Should Ukraine get their Nuclear Weapons back?

[CowboyTed]

I wouldn't think so. I am against war, especially Nuclear War which is what the libs are lobbying for now in Ukraine.. I don't think the Nukes that Ukraine gave up 30 years ago are around any more anyhow, so this is a moot point.

I think you might find it hard to find anyone that is pro Nuclear war...

The actual weapons are long gone, so they would have to be replaced with similar weapons... Like for Like...

You can take something destroy it and than claim hey not giving you it back because I broke it...
Go into your Nuclear Arsenal and give the missiles and bombs of similar size and yield...

As I said I think that is a bad idea... I am about honouring the deal..

 

[Polishprince]

I think you might find it hard to find anyone that is pro Nuclear war...

The actual weapons are long gone, so they would have to be replaced with similar weapons... Like for Like...

You can take something destroy it and than claim hey not giving you it back because I broke it...
Go into your Nuclear Arsenal and give the missiles and bombs of similar size and yield...

As I said I think that is a bad idea... I am about honouring the deal..

Why don't you personally honor the deal, by sending money to Zelenskyy or volunteering to fight?

The deal maker was the Clintonistas, not the US taxpayers.

 

[CowboyTed]

I can not believe that you posted all that bullcrap and now are asking for evidence of the Coup.

In December 2013 Obama gave Victoria Nuland $5,000,000,000.00 to start the Maidan Color Revolution - in February 2014 Obama removed Viktor Yanukovych , Ukraine's duly elected President.

Ukraine on Fire (2016) ⭐ 6.3 | Documentary

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Show the actual Proof...

Here is your claim
In December 2013 Obama gave Victoria Nuland $5,000,000,000.00 to start the Maidan Color Revolution


And here is you next one

Obama removed Viktor Yanukovych , Ukraine's duly elected President.

Prove them, with evidence...

Where are the documents... Really want to know how Obama fired the President of Ukraine... Was it like the Apprentice, 'You're Fired'?
You know this has nothing to do with Budapest Memorandum? Nothing null or viods that contract...
BTW : Yanukovych was a corrupt asshole and was lucky not to get shot...

Viktor Yanukovych: corruption, opulence and decadence in Ukraine - Transparency International EU

transparency.eu

 

[CowboyTed]

Why don't you personally honor the deal, by sending money to Zelenskyy or volunteering to fight?

The deal maker was the Clintonistas, not the US taxpayers.

Clinton was the elected President... He represented the US, GOP backed the deal as well....
Do you know how democracy works?

US made the deal..

US went to war in Iraq, not the Republican Party... That is why we have elections..

 

[CowboyTed]

Hell no, anybody that thinks giving nukes back to Ukraine is an option is insane.

So are you up for honouring the deal?

 

[kyzr]

The deal was never ratified, so it wasn't a deal with the US government, but with only one administration.

There were several signatories, including Russia, the US, Britain, and France to the Budapest Memorandum.
"NATO" guaranteed Ukraine's security if they gave up their nukes, NATO should have admitted Ukraine back then.

 

[Contumacious]

Show the actual Proof...

Here is your claim
In December 2013 Obama gave Victoria Nuland $5,000,000,000.00 to start the Maidan Color Revolution


And here is you next one

Obama removed Viktor Yanukovych , Ukraine's duly elected President.

Prove them, with evidence...

Where are the documents... Really want to know how Obama fired the President of Ukraine... Was it like the Apprentice, 'You're Fired'?
You know this has nothing to do with Budapest Memorandum? Nothing null or viods that contract...
BTW : Yanukovych was a corrupt asshole and was lucky not to get shot...

Viktor Yanukovych: corruption, opulence and decadence in Ukraine - Transparency International EU

transparency.eu

I posted Oliver Stone's Documentary - why wasn't that sufficient evidence ?!?!?!?!!?!?

Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer​

 

[CowboyTed]

I posted Oliver Stone's Documentary - why wasn't that sufficient evidence ?!?!?!?!!?!?

Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer​

You don't really understand evidence...

We are talking documentation, viedo of it actually happening...

You keep on posting opinion after opinion....

As for the Oliver Stone movie... He posts sources, check them... Oliver is great at telling stories and you have to check his sources..

 

[Polishprince]

Clinton was the elected President... He represented the US, GOP backed the deal as well....
Do you know how democracy works?

US made the deal..

US went to war in Iraq, not the Republican Party... That is why we have elections..

