Should we be on the Hook for Failed Liberal Cities and States?

[gallantwarrior]

So, does the same go for drought stricken states? Since the states did not have enough in their "rainy day" funds (no pun intended) to cover the losses, should the Federal government be off the hook? Boehner doesn't seem to think so?

Hell yes it does. If farmers (more likely farming corporations) failed to buy crop insurance, that is NOT the fault of citizens in other states.

A lack of proper planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

Besides, we've dealt with drought stricken states in the past, where 'we the people' proved far more effective in helping than the central planners.

Fair enough. In the case of the floods in TN last year, should FEMA has stepped in? How about New Orleans? In each case, those locales should have planned better, right?

What part of "hell, yes" don't you understand?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Absolutely not.

Just because we are called The United States and just because we SAY these words

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Doesn't mean we are.

Don't believe it?

Just read the rw's on this board.

The pledge of allegiance was written by a socialist named Francis Bellamy. Under god was added many years later. He knew the docturine of federalism would undermine socialism, whereas states with socialist programs could not thrive in the free market with nonwelfare states. That's just my assessment. But the guy was a socialist. There is no doubt in that.

Years later, the 17th amendment came in to play and the states would no longer play a role in treaties, supreme court nominations, &c and the voice/power of the states were permanently deminished in the federal government. Which is why the 10th Amendment means nothing today. Now liberals in congress come up with a welfare scheme but cant constitutionally force the states to comply. So they tax their citizens, tie conditions on their money and say "we will give your money back to you if you implement our welfare program and pay for a percentage of the program."

If it weren't for the 17th amendment there would be no new deal, no great society, no obamacare, and certainly no liberal justices (as we know them today) on the supreme court.

Well,okay ... If you want to scrap the Pledge of Allegiance (UPPER CASE because I'm a patriot), go ahead. How about the Constitution? The Bill of Rights? Ya wanna toss those too?

You rw's should be ashamed of yourselves.

GAWD, I am SO sick of reading the anti-America, anti-American rw's. You all hate the US so much, why don't you follow Ayn Rand back to Russia?

Oh wait - Just like you mealy mouthed rw's, she hated everything about the US right up until she got lung cancer and applied for GOVERNMENT assistance.

Will you ever get a ******* clue?

Probably not but that won't stop you from cashing your GOVERNMENT checks.

 

[gallantwarrior]

This country would be nothing more than a third-world shit hole without the Liberal states and cities.

Uh, rrriiiigghhtt! Sure, you keep on believing that gem.

 

[gallantwarrior]

This country would be nothing more than a third-world shit hole without the Liberal states and cities.

As Detroit so wonderfully demonstrates...not a shit hole at all.

And the quality of the inhabitants...superb! Of course you'd want your sister to marry into one of those sweet gangs. So loving, so much a family...

 

[Publius1787]

Absolutely not.

Just because we are called The United States and just because we SAY these words



Doesn't mean we are.

Don't believe it?

Just read the rw's on this board.

The pledge of allegiance was written by a socialist named Francis Bellamy. Under god was added many years later. He knew the docturine of federalism would undermine socialism, whereas states with socialist programs could not thrive in the free market with nonwelfare states. That's just my assessment. But the guy was a socialist. There is no doubt in that.

Years later, the 17th amendment came in to play and the states would no longer play a role in treaties, supreme court nominations, &c and the voice/power of the states were permanently deminished in the federal government. Which is why the 10th Amendment means nothing today. Now liberals in congress come up with a welfare scheme but cant constitutionally force the states to comply. So they tax their citizens, tie conditions on their money and say "we will give your money back to you if you implement our welfare program and pay for a percentage of the program."

If it weren't for the 17th amendment there would be no new deal, no great society, no obamacare, and certainly no liberal justices (as we know them today) on the supreme court.

Well,okay ... If you want to scrap the Pledge of Allegiance (UPPER CASE because I'm a patriot), go ahead. How about the Constitution? The Bill of Rights? Ya wanna toss those too?

