted. And you want to know if we won or lost? We are not the good guys..we are the dumb and dangerous guys.

 

[The Rabbi]

Is this what victory looks like in the 21st century? We have to ponder whether or not we actually won? It's already too much to take pondering whether or not we should have even fought the fight!

Thanks, idiot Bush and those who carried water for his idiocy! Because we went uninvited into Iraq, we may now lose the war we should have fought and decisively won.


"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!"

Let's substitute Germany (c.1942) for Iraq (c.2001). What did WW2 cost us in men and money? And Germany didn't even attack us! Germany didn't have the capacity to do that.
That idiot Roosevelt and those who carried water for his idiocy! Over 418,000 killed in just 3 years.
Idiocy knows no borders.

You can't really make a valid comparison.

When you have treaties with other countries and they are attacked, it's they same as if you were attacked.

Many people here have relatives in Europe that weren't even a generation away.

Germany had already attempted to take over Europe.

The German policy of being the "master race" was frightening.

Americans knew what was happening in concentration camps.

There are many reasons why we entered the war. You can't make the same comparison with Iraq.

Hello? We didn't have treaties with anyone in Europe. We have plenty of Kurds and Iraqis living here. The concentration camps never entered into it.
Your reasons for why the US entered WW2 are as bogus as your reason why we shouldn't have gone to war in Iraq.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Iraq War “To Do” List
1. Defeat Iraqi Military
2. Overrun Baghdad
3. Capture Saddam
4. Begin Martial Law
5. Defeat Insurgency
6. Facilitate Elections
7. Establish New Currency
8. Establish New Constitution
9. Establish Fair Markets
10. Rebuild infrastructure

10 for 10. Chalk it up for the Good Guys.

There was nothing for us to gain or win in Iraq. We lost about 5,000 troops..killed an incalcuble number of people that did nothing to us. Spent several trillion dollars for nothing..not even an investment..just wasted. And you want to know if we won or lost? We are not the good guys..we are the dumb and dangerous guys.

Only two choice: yes or no.

Not only is "I'm a dipshit" not an answer but already MrClean tried it

 

[rdean]

Let's substitute Germany (c.1942) for Iraq (c.2001). What did WW2 cost us in men and money? And Germany didn't even attack us! Germany didn't have the capacity to do that.
That idiot Roosevelt and those who carried water for his idiocy! Over 418,000 killed in just 3 years.
Idiocy knows no borders.

You can't really make a valid comparison.

When you have treaties with other countries and they are attacked, it's they same as if you were attacked.

Many people here have relatives in Europe that weren't even a generation away.

Germany had already attempted to take over Europe.

The German policy of being the "master race" was frightening.

Americans knew what was happening in concentration camps.

There are many reasons why we entered the war. You can't make the same comparison with Iraq.

Hello? We didn't have treaties with anyone in Europe. We have plenty of Kurds and Iraqis living here. The concentration camps never entered into it.
Your reasons for why the US entered WW2 are as bogus as your reason why we shouldn't have gone to war in Iraq.

Anyone excpt England, France and Italy.

Treaty of Versailles

Signed on June 28, 1919, by Germany on the one hand and by the Allies (save Russia) on the other, the Treaty of Versailles embodied the results of the long and often bitter negotiations of the Paris Peace Conference of 1919.

The outstanding figures in the negotiations leading to the treaty were Woodrow Wilson for the United States, Georges Clemenceau for France, David Lloyd George for England, and Vittorio Emanuele Orlando for Italy—the so-called Big Four. Germany, as the defeated power, was not included in the consultation.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005248.html

-------This of course led to the formation of the "League of Nations". While Woodro Wilson did negociate, the Senate refused to sign, but the US held to the tenats of the treaty.

barely a hundred thousand Kurds live here.

I'm guessing less than a hundred thousand Iraqis live here permanently.

How many English, German and Italian live here. I suspect quite a few more.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Of course we have not "won" in Iraq.

Our troops will be gone by 2011, and Iraq will ally with Iran.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Of course we have not "won" in Iraq.

Our troops will be gone by 2011, and Iraq will ally with Iran.

Which would explain why Mooky Al Sadr took over Basra.

No wait!

