Show Me the Country Where The MAGA/Conservative Government Works. I Dare You.

[Nostra]

Your orange god says we have to make USA great again because it is not. I agree with your god.

We only lead the world in military power and number of citizens in jail. We are doing very well in overall wealth but not in median wealth due to the income inequity. In all the key areas we are mid-tier to bad. We have a lot to improve.

All these are near the bottom of our peers:

• life expectancy
• infant mortality
• maternal mortality
• violent crime
• gun deaths
• healthcare outcomes
• health system efficiency
• child poverty
• inequality
• social mobility
• trust in institutions
• corruption perceptions
• happiness/well-being
• K–12 math/science performance

What makes the US great and why does Trump not think we are great?

Sure, Simp.

We all already know you hate America. No need to start threads announcing it, Short Bus.

 

[P@triot]

Your orange god says we have to make USA great again because it is not. I agree with your god.

Posts "no flaming". Proceeds to act like a complete and total asshole incapable of a civil discussion. He's not "orange" and he's nobody's "god", but all liberals repeat what their party tells them to, like mindless parrots.

 

[citygator]

"No"

You were already proven wrong on this. Just stop.

Not only did the President of Denmark himself correct the left-wing disinformation, but the Economic Freedom Index shows they are ranked way above the United States in economic freedom (government spending, fiscal freedom, business freedom, labor freedom, monetary freedom, trade freedom, investment freedom, and financial freedom).

They may be "social center-left" but they aren't bat-shit crazy extremists like liberals in the United States.

Denmark has:​

• a thriving private sector
• low corporate tax relative to individual income tax
• a flexible labor market (“flexicurity”)
• ease of starting businesses
• competitive exports

Right wing nuts sometimes point to these traits, but they coexist with:

• gigantic welfare state
• massive redistribution
• very strong unions
• very high taxes

The Danish model is:
Free markets + very high taxes + universal cradle-to-grave social programs.

That is textbook social democracy, not right-wing policy.

 

[P@triot]

What makes the US great and why does Trump not think we are great?

Liberalism. It's a failed and ignorant ideology that results in poverty & misery every time. You literally cannot point to a single exception.

 

[Nostra]

Denmark has:​

• a thriving private sector
• low corporate tax relative to individual income tax
• a flexible labor market (“flexicurity”)
• ease of starting businesses
• competitive exports

Right wing nuts sometimes point to these traits, but they coexist with:

• gigantic welfare state
• massive redistribution
• very strong unions
• very high taxes

The Danish model is:
Free markets + very high taxes + universal cradle-to-grave social programs.

That is textbook social democracy, not right-wing policy.

Lies.

 

[Nostra]

citygator still hasn't named a single successful socialist country.

 

[citygator]

Liberalism. It's a failed and ignorant ideology that results in poverty & misery every time. You literally cannot point to a single exception.

Nearly every successful nation is a liberal social democracy.

We are behind all these countries in the key metrics other than wealth and military power. We could learn a thing or two from them without scrapping our government.

1. Norway
Top 5 globally in happiness, wealth per capita, education, social mobility
Universal healthcare + generous welfare state
High social trust + low corruption
Blended capitalist economy with strong regulations and public ownership of key resources (oil fund)

2. Denmark
Often #1 in “opportunity,” equality, trust, and corruption-free governance
Top-tier education outcomes
High worker productivity
Strong welfare state + flexible labor market (“flexicurity”)

3. Finland
Usually #1 in global happiness
Elite education system (top 5 globally)
Universal healthcare, robust safety nets
High trust, low crime, strong institutions

4. Sweden
High per-capita income, high innovation
Universal healthcare, free higher education
Strong social mobility
Pro-market economy paired with high taxation and social protection

5. Iceland
Top 5 in happiness, safety, and equality
Strong social cohesion and very low corruption
Universal healthcare + strong worker protections

6. Netherlands
Top 10 globally in wealth, health, education, freedom
Highly productive economy and strong social safety net
Progressive but stable political system

