Should the USA have teamed with the Germans

[harmonica]

..it's not like the US would be moving through France, a FRIENDLY country, ..they would be moving through the enemy country--a very LARGE country...no way they are taking it over

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Without controlling the skies all that Soviet armor would just be target practice and that's before developing jet fighters

 

[Picaro]

To destroy and obliterate Stalin and communism ??
Did we attack the wrong the nation.
We could have dealt with Germany after ??

We certainly shouldn't have armed the UK after they declared war against Germany. Instead of arming the UK we should have annexed Canada.

While the UK was busy defending themselves due to the aggressive war they started against Germany, they would not have had the resources to fight the USA at the same time.

And many Canadians, especially in Quebec, weren't too happy about their children being enslaved by King George to be used as royal cannon fodder again.

We could have easily taken Canada from the UK, probably without firing a shot.

Instead, FDR decided to enslave millions of Americans in violation of the 13th amendment and get hundreds of thousands of Americans killed fighting for the Soviet commies and the monarchy that sacked, looted and burned Washington D.C.

FDR was an evil traitor.

FDR did zero to take in any Jews!!
He let them all die
I guess I could easily live without the scum bags of Hollywood and the fake media

Rubbish. The U.S. had half the Jews on the planet already living here. We had moratorium on immigration since the 1920's. How come you bigots never whine about anybody else not taking the Jews in? Do you think the U.S. is always supposed to be the dumping ground for the planet's unwanted? Nobody else has to or is expected to?

How many Syrian or Hutu refugees has Isreal taken in? 6 million? 10 million? How many do you have living in your house?

 

[harmonica]

Without controlling the skies all that Soviet armor would just be target practice and that's before developing jet fighters

so, we get halfway across Russia and then what?
..do you have any idea how much it would cost--in $$$/material/etc just to go HALF-way across Russia????!!!..look at the map I posted

 

[Oddball]

yes

Hitler and National Socialism were dead.

The battle weary troops could have been rotated out, the factories producing the arms could have been relatively quickly brought back on line, the allies had air supremacy over the entirety of Europe and would have had no challenge laying the Soviet Air Force to waste.

Patton was right.

we can't even win in Afghanistan......you people don't know history/etc....it's not that simple..Russia was too big/etc
...over 2 times the size of the US.....
Napoleon took over Moscow and still lost

Apples and submarines.

the US and Germany are not going to defeat Russia--plain and simple

The Poles and very probably Finland would have joined in too....Would have been a romp...Plain and simple.

....o NOW some more IFs--as usual----hahahahhahahaha..let's give the US some F15 fighters also
....you obviously didn't look at the map I posted and/or don't know anything about wars/military/history

There are no IFs....Poland was being left to Stalin...They detested the Soviets every bit as much as the Nazis....Beside that, they would have been fighting for their home nation....The Finns only left the Axis after it was clear to them that Hitler was going to lose the war...They would have had no compunctions throwing in with a winner, if it meant regaining some land that was in dispute with Russia.

You really don't know diddly shit about the war, outside of the principal combatants, do you?

 

[Picaro]

Without controlling the skies all that Soviet armor would just be target practice and that's before developing jet fighters

they wouldn't have had much to fly without the British Merlin engines and the fuel boosters shipped in are the only reason they ever got off the ground. they could use old ww I biplanes as bombers because of Hitler having to strip the East of air power and antiaircraft guns to fight the bombing campaigns over Germany. This is one of the many reasons I laugh at the stupid claims that the Soviets won the war.

 

[Picaro]

Without controlling the skies all that Soviet armor would just be target practice and that's before developing jet fighters

so, we get halfway across Russia and then what?
..do you have any idea how much it would cost--in $$$/material/etc just to go HALF-way across Russia????!!!..look at the map I posted

No reason to shed any blood rescuing eastern Europe, given how many of them aided the Nazis and their own assistance in rounding up Jews to be mass murdered, and they did so after the war as well, which is why so many of them had to stay in the camps up to two years after they were 'liberated'. We had enough trouble feeding Europe after the war as it was; we didn't need another 20 million charity cases.

 

[Oddball]

Without controlling the skies all that Soviet armor would just be target practice and that's before developing jet fighters

so, we get halfway across Russia and then what?
..do you have any idea how much it would cost--in $$$/material/etc just to go HALF-way across Russia????!!!..look at the map I posted

No reason to shed any blood rescuing eastern Europe, given how many of them aided the Nazis and their own assistance in rounding up Jews to be mass murdered, and they did so after the war as well, which is why so many of them had to stay in the camps up to two years after they were 'liberated'. We had enough trouble feeding Europe after the war as it was; we didn't need another 20 million charity cases.

Protecting Poland's sovereignty was the (alleged) reason that the western European allies declared war on Hitler....Leaving Poland to Stalin at the end of the war was one of the greatest sellouts in human history.

