CDZ Should we require criminal background checks before people can vote in elections?

[Montrovant]

Even assuming your argument is accurate, there is a big difference between the two things: voting is time-restricted.

So.....you just make the person get the background check 24 hours before they vote......or 72 hours like they do to buy a gun.......

Because of the timing issue, background checks would be more of a burden for voting. That would make the idea harder to pass legal muster, I would imagine.

And the woman who was waiting for her concealed carry permit in New Jersey who was stabbed to death on her driveway by her husband....with the restraining order already against him......that was a timing issue too.....

I figured that sort of example might come up. Here's the difference: Every election has a very specific time limit. Every gun purchase does not. Not only could that make it difficult for someone to vote, because elections happen at a specific time, it's likely that a large amount of people would try getting their background checks at about the same time, which could strain or break the system.

The two situations are different enough that the comparison doesn't quite work.

It does work......anti-gunners want to increase the time police departments have to get background checks done.....it will get to the point where they can take as long as they want.

Gun buyers are not all forced to buy their guns within a very short time frame. I'm sorry, but that makes the comparison fail.

 

[Vastator]

In most states it is against the law for felons to vote. So...according to the policies of the democrat party, who want gun control background checks before the exercise of the 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms to make sure that felons don't buy guns.......should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?

Again, in most states, felons can't vote...so a background check is necessary to make sure they don't vote...dittos illegal aliens, who are essentially breaking the law by being in the country illegally.

As the anti-gunners tell us.....background checks don't keep people from buying guns, so what is the big deal....so what would be the big deal if background checks were required to vote?

Considering the damage votes can do to a country, it is just common sense...right?

Nope. Simply not allowing someone to vote, or buy a gun while incarcerated is more than sufficient. When ones time has been served they should be welcomed back into the fold fully.

 

[2aguy]

So.....you just make the person get the background check 24 hours before they vote......or 72 hours like they do to buy a gun.......

Because of the timing issue, background checks would be more of a burden for voting. That would make the idea harder to pass legal muster, I would imagine.

And the woman who was waiting for her concealed carry permit in New Jersey who was stabbed to death on her driveway by her husband....with the restraining order already against him......that was a timing issue too.....

I figured that sort of example might come up. Here's the difference: Every election has a very specific time limit. Every gun purchase does not. Not only could that make it difficult for someone to vote, because elections happen at a specific time, it's likely that a large amount of people would try getting their background checks at about the same time, which could strain or break the system.

The two situations are different enough that the comparison doesn't quite work.

It does work......anti-gunners want to increase the time police departments have to get background checks done.....it will get to the point where they can take as long as they want.

Gun buyers are not all forced to buy their guns within a very short time frame. I'm sorry, but that makes the comparison fail.

No, it doesn't....voting and gun ownership are both Civil Rights......delaying, arbitrarily, access to a Right is unConstitutional......

 

[sparky]

adjudicated dangerously mentally ill

it ain't workin'.....

~S~

 

[Damaged Eagle]

In most states it is against the law for felons to vote. So...according to the policies of the democrat party, who want gun control background checks before the exercise of the 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms to make sure that felons don't buy guns.......should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?

Again, in most states, felons can't vote...so a background check is necessary to make sure they don't vote...dittos illegal aliens, who are essentially breaking the law by being in the country illegally.

As the anti-gunners tell us.....background checks don't keep people from buying guns, so what is the big deal....so what would be the big deal if background checks were required to vote?

Considering the damage votes can do to a country, it is just common sense...right?

I don't know where you're from but I registered to vote and they keep a list of eligible voters they check when I go to vote. Seems reasonable and doesn't interfere with my right to vote. So what's the problem with gun registration again?

Nothing but Democrat socialist communist type thinking found in your words spoken here, where as the Democrat way is to punish all of society for the bad actions of other's. Everyone must get a trophy or be accepted even when being bad, and if not, then just bring all of society down into the frey with'em just to make it fair. How sick is this bullcrap way of thinking ?

Do you think we need speed limits on our roads or can everyone be trusted to drive responsibly?