 

[HUGGY]

Iraq War “To Do” List
1. Defeat Iraqi Military
2. Overrun Baghdad
3. Capture Saddam
4. Begin Martial Law
5. Defeat Insurgency
6. Facilitate Elections
7. Establish New Currency
8. Establish New Constitution
9. Establish Fair Markets
10. Rebuild infrastructure

10 for 10. Chalk it up for the Good Guys.

There was nothing for us to gain or win in Iraq. We lost about 5,000 troops..killed an incalcuble number of people that did nothing to us. Spent several trillion dollars for nothing..not even an investment..just wasted. And you want to know if we won or lost? We are not the good guys..we are the dumb and dangerous guys.

Only two choice: yes or no.

Not only is "I'm a dipshit" not an answer but already MrClean tried it

The question is dissengenuous. Somehow THAT makes me a dipshit? Frankie..frankie.. Is there no innocent person on this earth you would not murder to justify yours and your neo con heros bad thinking skills?

 

[Mr Natural]

Iraq War “To Do” List
1. Defeat Iraqi Military
2. Overrun Baghdad
3. Capture Saddam
4. Begin Martial Law
5. Defeat Insurgency
6. Facilitate Elections
7. Establish New Currency
8. Establish New Constitution
9. Establish Fair Markets
10. Rebuild infrastructure

10 for 10. Chalk it up for the Good Guys.

There was nothing for us to gain or win in Iraq. We lost about 5,000 troops..killed an incalcuble number of people that did nothing to us. Spent several trillion dollars for nothing..not even an investment..just wasted. And you want to know if we won or lost? We are not the good guys..we are the dumb and dangerous guys.

Only two choice: yes or no.

Not only is "I'm a dipshit" not an answer but already MrClean tried it

That doesn't make you any less of a dipshit.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So because we still have troops in Germany (which, by the way, never attacked us) Libruls are calling WWII for Hitler.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The neo-cons went to war, CF, and then proceded to throw away an incredible military victory. When we are gone the Iraqis will ally with the Iranians. If that is what Bush had in mind, then we "won" the war.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The neo-cons went to war, CF, and then proceded to throw away an incredible military victory. When we are gone the Iraqis will ally with the Iranians. If that is what Bush had in mind, then we "won" the war.

I've been hearing this crap as long as I've heard "The War is looooost"

You fucking Librul loser lowlifes will do and say anything to make it look like we lost.

Mooky Al Sadr and his Iranian backers tried to take Basra and the ISF beat the crap out of them; your team got its ass kicked out of Iraq

 

[The Rabbi]

You can't really make a valid comparison.

When you have treaties with other countries and they are attacked, it's they same as if you were attacked.

Many people here have relatives in Europe that weren't even a generation away.

Germany had already attempted to take over Europe.

The German policy of being the "master race" was frightening.

Americans knew what was happening in concentration camps.

There are many reasons why we entered the war. You can't make the same comparison with Iraq.

Hello? We didn't have treaties with anyone in Europe. We have plenty of Kurds and Iraqis living here. The concentration camps never entered into it.
Your reasons for why the US entered WW2 are as bogus as your reason why we shouldn't have gone to war in Iraq.

Anyone excpt England, France and Italy.

Treaty of Versailles

Signed on June 28, 1919, by Germany on the one hand and by the Allies (save Russia) on the other, the Treaty of Versailles embodied the results of the long and often bitter negotiations of the Paris Peace Conference of 1919.

The outstanding figures in the negotiations leading to the treaty were Woodrow Wilson for the United States, Georges Clemenceau for France, David Lloyd George for England, and Vittorio Emanuele Orlando for Italy—the so-called Big Four. Germany, as the defeated power, was not included in the consultation.

1930 – 1939 World History — Infoplease.com

-------This of course led to the formation of the "League of Nations". While Woodro Wilson did negociate, the Senate refused to sign, but the US held to the tenats of the treaty.

barely a hundred thousand Kurds live here.

I'm guessing less than a hundred thousand Iraqis live here permanently.

How many English, German and Italian live here. I suspect quite a few more.

As far as I know no one took any treaty obligation seriously. The impetus was simply Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. If they hadnt done that I doubt we would have entered the war. Roosevelt had tremendous opposition even to Lend-Lease.
And fwiw, the Germans living here largely supported Hitler, as did the Irish.
But since you mention treaties and such, recall that at least one reason adduced for Iraq was to enforce UN resolutions. Lots of them.