You rw's should be ashamed of yourselves.

GAWD, I am SO sick of reading the anti-America, anti-American rw's. You all hate the US so much, why don't you follow Ayn Rand back to Russia?

Oh wait - Just like you mealy mouthed rw's, she hated everything about the US right up until she got lung cancer and applied for GOVERNMENT assistance.

Will you ever get a ******* clue?

Probably not but that won't stop you from cashing your GOVERNMENT checks.

Liberal mentality: welfare state = patriotism.

Liberal Mentality: Bill of rights MINUS the second amendment, the 10th Amendment, the 9th amendment, and the due process clause of the 5th amendment = good.

 

[gallantwarrior]

What part of UNITED States of America, are you too stupid to understand? Over 600,000 American lives were lost to preserve this union, you stupid ****. You want out? Move the **** out. I hear Iraq is MUCH nicer these days since Bush's surge worked so well. You should check into it.

How does the Civil War justify taxing people in Jacksonville for the spending binges the people of Detroit voted for?

Blood sucking ticks on the ass of society like you can move the **** out.

I hear the weather in Cuba is great!

I hear they have the best socialized medical care system on the planet...right up this one's alley.

 

[Publius1787]

What part of UNITED States of America, are you too stupid to understand? Over 600,000 American lives were lost to preserve this union, you stupid ****. You want out? Move the **** out. I hear Iraq is MUCH nicer these days since Bush's surge worked so well. You should check into it.

Should we have wasted 600,000 lives to preserve the union from people voting to leave it on a state by state basis? What a waste! The antithesis of democracy and republicanism.

 

[Oddball]

This country would be nothing more than a third-world shit hole without the Liberal states and cities.

Hate to break it to you, old bean, but a fair number of the lolberal cities (i.e. Detroit, central Los Angeles, Oakland) are themselves little better than third-world shit holes.

 

[Clementine]

California has made stupid decisions for decades. No, we shouldn't encourage them to make more. They've spent most of their money on welfare and have the highest percentage of illegal aliens and gangs.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The pledge of allegiance was written by a socialist named Francis Bellamy. Under god was added many years later. He knew the docturine of federalism would undermine socialism, whereas states with socialist programs could not thrive in the free market with nonwelfare states. That's just my assessment. But the guy was a socialist. There is no doubt in that.

Years later, the 17th amendment came in to play and the states would no longer play a role in treaties, supreme court nominations, &c and the voice/power of the states were permanently deminished in the federal government. Which is why the 10th Amendment means nothing today. Now liberals in congress come up with a welfare scheme but cant constitutionally force the states to comply. So they tax their citizens, tie conditions on their money and say "we will give your money back to you if you implement our welfare program and pay for a percentage of the program."

If it weren't for the 17th amendment there would be no new deal, no great society, no obamacare, and certainly no liberal justices (as we know them today) on the supreme court.

Well,okay ... If you want to scrap the Pledge of Allegiance (UPPER CASE because I'm a patriot), go ahead. How about the Constitution? The Bill of Rights? Ya wanna toss those too?

You rw's should be ashamed of yourselves.

GAWD, I am SO sick of reading the anti-America, anti-American rw's. You all hate the US so much, why don't you follow Ayn Rand back to Russia?

Oh wait - Just like you mealy mouthed rw's, she hated everything about the US right up until she got lung cancer and applied for GOVERNMENT assistance.

Will you ever get a ******* clue?

Probably not but that won't stop you from cashing your GOVERNMENT checks.

Liberal mentality: welfare state = patriotism.

Bill of rights MINUS the second amendment, the 10th Amendment, the 9th amendment, and the due process clause of the 5th amendment = good.

Sorry. I didn't realize that you have already said no thanks to Social Security and Medicare.

EXCEPT that YOU paid for Social Security and Medicare.

IOW, its NOT welfare.

Stupid rw's never know what they're talking about. All they have is what fux tells them.

BTW, you don't get to decide which of the Bill of Rights you'll accept and abide by. Idiot.