The trouble with your type of thinking is that you are essentially waiting for someone to act irresponsibly before reacting. This means innocent people will be harmed before any action it taken. As my sainted mother used to say, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

I see... Then you condon profiling and we can get rid of those anti-profiling laws our LEO's have to follow.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[alang1216]

I see... Then you condon profiling and we can get rid of those anti-profiling laws our LEO's have to follow.

I absolutely condone profiling. I'd consider a profile of anyone with a criminal record, a restraining order, etc.

 

[Blues Man]

In most states it is against the law for felons to vote. So...according to the policies of the democrat party, who want gun control background checks before the exercise of the 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms to make sure that felons don't buy guns.......should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?

Again, in most states, felons can't vote...so a background check is necessary to make sure they don't vote...dittos illegal aliens, who are essentially breaking the law by being in the country illegally.

As the anti-gunners tell us.....background checks don't keep people from buying guns, so what is the big deal....so what would be the big deal if background checks were required to vote?

Considering the damage votes can do to a country, it is just common sense...right?

I don't know where you're from but I registered to vote and they keep a list of eligible voters they check when I go to vote. Seems reasonable and doesn't interfere with my right to vote. So what's the problem with gun registration again?

So you think they actually did a criminal background check?

If you didn't sign a form saying you authorize a criminal background check then you didn't have one done.

All the town want is a record of the addresses of the voters

 

[alang1216]

In most states it is against the law for felons to vote. So...according to the policies of the democrat party, who want gun control background checks before the exercise of the 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms to make sure that felons don't buy guns.......should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?

Again, in most states, felons can't vote...so a background check is necessary to make sure they don't vote...dittos illegal aliens, who are essentially breaking the law by being in the country illegally.

As the anti-gunners tell us.....background checks don't keep people from buying guns, so what is the big deal....so what would be the big deal if background checks were required to vote?

Considering the damage votes can do to a country, it is just common sense...right?

I don't know where you're from but I registered to vote and they keep a list of eligible voters they check when I go to vote. Seems reasonable and doesn't interfere with my right to vote. So what's the problem with gun registration again?

So you think they actually did a criminal background check?

If you didn't sign a form saying you authorize a criminal background check then you didn't have one done.

All the town want is a record of the addresses of the voters

Never said they did, never thought they did, never thought they should.

 

[Blues Man]

In most states it is against the law for felons to vote. So...according to the policies of the democrat party, who want gun control background checks before the exercise of the 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms to make sure that felons don't buy guns.......should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?

Again, in most states, felons can't vote...so a background check is necessary to make sure they don't vote...dittos illegal aliens, who are essentially breaking the law by being in the country illegally.

As the anti-gunners tell us.....background checks don't keep people from buying guns, so what is the big deal....so what would be the big deal if background checks were required to vote?

Considering the damage votes can do to a country, it is just common sense...right?

I don't know where you're from but I registered to vote and they keep a list of eligible voters they check when I go to vote. Seems reasonable and doesn't interfere with my right to vote. So what's the problem with gun registration again?

So you think they actually did a criminal background check?

If you didn't sign a form saying you authorize a criminal background check then you didn't have one done.

All the town want is a record of the addresses of the voters

Never said they did, never thought they did, never thought they should.

You can't equate voter registration with a background check which is what you did

 

[alang1216]

In most states it is against the law for felons to vote. So...according to the policies of the democrat party, who want gun control background checks before the exercise of the 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms to make sure that felons don't buy guns.......should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?

Again, in most states, felons can't vote...so a background check is necessary to make sure they don't vote...dittos illegal aliens, who are essentially breaking the law by being in the country illegally.

As the anti-gunners tell us.....background checks don't keep people from buying guns, so what is the big deal....so what would be the big deal if background checks were required to vote?

Considering the damage votes can do to a country, it is just common sense...right?

I don't know where you're from but I registered to vote and they keep a list of eligible voters they check when I go to vote. Seems reasonable and doesn't interfere with my right to vote. So what's the problem with gun registration again?

So you think they actually did a criminal background check?

If you didn't sign a form saying you authorize a criminal background check then you didn't have one done.

All the town want is a record of the addresses of the voters

Never said they did, never thought they did, never thought they should.

You can't equate voter registration with a background check which is what you did

You need to take that complaint up with Mr. 2aguy. It was he who wrote: "should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?"