7. Canada
Highly ranked for freedom, education, immigration outcomes
Universal healthcare
High quality of life and social mobility
High per-capita wealth and extremely diverse, peaceful society

8. Switzerland (Centrist social democracy with unique quirks)
Top 3 in wealth per capita
Very high education and innovation
Hybrid model: market-oriented economy + mandatory healthcare + strong social insurance
High trust and low crime

9. Germany
Strong manufacturing & export economy
Universal healthcare
Powerful vocational training system
High social mobility and strong labor protections

10. New Zealand
High rankings in freedom, quality of government, and social trust
Universal healthcare
Progressive social protections + competitive market environment

11. Australia
High per-capita wealth
Universal coverage via Medicare
High immigration + strong educational attainment
Very safe and stable democracy

12. Austria
Strong universal healthcare and education
High social mobility
Very low poverty
Strong economy and worker protections

13. Belgium
Strong healthcare system
High GDP per capita
Highly educated population
Robust welfare state

14. France
Elite healthcare system ranked among world’s best
Longest life expectancy in EU
High productivity

 

[citygator]

Lies.

What lie?

 

[citygator]

citygator still hasn't named a single successful socialist country.

Ive listed a whole bunch of liberal social democracies which is the ideal government if you are judging based on outcomes.

 

[Pastelli]

"Hondo 50" SP account:

So first..

NOVEMBER/2025 HAS BEEN A BUSY MONTH IN THE INFAMOUS TROVE OF SP ACCOUNTS TROLL​

Among (pro Islamofascism) (ex) Hondo 50 usernames:

(Some are removed already. Large fonts are recently active. Sometimes one backing each other...).

• Dean F (with Hitler worshipping Aug 18, 2024), is also:
• yeh (Aug 29. 2024. Previously with a photo of his Adolf Hitler as an avatar. Here under "yeh" denies the Holocaust).
• todd down under (Here he tries 2 accounts to talk to each other) (Sep 15, 2024);
• Hondo 50 (Sep 18, 2024);
• lech (Oct 13, 2024);
  
  
  log cabin republican (Aug 4, 2024)
  
  ;
• roderick (Aug 10, 2024);
• annalise (Dec 8. 2024);
• Davebb (Jan 11, 2025) and
• No Way (Jan 26, 2025).
• S.S. another hint in liking the Nazis, (Feb 6, 2025).
• stockhome (Feb 11, 2025)
• john finally retired (Apr 10, 2025);
• apolitical (Apr 13, 2025);
• stevez (Apr 14, 2025).
• Topeka (Apr 22, 2025) created only to defend his exposed other accounts)
• notyankee (July 29, 2025) (Defends his Muhammad, and Glorifies Hitler via invented "theories").
• Maj (Aug 1, 2025) [posing as a "jew"]
• charlottebronte666 (Aug 13, 2025) [defending his Islam and belittles the holocaust (like using the label "auschwitz" on genocidal Hamas' Gaza human shield regime) via "pro palestine"]
  
  
  Kyzina (Aug 20, 2025)
  
• john u (Sep 7, 2025);
  
  
  x chicago (Sep 5, 2025);
  
  cowboy fan (Sep 12, 2025)
  
  
  he just circle K (Sep 12, 2025)
  
• lith leo (Sep 16, 2025)
• gold something (Sep 16, 2025) [posing as a "jew"]
• mex tex (Sep 18, 2025) [borrowing a "Mexican" pretense].
  
  
  Soul musician (Sep 20, 2025)
  
  
  
  the london fog (Oct 1, 2025)
  
  kc48 (Oct 23, 2025)
  
  stan ford 4 (Oct 25, 2025)
  
  
• Moro maquina (Oct 25, 2025)
  
  
  Mac allen (Oct 26, 2025)
  
  golden nuggets (Nov 4, 2025)
  
  
  devilish ray marsh (Nov 6, 2025).
  
  
  cascades (Nov 10, 2025)
  
  
  rover says its chilly (Nov 22, 2025)
  

Latest trick, this dozens of SP troll : he tries projection. The giveaway. Even via his very new accounts he tries to link the same one with another person.

