Sick and tired of US debate on raising the min. wage.

[Wyatt earp]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Just a question why do people making $8~$12 an hour want to make minimum wage?

 

[boedicca]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today.

Thanks for the giggle.

 

[Desperado]

I was shocked when Biden raised it to 15 for federal workers???????? Who in their right mind is working for the federal gov and making less than 15 and hour???? A WHOLE LOT OF MINORITIES....MY FRIEND WORKED IN SSI IN TENN. SHE WAS MAKING LESS THAN 15 AFTER 30 YEARS OF SERVICE

Is the job she is doing worth $15 an hour?

No government administrative job is worth $15 an hour

 

[Ben Thomson]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Just a question why do people making $8~$12 an hour want to make minimum wage?

Something about the cost of living being more than $8-$12 an hour can cover.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

I support raising the minimum wage to $15.00/hour. I hope it is done incrementally, though.

Why do you want to pay more for the same?


If you want to give to charity do it

 

[impuretrash]

shut the fuck up you cantankerous old bat. The only thing that motivates you is hate for ****** that's why you've aligned yourself with the Democrats and that's why you advocate for democrat policies.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Gee maybe that shut down thing was stupid and destructive eh

Ya know, had Trump the mental capacity to see past his own vanity and narcissism, perhaps the spread of Covid wouldn't have been so servere...BUT THE BITCH DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT AND YES THE NATION WENT CRAZY WITH SHUT DOWNS, CRAZY WITH IDEAS ON HOW TO GET A GRIP ON THIS PANDEMIC....BECAUSE THAT WHITE WHORE IN THE WHITE HOUSE, WAS TOO BUSY TELLING BRAIN DEAD MOTHERFUCKERS ABOUT AN ELECTION BEING RIGGED IF HE DIDN'T WIN....

Funny the election was months off when this started. Typical lib lies and expecting politicians to possess the power of God and banish disease. Grow up.....

 

[Wyatt earp]

To be honest with you, I have been kicked off of every site on the web bc of my mouth and frankly maybe I'm trying to be banned here too....I need a break from social media and having no place to go, will help me heal. Meanwhile, fuck off and why I gotta be black? What? White ppl don't cuss? Oh, so if you willfully threatend to murder politicians on public forums, its OK AS LONG AS YOU DON'T USE CURSE WORDS???? Get the fkkk out here

Your pathological obsession with skin color and distaste for whites gives you away

of course you could be a lilly white teenager who listens to rap music and wants to sound ”woke”

in either case you have a self-inflicted handicap

It's truth matters sock

 

[White 6]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

I support raising the minimum wage to $15.00/hour. I hope it is done incrementally, though.

Why do you want to pay more for the same?


If you want to give to charity do it

Never noticed it hurting me before. Doubt it will this time. I am in favor of people that work 40 hours a week being at least equal to if no above the poverty line where they live. You are not. Will you try for illegal aliens to keep your cost of business down?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Just a question why do people making $8~$12 an hour want to make minimum wage?

Something about the cost of living being more than $8-$12 an hour can cover.

So by making minimum wage it fits you covered ?


It doesn't make sense, they were making 75 cents -$5 bucks over minimum

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

To be honest with you, I have been kicked off of every site on the web bc of my mouth and frankly maybe I'm trying to be banned here too....I need a break from social media and having no place to go, will help me heal. Meanwhile, fuck off and why I gotta be black? What? White ppl don't cuss? Oh, so if you willfully threatend to murder politicians on public forums, its OK AS LONG AS YOU DON'T USE CURSE WORDS???? Get the fkkk out here

Your pathological obsession with skin color and distaste for whites gives you away

of course you could be a lilly white teenager who listens to rap music and wants to sound ”woke”

in either case you have a self-inflicted handicap

It's truth matters sock

 

[Andylusion]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Complex answers, to complex questions.
They are wrong. Every single time you raise the minimum wage, it destroys jobs.