 

[Blues Man]

In most states it is against the law for felons to vote. So...according to the policies of the democrat party, who want gun control background checks before the exercise of the 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms to make sure that felons don't buy guns.......should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?

Again, in most states, felons can't vote...so a background check is necessary to make sure they don't vote...dittos illegal aliens, who are essentially breaking the law by being in the country illegally.

As the anti-gunners tell us.....background checks don't keep people from buying guns, so what is the big deal....so what would be the big deal if background checks were required to vote?

Considering the damage votes can do to a country, it is just common sense...right?

I don't know where you're from but I registered to vote and they keep a list of eligible voters they check when I go to vote. Seems reasonable and doesn't interfere with my right to vote. So what's the problem with gun registration again?

So you think they actually did a criminal background check?

If you didn't sign a form saying you authorize a criminal background check then you didn't have one done.

All the town want is a record of the addresses of the voters

Never said they did, never thought they did, never thought they should.

You can't equate voter registration with a background check which is what you did

You need to take that complaint up with Mr. 2aguy. It was he who wrote: "should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?"

If the state they live in does not allow felons to vote then yes all people who want to vote should be subject to a background check

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[2aguy]

I don't know where you're from but I registered to vote and they keep a list of eligible voters they check when I go to vote. Seems reasonable and doesn't interfere with my right to vote. So what's the problem with gun registration again?

So you think they actually did a criminal background check?

If you didn't sign a form saying you authorize a criminal background check then you didn't have one done.

All the town want is a record of the addresses of the voters

Never said they did, never thought they did, never thought they should.

You can't equate voter registration with a background check which is what you did

You need to take that complaint up with Mr. 2aguy. It was he who wrote: "should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?"

If the state they live in does not allow felons to vote then yes all people who want to vote should be subject to a background check

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If we have to go through a background check on one Right, then all other Rights become subject to that background check...

 

[alang1216]

So you think they actually did a criminal background check?

If you didn't sign a form saying you authorize a criminal background check then you didn't have one done.

All the town want is a record of the addresses of the voters

Never said they did, never thought they did, never thought they should.

You can't equate voter registration with a background check which is what you did

You need to take that complaint up with Mr. 2aguy. It was he who wrote: "should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?"

If the state they live in does not allow felons to vote then yes all people who want to vote should be subject to a background check

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If we have to go through a background check on one Right, then all other Rights become subject to that background check...

That is you speaking. My position was that if it is agreed that voters should have a criminal background check it only makes sense to do it when they first register to vote. Their status should be maintained in a database and that database checked when they actually vote. If they are convicted of a crime or do something else (e.g., move) that info is then placed in the database. That is essentially how voter registration is handled in my state and it doesn't seem like an excessively burdensome system to me. It should work equally well for guns.

 

[2aguy]

Never said they did, never thought they did, never thought they should.

You can't equate voter registration with a background check which is what you did

You need to take that complaint up with Mr. 2aguy. It was he who wrote: "should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?"

If the state they live in does not allow felons to vote then yes all people who want to vote should be subject to a background check

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If we have to go through a background check on one Right, then all other Rights become subject to that background check...

That is you speaking. My position was that if it is agreed that voters should have a criminal background check it only makes sense to do it when they first register to vote. Their status should be maintained in a database and that database checked when they actually vote. If they are convicted of a crime or do something else (e.g., move) that info is then placed in the database. That is essentially how voter registration is handled in my state and it doesn't seem like an excessively burdensome system to me. It should work equally well for guns.

Sorry...as I pointed out with Illinois.....you have to go through a background check to get a Firearm Owners identification Card, and another one to get a concealed carry permit.......then, when you actually go and buy a gun, you still have to get a background check.

Thus.....what is good for one Right is good for the others....72 hours before you vote, you must get a criminal background check to make sure your status has not changed.

 

[alang1216]

You can't equate voter registration with a background check which is what you did

You need to take that complaint up with Mr. 2aguy. It was he who wrote: "should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?"

If the state they live in does not allow felons to vote then yes all people who want to vote should be subject to a background check

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If we have to go through a background check on one Right, then all other Rights become subject to that background check...

