Simple fact about Afghanistan.

[JGalt]

Actually, while in charge of the 101st Airborne, Petraeus left behind a whole bunch of ordinances because he was in a hurry to get to Bagdad. Came back to bite us in the ass. But this shit about leaving equipment behind is nonsense. It is a clear example of how Facebook, social media, and bias news organizations have completely screwed up this country. The equipment was provided to the Afghan army. There were fires surrounding the airport as the US military demilitarized remaining equipment. While there are some equipment that was left behind, including aircraft and a few Blackhawk helicopters, the ability of the Taliban to even operate that equipment, let alone maintain it, is all but non-existent. No spare parts, no trained maintenance crews, these aren't Toyota trucks, there is little chance that equipment will ever be utilized.

The comical part is the idea that Biden had anything to do with it. What, did he call the generals and tell them to abandon common military practice and leave the equipment intact? Like the bit about drilling on federal lands, this whole left equipment behind is a clear demonstration of the utter ignorance of the Trump sheeple. Seriously, pull your head out of your ass and find some real news sources.

You're severely understating the amount of equipment Biden's military left behind.

Read more: Here is a detailed breakdown of all the US equipment abandoned to the Taliban (and it's a LOT)
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American Aircraft, Equipment & Armored Vehicles

• 2,000 Armored Vehicles Including Humvees and MRAPs
• 75,989 Total Vehicles: FMTV, M35, Ford Rangers, Ford F350, Ford Vans, Toyota Pickups, Armored Security Vehicles etc.
• 45 UH-60 Blackhawk Helicopters
• 50 MD530G Scout Attack Helicopters
• ScanEagle Military Drones
• 30 Military Version Cessnas
• 4 C-130s
• 29 Brazilian made A-29 Super Tucano Ground Attack Aircraft
• Heavy Equipment, Including Bull Dozers, Backhoes, Dump Trucks, Excavators

=208+ Aircraft Total

At least 600,000+ Small arms M16, M249 SAWs, M24 Sniper Systems, 50 Calibers, 1,394 M203 Grenade Launchers, M134 Mini Gun, 20mm Gatling Guns and Ammunition​

• 61,000 M203 Rounds
• 20,040 Grenades
• Howitzers
• Mortars +1,000’s of Rounds
• 162,000 pieces of Encrypted Military Communications Gear
• 16,000+ Night Vision Goggles
• Newest Technology Night Vision Scopes
• Thermal Scopes and Thermal Mono Googles
• 10,000 2.75 inch Air to Ground Rockets
• Reconnaissance Equipment (ISR)
• Laser Aiming Units
• Explosives Ordnance C-4, Semtex, Detonators, Shaped Charges, Thermite, Incendiaries, AP/API/APIT
• 2,520 Bombs
• Administration Encrypted Cell Phones and Laptops ALL operational
• Pallets with Millions of Dollars in US Currency
• Millions of Rounds of Ammunition including but not limited to 20,150,600 rounds of 7.62mm, 9,000,000 rounds of 50.caliber
• Large Stockpile of Plate Carriers and Body Armor
• US Military HIIDE, for Handheld Interagency Identity Detection Equipment Biometrics

Here is a detailed breakdown of all the US equipment abandoned to the Taliban (and it's a LOT)

 

[gipper]

Had Trump pulled out of Afghanistan, had 13 soldiers been killed in an explosion outside of Kabul airport, a lot of people on the right would be saying it was the right thing to do. They're be pointing out the number of deaths, the lack of success, the inability of the Afghanis to fight for their own country.

A lot of Democrats would be criticizing them for leaving a US ally, they'd be saying they were giving it for China and so on.

But since it's Biden, the Republicans are attacking Biden, attacking leaving Afghanistan while the Democrats are defending.

The question, how is this healthy for the US? How can a country progress when politics is constantly surrounded by this total nonsense?

It can’t progress. All this silly partisan bickering keeps us divided. It’s all going as planned.

 

[struth]

All said and done, I am damn glad he got us out of the pit, we should have been out of 10 years and two presidents ago. Nation Building, Bullsh#t. We suck at it. Only 13 of our troops were killed in the withdrawal during the final two weeks. I have seen more US troops die during a two-week annual training, here in the states. He did it, even though the (useless) Afghani Army surrendered and laid down their weapons while he and our military pulled it off. The Bast#rds could have turned in their weapons and equipment for destruction a month ago, but they showed their true colors before they had to stand up for their country, proving that country certainly not worth further investment of our military lives, material and money.
Thank you, President Joseph R. Biden, Jr.! I am damn glad I voted for you, Sir.

maybe so but ten years ago obama and xiden said it was the war of necessity and increased our troops

and we did a great job rebuilding japan and germany…so it was possible

 

[frigidweirdo]

What???.You can insult with the best of em Jenny.