 

[Picaro]

FDR Pushed for the Rescue of Jewish Refugees, Newly Revealed Documents Show

Franklin D. Roosevelt has been depicted as indifferent to the fate of the Jews. According to a new book, it is a reputation he does not deserve.

www.historynet.com

FDR Pushed for the Rescue of Jewish Refugees, Newly Revealed Documents Show

...


"As early as the spring of 1938, according to McDonald’s papers, Roosevelt began talking about a plan to rescue millions of Jews from Nazi Germany and divide them between a group of 10 democratic countries. Later that year, Roosevelt promised McDonald that he would ask Congress to appropriate $150 million to help resettle refugees around the world. In May 1939, only a month before the St. Louis incident, McDonald was present when FDR warned his advisors that the situation of the Jews in Germany was growing critical. “It was not so much a question of money,” McDonald recorded the president saying, “as it was of actual lives.”


McDonald, the high commissioner for refugees for the League of Nations in the 1930s, had no tolerance for foot-dragging bureaucrats or timid world leaders. He had resigned from his post in 1935 over the organization’s unwillingness to help Jews in Nazi Germany. And he had no reason to make excuses for Roosevelt. Which, historians say, is what makes his decision to join the president’s advisory committee on refugees in 1938—and his impressions of a president he believed was quite concerned about the fate of European Jews—so important."

Blame Congress for their actions, not FDR. It was the law, and Roosevelt couldn't do much about it.

 

[Picaro]

Without controlling the skies all that Soviet armor would just be target practice and that's before developing jet fighters

so, we get halfway across Russia and then what?
..do you have any idea how much it would cost--in $$$/material/etc just to go HALF-way across Russia????!!!..look at the map I posted

No reason to shed any blood rescuing eastern Europe, given how many of them aided the Nazis and their own assistance in rounding up Jews to be mass murdered, and they did so after the war as well, which is why so many of them had to stay in the camps up to two years after they were 'liberated'. We had enough trouble feeding Europe after the war as it was; we didn't need another 20 million charity cases.

Protecting Poland's sovereignty was the (alleged) reason that the western European allies declared war on Hitler....Leaving Poland to Stalin at the end of the war was one of the greatest sellouts in human history.

No, that was the reason Churchill and the Brits declared war on Hitler. Germany launched it wolf packs on American shipping and declared war on us. That's why we got into the war; same reason as WW I. Seems like nobody ever gave a shit about our neutrality and isolationism, which is why I know it's a stupid fantasy to keep pretending we can ignore the rest of the planet and 'mind our own business'. I don't see any reason to care about the fate of eastern Europe, they were mostly fans of Hitler and our enemies.

 

[Picaro]

German army was superior to the USA

LOL we not only supplied the Soviets and all of the Allies, we rolled over the Germans in North Africa, Siclily, Italy, and France, right into Germany itself. We killed a lot more of them than they did us, and in much tougher terrain than the steppes of Russia. Stop reading old copies of Pravda.

 

[Oddball]

Without controlling the skies all that Soviet armor would just be target practice and that's before developing jet fighters

so, we get halfway across Russia and then what?
..do you have any idea how much it would cost--in $$$/material/etc just to go HALF-way across Russia????!!!..look at the map I posted

No reason to shed any blood rescuing eastern Europe, given how many of them aided the Nazis and their own assistance in rounding up Jews to be mass murdered, and they did so after the war as well, which is why so many of them had to stay in the camps up to two years after they were 'liberated'. We had enough trouble feeding Europe after the war as it was; we didn't need another 20 million charity cases.

Protecting Poland's sovereignty was the (alleged) reason that the western European allies declared war on Hitler....Leaving Poland to Stalin at the end of the war was one of the greatest sellouts in human history.

No, that was the reason Churchill and the Brits declared war on Hitler. Germany launched it wolf packs on American shipping and declared war on us. That's why we got into the war; same reason as WW I. Seems like nobody ever gave a shit about our neutrality and isolationism, which is why I know it's a stupid fantasy to keep pretending we can ignore the rest of the planet and 'mind our own business'. I don't see any reason to care about the fate of eastern Europe, they were mostly fans of Hitler and our enemies.

Churchill and the Brits, along with France, Belgium, the Netherlands, etcetera, WERE the western allies....They had a pact with Poland to guarantee their sovereignty, which was the impetus behind their declaration of war with Germany after 1 Sep 39....True historical fact.

The rest of your drivel about "isolationism" is just that, drivel.....FDR was making deals with Churchill on the down-low, and he provoked the Japanese (BTW, ever heard of the American Volunteer Group?)....There was no minding of anyone's own business with that double-dealing tyrant.

 

[whitehall]

Foreign policy under FDR was incoherent at best. During the mid to late 30's the FDR administration did nothing (and the media said little) while Hitler gained power and American citizens were routinely abused and assaulted on Berlin streets for failure to show the proper respect to the fuhrer. War was coming on two fronts and the U.S. was oblivious. The U.S. had virtually no national intelligence or functioning espionage network while the FBI and Wild Bill Donovan fought it out in the courts. Churchill never trusted Stalin but FDR and "Uncle Joe" were cozy friends. When Ike was on the outskirts of Berlin the Administration halted the U.S./Allied army and allowed Stalin's mob to loot the city leading to what Churchill called "The Iron Curtain".