America is a republic, not a monarchy. Clinton was President, not king.

He didn't have the power to make a binding deal according to our Constitution, because it was never ratified as required by Article 2, Section 2.

 

[Scoutster]

So are you up for honouring the deal?

No! It is not one or the other get over yourself.

 

[CowboyTed]

There were several signatories, including Russia, the US, Britain, and France to the Budapest Memorandum.
"NATO" guaranteed Ukraine's security if they gave up their nukes, NATO should have admitted Ukraine back then.

I agree with you on that...

Ukraine was a bit of a basket case back then... They had Russian interferring in their affairs in a lot of places...

Zelensky's biggest problem when he came in, the Judges were all appointed by pro Russian oligarchs... Ukraine was getting robbed blain by them. The legal system was a bit messed up, EU, OCED and EU were helping Ukraine clean up the mess and get Ukraine in shape to join EU.
Putin really hates EU... EU is about citizens rights and eliminating corruption. As soon as that happens the country just gets richer. Putin finds this very disturbing. Poland is about 4 times richer since joining EU... How can Putin tell Russians they should be happy being poor while himself and his buddies rob them blind..

 

[CowboyTed]

No! It is not one or the other get over yourself.

So you want to renege on the deal...

This means US does not honour deals... So don't do business with US cause they will get what they want and leave you hanging..

This will mean investing in US could be worthless if Trump decides to renege on previous deals... That makes US a very risky place to do business..

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

It wasn't the US that made the deal, it was the Democrat Party under Slick Willie.

Democrats should be out there volunteering to fight, not those of us who had nothing to do with the "deal".

BTW, the "deal" was never ratified by 2/3 of the Senate, as the Constitution requires for treaties, so there is no reason for Trump to honor it.

Do you have a link to show it was never ratified.

 

[CowboyTed]

America is a republic, not a monarchy. Clinton was President, not king.

He didn't have the power to make a binding deal according to our Constitution, because it was never ratified as required by Article 2, Section 2.

That is an internal issue for the US...

The GOP at the time was a backer of the deal...

There is a load of international agreements the Senate has not ratified...

But what you are saying is you want to pull out of the deal... Then just give the them the equivalent of the Nukes they gave up...
Just to make it clear, you want to rearm Ukraine with Nuclear Weapons...

 

[CowboyTed]

No! It is not one or the other get over yourself.

So what are you saying...

It was Nukes for security...

They gave up the Nukes, where is the security?

If the security is not coming, when we sending them back the Nukes..

 

[martybegan]

No, Think the deal should be honoured...

It was a good deal, Ukraine with nuclear weapons sounds like a bad idea.

So were you complaining about the deal being broken in 2014 when Obama ignored it?

Also like all the climate change "deals" it was never setup as an actual treaty, so any obligations are tenuous at best.

 

[CowboyTed]

So were you complaining about the deal being broken in 2014 when Obama ignored it?

Obama put in Sanctions.

It was in an effort at the time to avoid a war and make Russia reconsider.

It did not work...

Also like all the climate change "deals" it was never setup as an actual treaty, so any obligations are tenuous at best.

The Climate Change deal had opt out clauses without penalties...

The Budapest Deal was a Nukes for Security...

Ukraine provided the Nukes.

US were supplying the security, now Trump wants to stop that... So give them back their Nukes...

Personally, I think it was a good deal but if Trump wants to pull out ofit... Give them back their stuff or the equivalent off..

 

[martybegan]

Obama put in Sanctions.

It was in an effort at the time to avoid a war and make Russia reconsider.

It did not work...

The Climate Change deal had opt out clauses without penalties...

The Budapest Deal was a Nukes for Security...

Ukraine provided the Nukes.

US were supplying the security, now Trump wants to stop that... So give them back their Nukes...

Personally, I think it was a good deal but if Trump wants to pull out ofit... Give them back their stuff or the equivalent off..

Sanctions in this situation don't work for shit. Russia has enough of what it needs from agriculture industrial base to minerals to oil.

Sanctions worked on South Africa because they were oil poor and lacked the industrial base to replace what was being sanctioned.

Democrats have only let Ukraine get sliced and diced, for no apparent gain.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So you think the deal is dead, need to return their Nukes... So are we going to give them there Nukes back or equivalent?

The Nuland Lugar Bioweapon labs are more than enough WMD for Ukraine

 

[No Way]

Really? They gave all of them up?