My God. 50 yrs of ME diplomacy totally ruined. The defense mechanisms are incredible

Bye.

 

[Yarddog]

Had Trump pulled out of Afghanistan, had 13 soldiers been killed in an explosion outside of Kabul airport, a lot of people on the right would be saying it was the right thing to do. They're be pointing out the number of deaths, the lack of success, the inability of the Afghanis to fight for their own country.

A lot of Democrats would be criticizing them for leaving a US ally, they'd be saying they were giving it for China and so on.

But since it's Biden, the Republicans are attacking Biden, attacking leaving Afghanistan while the Democrats are defending.

The question, how is this healthy for the US? How can a country progress when politics is constantly surrounded by this total nonsense?

Biden and his protectors are doing their best to hide his screw ups here. It was a mess and he's trying to say no one else could have done better? Thats a man trying hard not to take responsibility.He says "the buck stops here" but his words are completely hollow as he will immediatly deflect blame to someone else in the same breath.

Personally I think we needed to keep a small force there until the Afghans were really ready. I wouldn't have agreed with Trump either because global Jihadists are not going away and they will be using the cover of Afghanistan despite the rosy picture Biden is painting.
Afghans were willing to fight. They lost about 50 - 60 thousand in fighting. The failures were at the top with corruption. With minimal effort we could have avoided attrocities on a mass scale that is already beginning. The biggest failure was Bidens inability to adjust to changing situations on the ground. He promised they had made plans for every contingency yet his people were constantly confused.... that was just nice sounding BS

 

[JGalt]

Hahahahahahahahah!

Chris Cuomo is throwing Biden under the bus right now on CNN



I tried listening to Maddow on MSNBC but she's just blabbering on a bout the hurricane, and some story about herself.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You offered a hypothetical scenario to deflect from Biden's massive failure and expect to be treated kindly?

What a pointless post. Go away. Or you can end up on the ignore button too.

Do I expect to talk politics, or do I expect to be part of some high schoolesc slagging match?

I expect the first, which is why those who do the second end up being ignored.

If you can't talk politics, fuck off.

 

[frigidweirdo]

well one thug is pure speculation…and likely wouldn’t of happened

so let’s just deal with the facts of what did happen. Xiden lied people died

that’s no good for america

Ah yes, let's stick to what's convenient for you, and then make up childish names for people.

Yes, and then pretend we're adults, shall we?

 

[frigidweirdo]

It can’t progress. All this silly partisan bickering keeps us divided. It’s all going as planned.

Yes, the problem is that it seems like a natural thing in humans to stop too much dominance. Countries rise and their fall is inevitable, and the falls are coming quicker and quicker. Rome took centuries, the US is going to be over before a century is out.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Biden and his protectors are doing their best to hide his screw ups here. It was a mess and he's trying to say no one else could have done better? Thats a man trying hard not to take responsibility.He says "the buck stops here" but his words are completely hollow as he will immediatly deflect blame to someone else in the same breath.

Personally I think we needed to keep a small force there until the Afghans were really ready. I wouldn't have agreed with Trump either because global Jihadists are not going away and they will be using the cover of Afghanistan despite the rosy picture Biden is painting.
Afghans were willing to fight. They lost about 50 - 60 thousand in fighting. The failures were at the top with corruption. With minimal effort we could have avoided attrocities on a mass scale that is already beginning. The biggest failure was Bidens inability to adjust to changing situations on the ground. He promised they had made plans for every contingency yet his people were constantly confused.... that was just nice sounding BS

The screw up was entering Afghanistan.

The Afghans would never have been ready. If after 20 years they're not ready, then when?

 

[Esdraelon]

Not Biden. He was calling for withdrawal since he became VP. He was overruled by Obama.

Good to know we have such a consistent and intelligent man running things.

You are either the world's biggest shill or you are delusional. Take your pick. Just don't kid yourself that anyone actually believes your idiotic statements.

The FACTS are that no Americans had died for over a year. 2500 troops were respected and not attacked while Trump was in office. His plan was laid out to draw the Americans out, then the allies, then the military. Your senile boy flipped that script intentionally and I sincerely hope that the day comes when YOU or those YOU love are betrayed in such a way. Perhaps then you'll finally grasp how destructive your support for such evil is.