Let me ask you something. I don't know what products you buy on a regular basis, but for simplicity sake let's take Milk.

If you today were to raise the price of milk to say $20 a gallon. Would you still buy milk for your kids? Or would you have them make do with water, or perhaps orange juice?

You would change what you buy. Or maybe you would still buy milk, but very rarely.

Let me give another example. Right now an unlimited data plan for smart phones, costs anywhere from $50 to $100 a month for a single phone.

What if the price of a smart phone plan doubled or tripled to $150 a month, to $300 a month? Would you still pay for an unlimited data plan for a single phone? The rich people might, sure. But for the rest of us, more likely we are going to either skip on having a smart phone, or find cheaper plans without unlimited data.

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Here this mother, talks about how the price for hiring a babysitter was insane. As the price for having a babysitter went up, the result was they simply went out on dates less.

She ends the article with:
"But I won’t pay $15 an hour for someone to sit on my couch and watch movies while my kids sleep. If my only choice was paying $60 for a four-hour date with my husband, I would just stay home."

Another article which was sadly removed from the Huffington Post, said they simply found another couple with children, and did kid swapping. I'll take your kids one night so you can go on a date, and you take mine so we can.

Either way, when the cost of the labor is higher than the value of the labor to the customer, they simply don't hire the labor.

This is the reality of how life works.

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min.

Not true. There are just as many if not more economists, that do not want to raise the minimum wage, for the reasons I have outlined.

Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold

And therein lies the problem. Are you in favor of the rich getting richer, while the poor getting poorer? Because that's the result of your position.

Amazon can afford to have a $15/hour minimum wage, because Amazon makes $13 Billion in real profits, and because they already had much higher wages.

Before Amazon said they would have a $15/hour minimum, they were already paying that much, or close to it.

But if you opened your own business, would you be able to afford $15/hour minimum? No. Because you are not making $13 Billion a year in profits.

So your business will close, and Amazon will grow, because now they have a monopoly. A monopoly that you created with a $15/hour minimum wage. Rich get richer... poor get poorer.

By the way.... have you ever worked at Amazon, or know anyone who has? Because I know dozens. There is a reason Amazon paid $15/hour back in 2015. We had about a dozen people quit working at the warehouse where I was, and go to Amazon. More than half came back to our warehouse to work for a lower wage.

The reason is, Amazon requires you to work hard. As in, real hard. And many people simply can't keep up, or simply don't want to work that hard. You are MOVING when you are at Amazon. It's a lot like UPS. When you work for UPS, you are WORKING. You are moving, getting boxes, scanning them, tossing them into trucks, and getting the next box. Same with Amazon. You have to make stuff happen, non-stop.

It's not like at the warehouse where I worked, where you walk around, pulling a cart, look up the shelves, find what you need, walk to the next place. No on.... you are bordering on running all day. And if you don't get your quota of work done, the boss comes down on you. Sorry you have to work. You have to get X number done. You must get the orders out.

There is no free lunch. There is *NO* free lunch. You want $15/hour? You have to work for it. And if you eliminate jobs that pay less, then I hope you are a strong person, with good stamina, and a good back, because you are going to be moving it. And hard.

Like I said, more than half the people who left for the higher paying Amazon job, called us back and asked if they could get their old jobs back. And fascinating thing happened by the way... all those people who complained about the wages too low.... when the few of them that we rehired came back to our company.... not one complained about low pay anymore. Not one.

But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Really? So you are going to destroy a persons life, cause them to lose millions of dollars, but at least they can get $15/hour at Amazon?

Let me give you an example.

So this restaurant is Luigi's, it's been open in Hilliard Ohio since the 1950s, as the banner says. It's a family owned and operated mom&pop shop. Literally. The guy who owns it, is the son of the guy who founded it, and his son is now running the store, and likely will take over after his father retires.

Now let's pretend that your grand father started this store, your father owns it, and soon it will be your store.