 

[P@triot]

Denmark has:​

• a thriving private sector
• low corporate tax relative to individual income tax
• a flexible labor market (“flexicurity”)
• ease of starting businesses
• competitive exports

Right wing nuts sometimes point to these traits, but they coexist with:

• gigantic welfare state
• massive redistribution
• very strong unions
• very high taxes

The Danish model is:
Free markets + very high taxes + universal cradle-to-grave social programs.

That is textbook social democracy, not right-wing policy.

They all have low corporate taxes, less environmental regulations, less labor regulations, less business regulations (ie as you stated - ease of starting a business), and infinitely more freedom in investments, etc. That's vintage "MAGA" right there.

Furthermore, the United States also has a gigantic welfare state (welfare, Social Security, SNAP, WIC, housing, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and a shit-ton more - all of which is killing us). If that's not enough for you, then you have some serious issues.

Further still, those other nations aren't throwing trillions of dollars in "aid" to other nations because they aren't bat-shit crazy extremists like liberals in the U.S. And even further still, those other nations aren't spending $800 billion per year on defense because they know the United States protects them.

Like all on the left, you're not willing to have an honest conversation about policy.

 

[P@triot]

Ive listed a whole bunch of liberal social democracies which is the ideal government if you are judging based on outcomes.

Then how do you explain that all of them rank considerably higher in economic freedom (ie MAGA conservative policy) than the United States?

Explain it to all of us like we're 5.

 

[P@triot]

We are behind all these countries in the key metrics other than wealth and military power. We could learn a thing or two from them without scrapping our government.

I agree with you 100%. What we could learn is to not tolerate the bat-shit crazy extremism of Democrats in the United States.

Don't allow Democrats in public office, where they throw trillions of dollars around in "USAID" to launder most of it back to their own bank accounts. Eliminate the waste, fraud, and abuse in government created by Democrats.

 

[citygator]

They all have low corporate taxes, less environmental regulations, less labor regulations, less business regulations (ie as you stated - ease of starting a business), and infinitely more freedom in investments, etc. That's vintage "MAGA" right there.

Furthermore, the United States also has a gigantic welfare state (welfare, Social Security, SNAP, WIC, housing, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and a shit-ton more - all of which is killing us). If that's not enough for you, then you have some serious issues.

Further still, those other nations aren't throwing trillions of dollars in "aid" to other nations because they aren't bat-shit crazy extremists like liberals in the U.S. And even further still, those other nations aren't spending $800 billion per year on defense because they know the United States protects them.

Like all on the left, you're not willing to have an honest conversation about policy.

Quit being an asshole. This is an honest discussion.

You left out that the top tax rate is 55%. They have cradle to grave social welfare the 55% is paying for. They have universal healthcare. They have universal childcare. They have no cost college or low cost. They have universal parental leave. They are 80-90% unionized.


Nothing about that model is what the Right Wing is pushing.

 

[SweetTea]

We only lead the world in military power and number of citizens in jail. We are doing very well in overall wealth but not in median wealth due to the income inequity. Key areas we are mid-tier to bad. We have a lot to improve.

All these are near the bottom of our peers:

• life expectancy
• infant mortality
• maternal mortality
• violent crime
• gun deaths
• healthcare outcomes
• health system efficiency
• child poverty
• inequality
• social mobility
• trust in institutions
• corruption perceptions
• happiness/well-being
• K–12 math/science performance

Our disposable income per capita for lower, middle class and upper classes is 2nd in the world behind Luxembourg. We are doing very well in terms of median wealth. You are misinformed.

We have plenty we can improve on, but not as much as most other countries.

 

[citygator]

I agree with you 100%. What we could learn is to not tolerate the bat-shit crazy extremism of Democrats in the United States.