 

[Esdraelon]

You'd think they'd wise up by now.

We are watching tribalistic hate that was created by complicit corporate media. I would CHEER the day that that filth becomes too afraid for their own lives to ever leave a secure location.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Had Trump pulled out of Afghanistan, had 13 soldiers been killed in an explosion outside of Kabul airport, a lot of people on the right would be saying it was the right thing to do. They're be pointing out the number of deaths, the lack of success, the inability of the Afghanis to fight for their own country.

A lot of Democrats would be criticizing them for leaving a US ally, they'd be saying they were giving it for China and so on.

But since it's Biden, the Republicans are attacking Biden, attacking leaving Afghanistan while the Democrats are defending.

The question, how is this healthy for the US? How can a country progress when politics is constantly surrounded by this total nonsense?

It can’t keep on going on like this but let be clear all great experiments come to an end and America time is coming to an end.

 

[White 6]

maybe so but ten years ago obama and xiden said it was the war of necessity and increased our troops

and we did a great job rebuilding japan and germany…so it was possible

That is true, and President Obama called that shot. There is only one Commander and Chief, there isn't any vice commander and chief. Obama said he wanted to get us out and did not approve getting into Iraq. He did not stop either one, even when he accomplished the original mission we went into Afghanistan to do, opting for the creeping nation building mission instead.

Let's not forget the dumb Son-of-Bush that took us in there. If he had devoted the troops, material and effort he sidetracked uselessly into Iraq, he would have tracked and taken Osama before he left office, but he had good old American conceited NATION BUILDING to do and American military/industrial money to be made, and he FAILED at the nation building there, too.

Donny was uselessly campaigning on getting us out of Afghanistan, but you almost can't blame him, much. Obama had already taken the glory out of the Afghanistan mission by accomplishing it. There was never a possibility of successful nation building there, but getting out would have been just as messy back in Trump's first 4 years and getting out was not popular with his dumb ass base, so he had no real intention to spend his political capital doing what was right but politically unpopular.

 

[JGalt]

It can’t keep on going on like this but let be clear all great experiments come to an end and America time is coming to an end.

Nawwww. We'll throw the bums out on 2022 and 2024, Trump will come back, and 'murica will be made great again.

 

[White 6]

The screw up was entering Afghanistan.

The Afghans would never have been ready. If after 20 years they're not ready, then when?

No. We followed Osama bin Laden to Afghanistan. And, we should have followed him to the ends of the earth to send him to hell. After we sent him to hell, we should have left.
We just should not have stayed for some lame nation building mission after our actual mission was accomplished.

 

[struth]

Ah yes, let's stick to what's convenient for you, and then make up childish names for people.

Yes, and then pretend we're adults, shall we?

sorry, the truth is inconvienet for you

 

[Rogue AI]

What a pointless post. Go away. Or you can end up on the ignore button too.

Do I expect to talk politics, or do I expect to be part of some high schoolesc slagging match?

I expect the first, which is why those who do the second end up being ignored.

If you can't talk politics, fuck off.

You blaming Trump isn't political, it's you being a whiny bitch. Especially when there is failure heaped upon failure in the actual withdrawal that you want ignore.

Your threat to ignore me only confirms you are incapable of entering a conversation that isn't a whiny liberal circle jerk. Bye, hope to never hear from you again.

 

[struth]

That is true, and President Obama called that shot. There is only one Commander and Chief, there isn't any vice commander and chief. Obama said he wanted to get us out and did not approve getting into Iraq. He did not stop either one, even when he accomplished the original mission we went into Afghanistan to do, opting for the creeping nation building mission instead.

Let's not forget the dumb Son-of-Bush that took us in there. If he had devoted the troops, material and effort he sidetracked uselessly into Iraq, he would have tracked and taken Osama before he left office, but he had good old American conceited NATION BUILDING to do and American military/industrial money to be made, and he FAILED at the nation building there, too.

Donny was uselessly campaigning on getting us out of Afghanistan, but you almost can't blame him, much. Obama had already taken the glory out of the Afghanistan mission by accomplishing it. There was never a possibility of successful nation building there, but getting out would have been just as messy back in Trump's first 4 years and getting out was not popular with his dumb ass base, so he had no real intention to spend his political capital doing what was right but politically unpopular.

xiden helped campaign on that issue

 

[White 6]

xiden helped campaign on that issue

If he was running on that ticket, it was his job to support the ticket, if he wanted to be on that ticket. Look at the bullsh#t Pence supported, right up until the very end, when he basically said, oh hell no!