Zone1 Should you have to pay taxes to be able to vote?

[Dante]

The military wants young people because they are immature, inexperienced, idealistic, and malleable. The same reason political parties want them.

you left out malleable and easier to train,,

doesnt changed that they are forced to fight and die for their country,,

I included malleable.

Myths.

Young males have always been the troops. wtf would want an Army of...

never mind

 

[Picaro]

The civics and literacy tests are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

No they aren't; they weren't made permanent until Richard Nixon's Presidency;LBJ put sunset clauses in the Voting Rights Acts that then expired under Nixon's first term. It was an Act, not a Constitutional Amendment.

 

[Picaro]

Most military never see a war, so it's a moot point.

 

[Picaro]

The military wants young people because they are immature, inexperienced, idealistic, and malleable. The same reason political parties want them.

They lowered the draft age from 21 to 18 for some reason, in the 1960's. Average age for soldiers in WW II was 26; in Viet Nam it was 22. 98% of Viet Nam soldiers came home alive. 2/3's sent over were volunteers, not draftees.

 

[0311]

It’s not a bad idea to flirt with IMO

It’s easy to spend other people’s money, and it’s easy to vote to only get things from the state and not give anything.

It’s easy to vote recklessly if one has no skin in the game.

It’s like 2 parents and 3 kids in a family, and all get a vote. The kids vote for toys, food, vacations, etc while the parents vote for paying the mortgage and saving for retirement. Under this system the family will become homeless and broke.

No, but that has Reich Wing Talking Point for a while. Just property should the only people allowed vote. I own my home free and clear.

 

[Care4all]

No they aren't; they weren't made permanent until Richard Nixon's Presidency;LBJ put sunset clauses in the Voting Rights Acts that then expired under Nixon's first term. It was an Act, not a Constitutional Amendment.

Things like literacy tests were put in by some southern states prior to the civil rights act, that were determined to be unconstitutional by the supreme court because they were created and designed to disenfranchise black voters.

Literacy Tests Are Ruled Unconstitutional​

1949​

Although literacy tests for voting apply to both blacks and whites, they exclude more African Americans from registration because of poor education and discriminatory administration that require African American applicants to pass more difficult tests.

The U.S. Supreme Court in Davis v. Schnell hold Alabama’s literacy test unconstitutional as it is clearly intended to deny the vote to African Americans and thus violates the Fifteenth Amendment.

 

[Picaro]

Things like literacy tests were put in by some southern states prior to the civil rights act, that were determined to be unconstitutional by the supreme court because they were created and designed to disenfranchise black voters.

Literacy Tests Are Ruled Unconstitutional​

1949​

Although literacy tests for voting apply to both blacks and whites, they exclude more African Americans from registration because of poor education and discriminatory administration that require African American applicants to pass more difficult tests.

The U.S. Supreme Court in Davis v. Schnell hold Alabama’s literacy test unconstitutional as it is clearly intended to deny the vote to African Americans and thus violates the Fifteenth Amendment.

Still wrong. The Court ruled Alabama's enforcement of the literacy test was a violation of the 15th Amendment. Many states still had them until well into the 1960's. LBJ's voting rights act temporarily suspended them for a few years. California, New York, and many other states got to keep enforcing them while they were suspended in seven states, most in the South but also Alaska and Arizona.

About Section 5 Of The Voting Rights Act

www.justice.gov

"The Shelby County decision​

On June 25, 2013, the United States Supreme Court held that it is unconstitutional to use the coverage formula in Section 4(b) of the Voting Rights Act to determine which jurisdictions are subject to the preclearance requirement of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, Shelby County v. Holder, 570 U.S. 529 (2013). The Supreme Court did not rule on the constitutionality of Section 5 itself. The effect of the Shelby County decision is that the jurisdictions identified by the coverage formula in Section 4(b) no longer need to seek preclearance for the new voting changes, unless they are covered by a separate court order entered under Section 3(c) of the Voting Rights Act.

Coverage Under the Special Provisions of the Voting Rights Act​

Section 5

was enacted to freeze changes in election practices or procedures in covered jurisdictions until the new procedures have been determined, either after administrative review by the Attorney General, or after a lawsuit before the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, to have neither discriminatory purpose or effect. Section 5 was designed to ensure that voting changes in covered jurisdictions could not be implemented used until a favorable determination has been obtained.