That is you speaking. My position was that if it is agreed that voters should have a criminal background check it only makes sense to do it when they first register to vote. Their status should be maintained in a database and that database checked when they actually vote. If they are convicted of a crime or do something else (e.g., move) that info is then placed in the database. That is essentially how voter registration is handled in my state and it doesn't seem like an excessively burdensome system to me. It should work equally well for guns.

Sorry...as I pointed out with Illinois.....you have to go through a background check to get a Firearm Owners identification Card, and another one to get a concealed carry permit.......then, when you actually go and buy a gun, you still have to get a background check.

Thus.....what is good for one Right is good for the others....72 hours before you vote, you must get a criminal background check to make sure your status has not changed.

self-inflicted wound. if there were a state or national gun registry database you wouldn't need a check every time you want a gun.

 

[2aguy]

You need to take that complaint up with Mr. 2aguy. It was he who wrote: "should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?"

If the state they live in does not allow felons to vote then yes all people who want to vote should be subject to a background check

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If we have to go through a background check on one Right, then all other Rights become subject to that background check...

That is you speaking. My position was that if it is agreed that voters should have a criminal background check it only makes sense to do it when they first register to vote. Their status should be maintained in a database and that database checked when they actually vote. If they are convicted of a crime or do something else (e.g., move) that info is then placed in the database. That is essentially how voter registration is handled in my state and it doesn't seem like an excessively burdensome system to me. It should work equally well for guns.

Sorry...as I pointed out with Illinois.....you have to go through a background check to get a Firearm Owners identification Card, and another one to get a concealed carry permit.......then, when you actually go and buy a gun, you still have to get a background check.

Thus.....what is good for one Right is good for the others....72 hours before you vote, you must get a criminal background check to make sure your status has not changed.

self-inflicted wound. if there were a state or national gun registry database you wouldn't need a check every time you want a gun.

Yes....you would. And that is the key, isn't it....you guys want a gun registry......and we know why. From history, gun registration precedes gun confiscation.

 

[Montrovant]

Because of the timing issue, background checks would be more of a burden for voting. That would make the idea harder to pass legal muster, I would imagine.

And the woman who was waiting for her concealed carry permit in New Jersey who was stabbed to death on her driveway by her husband....with the restraining order already against him......that was a timing issue too.....

I figured that sort of example might come up. Here's the difference: Every election has a very specific time limit. Every gun purchase does not. Not only could that make it difficult for someone to vote, because elections happen at a specific time, it's likely that a large amount of people would try getting their background checks at about the same time, which could strain or break the system.

The two situations are different enough that the comparison doesn't quite work.

It does work......anti-gunners want to increase the time police departments have to get background checks done.....it will get to the point where they can take as long as they want.

Gun buyers are not all forced to buy their guns within a very short time frame. I'm sorry, but that makes the comparison fail.

No, it doesn't....voting and gun ownership are both Civil Rights......delaying, arbitrarily, access to a Right is unConstitutional......

That's not the comparison you started with. I'm talking about the background check idea you started this thread with.

 

[Picaro]

Don't have a problem with requiring criminal background checks for voting. We should also require literacy and civics tests as well. I can live with over 75% of Democrats suddenly becoming ineligible to vote.

 

[Montrovant]

Don't have a problem with requiring criminal background checks for voting. We should also require literacy and civics tests as well. I can live with over 75% of Democrats suddenly becoming ineligible to vote.

I'm confident it wouldn't just be Democrats that would suddenly become ineligible.

 

[Blues Man]

So you think they actually did a criminal background check?

If you didn't sign a form saying you authorize a criminal background check then you didn't have one done.

All the town want is a record of the addresses of the voters

Never said they did, never thought they did, never thought they should.

You can't equate voter registration with a background check which is what you did

You need to take that complaint up with Mr. 2aguy. It was he who wrote: "should we require that all citizens who want to vote pass a criminal background check before they vote in each election?"

If the state they live in does not allow felons to vote then yes all people who want to vote should be subject to a background check

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If we have to go through a background check on one Right, then all other Rights become subject to that background check...

Only if in a state where felons are not allowed to vote

If it's not against the law then no check is needed

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