You need to go back to telling us what great Americans RobMe and Ryan and Ayn Rand are. Its not true but your buddies will type "ditto" a lot and that's all that matters to you fools.

 

[Publius1787]

This country would be nothing more than a third-world shit hole without the Liberal states and cities.

Hate to break it to you, old bean, but a fair number of the lolberal cities (i.e. Detroit, central Los Angeles, Oakland) are themselves little better than third-world shit holes.

I would rather live in any dirt hole in south east Asia than Detroit.
[ame=http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw]YouTube - Detroit in RUINS! (Crowder goes Ghetto)[/ame]

 

[Publius1787]

Well,okay ... If you want to scrap the Pledge of Allegiance (UPPER CASE because I'm a patriot), go ahead. How about the Constitution? The Bill of Rights? Ya wanna toss those too?

You rw's should be ashamed of yourselves.

GAWD, I am SO sick of reading the anti-America, anti-American rw's. You all hate the US so much, why don't you follow Ayn Rand back to Russia?

Oh wait - Just like you mealy mouthed rw's, she hated everything about the US right up until she got lung cancer and applied for GOVERNMENT assistance.

Will you ever get a ******* clue?

Probably not but that won't stop you from cashing your GOVERNMENT checks.

Liberal mentality: welfare state = patriotism.

Bill of rights MINUS the second amendment, the 10th Amendment, the 9th amendment, and the due process clause of the 5th amendment = good.

Sorry. I didn't realize that you have already said no thanks to Social Security and Medicare.

EXCEPT that YOU paid for Social Security and Medicare.

IOW, its NOT welfare.

Stupid rw's never know what they're talking about. All they have is what fux tells them.

BTW, you don't get to decide which of the Bill of Rights you'll accept and abide by. Idiot.

You need to go back to telling us what great Americans RobMe and Ryan and Ayn Rand are. Its not true but your buddies will type "ditto" a lot and that's all that matters to you fools.

Social Security and Medicare are redistributive transfer payments. What? You thought there was a lockbox? You thought the money is being responsibly invested? You think that it's solvent? Unless your from Galviston TX, Social Security and Medicare not only fail fiscally, but the benefit exceeds the amount of money contributed. Sure, I pay in to Social Security via no choice of my own, and therefore, I pay for your mother who you should be taking care of. She's not my mother nor is she my responsibility. Take a look at the national debt clock. I know you like your welfare programs paid for by the sweat of others but lay off the hatred for those whom you demand pay for your shiftless ass.

 

[Publius1787]

So, does the same go for drought stricken states? Since the states did not have enough in their "rainy day" funds (no pun intended) to cover the losses, should the Federal government be off the hook? Boehner doesn't seem to think so?

Hell yes it does. If farmers (more likely farming corporations) failed to buy crop insurance, that is NOT the fault of citizens in other states.

A lack of proper planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

Besides, we've dealt with drought stricken states in the past, where 'we the people' proved far more effective in helping than the central planners.

Fair enough. In the case of the floods in TN last year, should FEMA has stepped in? How about New Orleans? In each case, those locales should have planned better, right?

New Orleans was the zenith of liberal entitlement mentality run amok.

 

[JWBooth]

Hell yes it does. If farmers (more likely farming corporations) failed to buy crop insurance, that is NOT the fault of citizens in other states.

A lack of proper planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

Besides, we've dealt with drought stricken states in the past, where 'we the people' proved far more effective in helping than the central planners.

Fair enough. In the case of the floods in TN last year, should FEMA has stepped in? How about New Orleans? In each case, those locales should have planned better, right?

New Orleans was the zenith of liberal entitlement mentality run amok.

You use the past tense as if anything has changed.

 

[regent]

I assume you know what the word "united" means. Do you know what the word "state" meant at the time of the signing of the Articles of Confederation and the US Constitution?

Regardless, I did not vote for lavish union benefits in fiscally failed liberal unionized municipalities. Why should I pay for them?