How does that "Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25." sound to you now?

Are you seriously suggesting that a policy that would bankrupt your business, and end a family owned store for generations, would be perfectly fine, and you'll be happy going and working at McDonald's if they pay $15/hour?

Of course you would be furious to lose a business that was in the family for generations, so you can go be a poor worker for McDonald's. But those people, are exactly the people you would be harming. McDonald's has the money to replace workers with Kiosks, and automate grilling and fries. You and your small business do not have that kind of money, so you go bankrupt, and McDonald's gets rich. Rich get richer, poor get poorer... and all because you wanted a minimum wage law.

 

[Concerned American]

from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today.

Hard to take you seriously when you are talking about the price of chicken and turkey--did you maybe mean "paltry" SMH

 

[Concerned American]

But I won’t pay $15 an hour for someone to sit on my couch and watch movies while my kids sleep.

Last time I checked--babysitters are not subject to minimum wage laws--I get your point and agree whole heartedly however.

 

[rightwinger]

Long Beach just mandated a 4 dollar raise for grocery store owners. Two major grocery stores promptly closed leaving all employees out of a job and out of job benefits.

If they need a $7.25 minimum wage to stay in business, they deserve to close

Good. The two biggest grocery stores closed. Yaaay. The people are out of a job. The neighborhood now has to go elsewhere to shop. Meanwhile the Kroger company will not feel a thing. It's a win lose in all the right places.

If Kroger cannot operate without $7.25 wages
They deserve to fail

 

[Concerned American]

Joe Biden, as do most economist wants to raise the min. wage to 15.00 an hour, from the poultry 7.25 as it stands today. Most workers of course do not make 7.25 an hour as we all know, most are making btwn 8-12 an hour, with 12.00 being the standard. However, this debate has got to come to an end and real work, not words have to prevail this time.

For the last 12 years Wall Street as has Main Street retailers via online venues, all have seen profits soar to historic levels and Trump rallied and braged on how rich the rich was getting especially his last 4 years, not only with tax cuts but with market growths...so this bullshit about ppl will lose jobs...tired of hearing about it.

And waiting on a recovery from this pandemic will take another decade, if not more with so many business's, closing. However, NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY WILL MAKE A DIME, OUTSIDE OF SPECULATORS AND HEDGE FUNDERS on WALL STREET, WITHOUT CONSUMER SPENDING.

Its time Biden, congress and the senate take the effort, the vote and raise the min. wage to a level that can not only help families regroup again with a new job focus, but also help business's grow also. Amazon raised wages profits only grew. Some companies will have to fold, welcome to life!! But at least the owner can go out and find a job paying 15 bucks an hour vs 7.25.

Gee maybe that shut down thing was stupid and destructive eh

Ya know, had Trump the mental capacity to see past his own vanity and narcissism, perhaps the spread of Covid wouldn't have been so servere...BUT THE BITCH DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT AND YES THE NATION WENT CRAZY WITH SHUT DOWNS, CRAZY WITH IDEAS ON HOW TO GET A GRIP ON THIS PANDEMIC....BECAUSE THAT WHITE WHORE IN THE WHITE HOUSE, WAS TOO BUSY TELLING BRAIN DEAD MOTHERFUCKERS ABOUT AN ELECTION BEING RIGGED IF HE DIDN'T WIN....

If you don't vote for me, YOU AIN'T BLACK, Joe Biden on the campaign trail. Does that mean that if you vote for China Joe, you ARE black?

 

[Andylusion]

hardly since most are already paying that much it only shows how far behind the federal min wage is.

To me it shows the stupidity of pinheads in government who cannot keep up with events on the ground.

but if the government workers must justify their existence why put the min wage higher than where the free market says it belongs?

When I did fed or state work I made forty five to fifty an hour so I guess the federal min wage is for trash collectors and terlit plungers?