Don't allow Democrats in public office, where they throw trillions of dollars around in "USAID" to launder most of it back to their own bank accounts. Eliminate the waste, fraud, and abuse in government created by Democrats.

You cant back up your point of view so you are name calling and insulting. It’s silly. Everyone see’s you struggling.

 

[citygator]

Our disposable income per capita for lower, middle class and upper classes is 2nd in the world behind Luxembourg. We are doing very well in terms of median wealth. You are misinformed.

We have plenty we can improve on, but not as much as most other countries.

NO. You used average, NOT median.

The U.S. ranks high in mean (average) not median.​

…but that’s because:

• incomes at the top are extremely high
• income inequality is extreme
• the wealthy pull the average up

For true median income (OECD data shows median disposable income with link at the bottom):​

• Luxembourg — high
• Switzerland — high
• Nordics — high
• Netherlands — high
• Australia — high
• Canada — high
• Germany — high
• UK — mid-high
• U.S. — middle of the pack

Why?
Because median Americans face:

• high healthcare costs
• high childcare costs
• high housing costs
• high student debt
• much lower social transfers

Median Americans keep far less of what they earn compared to citizens of social democracies.

https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/household-disposable-income.html

 

[SweetTea]

Quit being an asshole. This is an honest discussion.

You left out that the top tax rate is 55%. They have cradle to grave social welfare the 55% is paying for. They have universal healthcare. They have universal childcare. They have no cost college or low cost. They have universal parental leave. They are 80-90% unionized.


Nothing about that model is what the Right Wing is pushing.

If you are so keen on paying so much, just include it in your taxes. I am sure they will gladly except your money.

The reality is that you and others like you talk a big game, but if it came down to you having to lose your beach house, you wouldn't be quite so generous. The same goes for the very wealthy. They only talk big because they can still buy the yacht. If taxes were punitive to a point where their lifestyle suffered, they would change their tune very quickly. We have already seen evidence of this from those whining about the 10k cap on the SALT deduction that had to be raised to 40k in the Big Beautiful Bill due to wealthy Democrats complaining.

 

[Meister]

Liberal democracies have dozens of successful examples. But I am interested in what nations implement the right wing dream of government that Trump's policies desire to implement. Where in the world can we look for successful implementation of right wing principles of government? Surely someone must have examples of these policies working.

Just for thought starters I pulled the rankings of key metrics of success for countries. Surprisingly they are replete with liberal democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high social trust..

Please keep the flame wars to a minimum. Just looking for a discussion on where the right wing is killing it in success world wide.

Happiest Countries in the World: Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Finland
Healthiest Countries in the World: Spain, Italy, Iceland, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, Norway
Richest Countries in the World: Ireland, Norway, Switzerland, US, some small countries
Most Educated Countries in the World: Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Canada
Most Free Countries in the World: Switzerland, New Zealand, Denmark, Ireland, Finland, Australia, Sweden, Iceland.
Most Opportunity Countries in the World: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

GO!

Any idea what the taxes and VAT's with your utopian countries are?
How about choice of healthcare?
What's the populations of your Utopian countries?

 

[citygator]

If you are so keen on paying so much, just include it in your taxes. I am sure they will gladly except your money.

The reality is that you and others like you talk a big game, but if it came down to you having to lose your beach house, you wouldn't be quite so generous. The same goes for the very wealthy. They only talk big because they can still buy the yacht. If taxes were punitive to a point where their lifestyle suffered, they would change their tune very quickly. We have already seen evidence of this from those whining about the 10k cap on the SALT deduction that had to be raised to 40k in the Big Beautiful Bill due to wealthy Democrats complaining.

Deflection. Denmark is no example of right wing governance in place and you guys still cant point to a successful implementation of right wing policies at the national level.

Voluntary taxes is a weak ass attack. You are correct though. No one is paying more taxes than they have to which is why we have a government to monitor compliance.