 

[harmonica]

yes

Hitler and National Socialism were dead.

The battle weary troops could have been rotated out, the factories producing the arms could have been relatively quickly brought back on line, the allies had air supremacy over the entirety of Europe and would have had no challenge laying the Soviet Air Force to waste.

Patton was right.

we can't even win in Afghanistan......you people don't know history/etc....it's not that simple..Russia was too big/etc
...over 2 times the size of the US.....
Napoleon took over Moscow and still lost

Apples and submarines.

the US and Germany are not going to defeat Russia--plain and simple

The Poles and very probably Finland would have joined in too....Would have been a romp...Plain and simple.

....o NOW some more IFs--as usual----hahahahhahahaha..let's give the US some F15 fighters also
....you obviously didn't look at the map I posted and/or don't know anything about wars/military/history

There are no IFs....Poland was being left to Stalin...They detested the Soviets every bit as much as the Nazis....Beside that, they would have been fighting for their home nation....The Finns only left the Axis after it was clear to them that Hitler was going to lose the war...They would have had no compunctions throwing in with a winner, if it meant regaining some land that was in dispute with Russia.

You really don't know diddly shit about the war, outside of the principal combatants, do you?

plain and simple, the US, Germany, etc are not going to take over Russia....again, you people think it's like a board game...you don't know about logistics/reality, etc

 

[ESay]

Churchill and the Brits, along with France, Belgium, the Netherlands, etcetera, WERE the western allies....They had a pact with Poland to guarantee their sovereignty, which was the impetus behind their declaration of war with Germany after 1 Sep 39....True historical fact

Actually, above was raised a fair argument - what was a reason to risk the lives of British and American and other Western nations for Eastern Europe? Considering their collaboration with Nazis and the role in Holocaust?

 

[harmonica]

..the US doesn't have enough men, equipment,etc to go into, fight, takeover, and occupy even HALF of Russia....
...they had problems with supply just getting near Germany--which was MUCH less territory

 

[Likkmee]

Operation Paperclip

 

[eagle1462010]

WWI wasn't finished..........led to WWII

WWII wasn't really finished........led to the Cold War and many Wars by others.

Korean War wasn't won........led to the North Korea we have today........

History repeating itself.


WWII ......Winston Churchill UNDERSTOOD what needed to be done.......FDR didn't listen......Poland was the reason England went to War against the odds.................the War should have not ended until Poland was freed.

All we did was cause problems for another 40 years...........and Stalin was a cold blooded murderer of his own people.

 

[Oddball]

yes

Hitler and National Socialism were dead.

The battle weary troops could have been rotated out, the factories producing the arms could have been relatively quickly brought back on line, the allies had air supremacy over the entirety of Europe and would have had no challenge laying the Soviet Air Force to waste.

Patton was right.

we can't even win in Afghanistan......you people don't know history/etc....it's not that simple..Russia was too big/etc
...over 2 times the size of the US.....
Napoleon took over Moscow and still lost

Apples and submarines.

the US and Germany are not going to defeat Russia--plain and simple

The Poles and very probably Finland would have joined in too....Would have been a romp...Plain and simple.

....o NOW some more IFs--as usual----hahahahhahahaha..let's give the US some F15 fighters also
....you obviously didn't look at the map I posted and/or don't know anything about wars/military/history

There are no IFs....Poland was being left to Stalin...They detested the Soviets every bit as much as the Nazis....Beside that, they would have been fighting for their home nation....The Finns only left the Axis after it was clear to them that Hitler was going to lose the war...They would have had no compunctions throwing in with a winner, if it meant regaining some land that was in dispute with Russia.

You really don't know diddly shit about the war, outside of the principal combatants, do you?

plain and simple, the US, Germany, etc are not going to take over Russia....again, you people think it's like a board game...you don't know about logistics/reality, etc

Logistics?...Ever heard of the Red Ball Express?...The US had the greatest industrial stream crossing the Atlantic to ever be displayed on the planet...Technicians working with the Germans could have had their munitions industries up and running in a few months.....Lest we forget all the functioning captured hardware already taken off the field of the western front.

Then there are the Romanians, Czechs, Slavs, Hungarians, etcetera, who would have all pitched in to keep their countries out from under Stalin's iron boot....Their partisans all fought very effective guerilla warfare against the Axis.

These are military facts, not board game scenarios.

 

[eagle1462010]

Russia had the numbers..........at the end of the world.............What they didn't have was the high level bombers........Siberia wasn't really hit during WWII..........that supply chain would have been cut to ribbons by our airforce........

Would have been bloody as hell...........the world was too tired of War........same as WWI..........so it caused shit for 40 years.