I was shocked when Biden raised it to 15 for federal workers???????? Who in their right mind is working for the federal gov and making less than 15 and hour???? A WHOLE LOT OF MINORITIES....MY FRIEND WORKED IN SSI IN TENN. SHE WAS MAKING LESS THAN 15 AFTER 30 YEARS OF SERVICE

With all due respect.... I have no degree, no education, no skills, no training, nothing. I've worked my way up without any help from anyone anywhere, and last year I was making $20/hour.

If your friends are making minimum wage, to the point that you have to praise Biden, or any other dumb politicians, for making a law that fixes their lives.....

Again, with all due respect.... that makes you stupid. Why are you wasting your life, waiting around for other people to fix your wages? What have you been doing all these years?

Get off your butt, and start moving up the income ladder.

The lady across the street from me, was babysitting out of her condo. She made over $500 per week, plus additional pay if people wanted their kids watched on the weekends. But your friends were working for minimum wage for the government? What is wrong with your friends?

Honestly, this is idiotic. You can buy a lawn mower.... a regular $50 Lawn mower, and make easily $50 to $100 PER LAWN.... for mowing lawns all summer long.

How do I know this? I know a guy that now runs a million dollar lawn care service, who started out in high school mowing lawns.

Can you push a mower? But instead you are going to waste your life away at some dumb government job, complaining that you are not making $15/hour?

See this is why people in your world are poor, and people in my world are rich. The people in your community will always be poor, as long as they sit around waiting on others, and worse than others, Government, to fix their lives.

Government will not fix your life. And long as you pretend that Biden is going to make your life better, your life will always suck, and you'll always be trying to find someone to blame, like Trump or Mitt Romney, or Bush, or whoever, for the fact your life sucks.

 

[Andylusion]

Long Beach just mandated a 4 dollar raise for grocery store owners. Two major grocery stores promptly closed leaving all employees out of a job and out of job benefits.

If they need a $7.25 minimum wage to stay in business, they deserve to close

Good. The two biggest grocery stores closed. Yaaay. The people are out of a job. The neighborhood now has to go elsewhere to shop. Meanwhile the Kroger company will not feel a thing. It's a win lose in all the right places.

If Kroger cannot operate without $7.25 wages
They deserve to fail

That's fine.... but just understand that if every business that deserves to fail, fails, then you will have mass unemployment and a great depression.

The people in Greece, said the same thing, which is why they had a minimum wage that was tied to inflation, and the result was the entire country imploded.

Guess what they did? They cut the minimum wage. Guess what happened? Unemployment in the 30% range, started to fall.

Again, you can say that, but them failing just means people are unemployed.

See you seem to be operating under the strange idea that if all the companies that can't pay $15/hour fail... then all those unemployed people will just magically find jobs that pay $15/hour. No. That's not how it works. If your labor isn't worth $15/hours, then you just stay unemployed.

You can mandate a minimum wage, sure. But you can't mandate that customers pay $15/hour for labor that isn't worth $15/hours. Thus those people just.... don't have a job.

 

[Andylusion]

But I won’t pay $15 an hour for someone to sit on my couch and watch movies while my kids sleep.

Last time I checked--babysitters are not subject to minimum wage laws--I get your point and agree whole heartedly however.

Well yes they are actually. If I opened a babysitting service, where I employed teen girls to do babysitting jobs, I would be required to pay them the minimum wage.

And that by the way, is why there are very few babysitting companies. The last one I looked up, was only available in extremely expensive areas.

 

[rightwinger]

Let’s use the Big Mac Economic Index

The Big Mac was introduced in 1969 for 49 cents. The minimum wage worker making it was paid $1.60.
He could buy 3.25 Big Macs an hour.

Today that Big Mac costs $3.99 and the minimum wage worker makes $7.25.
He can’t even afford two Big Macs an hour

3.25 Big Macs would cost $13 an hour to buy. In line with a $15 an hour wage.

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