I think this problem was pretty much solved soon after the Constitution went into effect. If you remember high school history, conservative Hamilton said the new government should and did assume the debts made by the states on behalf of the new nation. It is called assumption. Of course, every means possible will be made to reject assumption of debts but in the end???

Alexander Hamilton was anything but conservative in the modern sense of the word. But assumption was highly controversial and views as unconstitutional because there was no explicit power to do so. Among the objectors were Madison and Jefferson. And it was not done to bail out the states but to satisfy hamiltons want for a national bank, centralized power, and a national currency. Most of all he wanted centralized power. During the convention he spoke for 6 hours about the merits of the English system and how we should have a dictator for life that appoints the governors of the states with the senate holding life time seats. He also argued against the Bill of Rights. The only reason assumption was,passed was because it affected all states. Not just one at the expense of anohter. Big difference. Hamilton, nevertheless, is a horrible representation of the american system.

So why did some states object to Assumption?
And what is the modern sense of the word that makes Hamilton anything but a conservative? Hamilton was a conservative then, now and forever.
I wonder if you are the poster that argued Truman was a Republican?

 

[Publius1787]

I think this problem was pretty much solved soon after the Constitution went into effect. If you remember high school history, conservative Hamilton said the new government should and did assume the debts made by the states on behalf of the new nation. It is called assumption. Of course, every means possible will be made to reject assumption of debts but in the end???

Alexander Hamilton was anything but conservative in the modern sense of the word. But assumption was highly controversial and views as unconstitutional because there was no explicit power to do so. Among the objectors were Madison and Jefferson. And it was not done to bail out the states but to satisfy hamiltons want for a national bank, centralized power, and a national currency. Most of all he wanted centralized power. During the convention he spoke for 6 hours about the merits of the English system and how we should have a dictator for life that appoints the governors of the states with the senate holding life time seats. He also argued against the Bill of Rights. The only reason assumption was,passed was because it affected all states. Not just one at the expense of anohter. Big difference. Hamilton, nevertheless, is a horrible representation of the american system.

So why did some states object to Assumption?
And what is the modern sense of the word that makes Hamilton anything but a conservative? Hamilton was a conservative then, now and forever.
I wonder if you are the poster that argued Truman was a Republican?

Alexander Hamilton is the founder of big government. That makes him a liberal by today’s standards. If you want to label him a conservative by English standards i.e. British England go ahead. But he is the founding father of modern liberalism. The states objected to assumption because they didn’t want to be beholden to the federal government.

 

[Publius1787]

Fair enough. In the case of the floods in TN last year, should FEMA has stepped in? How about New Orleans? In each case, those locales should have planned better, right?

New Orleans was the zenith of liberal entitlement mentality run amok.

You use the past tense as if anything has changed.

Corection " New Orleans is ...... "

 

[Mr Natural]

This country would be nothing more than a third-world shit hole without the Liberal states and cities.

Hate to break it to you, old bean, but a fair number of the lolberal cities (i.e. Detroit, central Los Angeles, Oakland) are themselves little better than third-world shit holes.

You're right.

This is so much better.

 

[tjvh]

What part of UNITED States of America, are you too stupid to understand? Over 600,000 American lives were lost to preserve this union, you stupid ****. You want out? Move the **** out. I hear Iraq is MUCH nicer these days since Bush's surge worked so well. You should check into it.

That hardly has anything to do with forcing a responsible municipality to bail out an irresponsible one who has failed due to reckless spending habits. I mean we always hear about fairness and all...

 

[Oldstyle]

What part of UNITED States of America, are you too stupid to understand? Over 600,000 American lives were lost to preserve this union, you stupid ****. You want out? Move the **** out. I hear Iraq is MUCH nicer these days since Bush's surge worked so well. You should check into it.

Those lives were not lost so that idiot liberals could ruin their towns, cities and States and then demand to be bailed out by the Federal government.

Saying that someone who HAS been prudent with their spending should be forced to support those who haven't and not complain because it's the "patriotic" thing to do is one of the more ridiculous notions I've yet to see put forth here.