The requirement was enacted in 1965 as temporary legislation, to expire in five years, and applicable only to certain states. The specially covered jurisdictions were identified in Section 4 by a formula. The first element in the formula was that the state or political subdivision of the state maintained on November 1, 1964, a "test or device," restricting the opportunity to register and vote. The second element of the formula would be satisfied if the Director of the Census determined that less than 50 percent of persons of voting age were registered to vote on November 1, 1964, or that less than 50 percent of persons of voting age voted in the presidential election of November 1964. Application of this formula resulted in the following states becoming, in their entirety, "covered jurisdictions": Alabama, Alaska, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Virginia, In addition, certain political subdivisions (usually counties) in four other states (Arizona, Hawaii, Idaho, and North Carolina were covered. It also provided a procedure to terminate this coverage."


The 15th Amendment doesn't ban literacy tests or civics tests. What was ruled unconstitutional was the unequal enforcement of the requirements for voting in Alabama, not literacy tests per se.

The best book on the Civil Rights era is Hugh Davis Graham's. A must have for any interested in the history of the era.

The Civil Rights Era

The civil rights era conjures up a wide range of dramatic images--sit-ins at segregated diners, burning churches, the massive march on Washington, police dogs and firehoses turned on protesters, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., lying dead from an assassin's bullet. But off the streets another...

books.google.com

 

[candycorn]

It’s not a bad idea to flirt with IMO

It’s easy to spend other people’s money, and it’s easy to vote to only get things from the state and not give anything.

It’s easy to vote recklessly if one has no skin in the game.

It’s like 2 parents and 3 kids in a family, and all get a vote. The kids vote for toys, food, vacations, etc while the parents vote for paying the mortgage and saving for retirement. Under this system the family will become homeless and broke.

no

 

[candycorn]

It would quickly turn into..."I pay more taxes so I should have a bigger say" game.

The topic is old, tired, and settled.

 

[elektra]

There was reason why only male landowners could vote at one time.

My first thought. Great post

 

[elektra]

Why do your friends want to suppress the vote?

Did you vote for the democrat presidential nominee. NO! First time in our history that the democrats did not allow a vote for the presidential nominee.

Democrats threw out the vote and then accuse republicans of what the just did.

Democrats are busy trying to keep Trump off the ballot so nobody can vote for Trump.

Democrats were trying to keep RFK jr off the ballot as well

Democrats politicians are not allowing democrats to vote.

 

[Moonglow]

It use to be that you had to have skin in the game to be able to vote... and there was nothing wrong with that concept...

When was that?

 

[Moonglow]

You people do understand that everyone pays taxes?

 

[Moonglow]

The primary system did not become fully utilized until after WWII even though it started in 1912 before the party convention elected candidates, and before that Electoral College members voted in their position by representatives elected the president and vice president.

 

[Moonglow]

Did you vote for the democrat presidential nominee. NO! First time in our history that the democrats did not allow a vote for the presidential nominee.

Democrats threw out the vote and then accuse republicans of what the just did.

Democrats are busy trying to keep Trump off the ballot so nobody can vote for Trump.

Democrats were trying to keep RFK jr off the ballot as well

Democrats politicians are not allowing democrats to vote.

Untrue.

 

[elektra]

Untrue.

AMEN brother, I believe

 

[Care4all]

Did you vote for the democrat presidential nominee. NO! First time in our history that the democrats did not allow a vote for the presidential nominee.

No one ran against Biden in the Primary, so I didn't vote....we were encouraged to go out and vote for him anyway....even though he was the only candidate choice, to show our support for him....some people did for that reason, but I didn't find it necessary.

Biden dropping out after his poor debate performance, only gave 3 weeks to the convention which was not enough time to run a primary....the only option without a primary, was Biden's vice president, the second in charge, the person also on his ticket....

And surprising to near everyone, she is kicking ass and doing great for someone to be just thrown in to this race....!!! I for one am surprised! And quite pleased she is giving it (this challenge) her all!

 

[elektra]

No one ran against Biden in the Primary, so I didn't vote....we were encouraged to go out and vote for him anyway....even though he was the only candidate choice, to show our support for him....some people did for that reason, but I didn't find it necessary.

Biden dropping out after his poor debate performance, only gave 3 weeks to the convention which was not enough time to run a primary....the only option without a primary, was Biden's vice president, the second in charge, the person also on his ticket....

And surprising to near everyone, she is kicking ass and doing great for someone to be just thrown in to this race....!!! I for one am surprised! And quite pleased she is giving it (this challenge) her all!

AMEN, I believe sista

 

[Slyhunter]

You people do understand that everyone pays taxes?

Not everyone pays more in income taxes, that goes to the Federal budget, then they get back.
You shouldn't get a vote unless you have skin in the game.

 

[Moonglow]

Not everyone pays more in income taxes, that goes to the Federal budget, then they get back.
You shouldn't get a vote unless you have skin in the game.

What a lovely communist ye be.