Should the USA have teamed with the Germans

[harmonica]

To destroy and obliterate Stalin and communism ??
Did we attack the wrong the nation.
We could have dealt with Germany after ??

absolutely not. Nazi Germany with the resources of the Soviet Union at their disposal and no continental opposition left would've become danged near invincible. It is entirely possible that Hitler's dream of the "old world" (led by Germany) would've gone to war against the "new world" (led by the United States) for final global supremacy.

Not even the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans would've protected the U.S. then

you are deranged.....
..Germany couldn't cross the Channel and you say they are going to go across the Atlantic????!!!!!!!!

The German navy you claimed didn't exist almost starved out the British by using submarines. And they didn't even go all out to build up their submarine fleet.

you people have no idea the shipping it takes to cross an ocean

 

[harmonica]

To destroy and obliterate Stalin and communism ??
Did we attack the wrong the nation.
We could have dealt with Germany after ??

absolutely not. Nazi Germany with the resources of the Soviet Union at their disposal and no continental opposition left would've become danged near invincible. It is entirely possible that Hitler's dream of the "old world" (led by Germany) would've gone to war against the "new world" (led by the United States) for final global supremacy.

Not even the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans would've protected the U.S. then

you are deranged.....
..Germany couldn't cross the Channel and you say they are going to go across the Atlantic????!!!!!!!!

The German navy you claimed didn't exist almost starved out the British by using submarines. And they didn't even go all out to build up their submarine fleet.

submarines are not built to carry troops and supplies across an ocean
hahahahahahahaha

 

[AZrailwhale]

.....we bombed the hell out of Germany with long range bombers and they still managed logistics very well
..bombing usually does not win wars

Yes they did...Which renders your argument about logistics moot....Vital German and western European rail lines would have been up and running post haste.

.....if bombing won wars, WW2 should've been over BEFORE the Russians got to Berlin...we ''ran out'' of incendiaries and targets in Japan from bombing--and no surrender...and after the ABombs, the vote was still TIED 3-3 for surrender
..no, the bombing did not win the war--the ground action did in the ETO and the ''''''A-Bombs'''''' in the Pacific --and that was not conventional bombing

Wars are won from all aspects of War..........airpower being a major part of it..........

Can't get supplies if your rails and rail bridges are getting blown up daily........nor build weapons of War when the you are carpet bombed.........

While it can't kill all the soldiers on the ground........it sure as hell can starve them and leave them without ammo.

didn't starve the Germans and they got their ammo

The Germans in France were short of everything. Nothing with a black and white cross on it could move in daylight and survive. Hitler Jugend Division lost fifty percent of it's vehicles and many tanks trying to move less than fifty miles to it's jumping off position near Caen. Take a look at photos of German vehicles in Normandy, they looked like mobile haystacks or trees there was so much foliage on them to hide them from allied airpower.

..they Germans were fighting the 2 largest countries in the world PLUS--and they did well in defense
...the Germans defeated 2 large nations ''quickly'' in the Battle for France---when the odds were LESS against them ......the Germans were good....and they did a phenomenal/amazing job in doing what they did in Russia...
AND--AND if hitler had not have meddled around, they would've done even better:
----he meddled with the Normandy defense, wanting offensives--same with the Battle of the Bulge--and Stalingrad.....
..the Germans did a monumental job of logistics in Russia/etc---especially in the Battle of the Bulge at creating 3 armies under the air power noses of the Allies.

The Germans won the Battle of France because the French commander was a moron. He was trying to run a modern war by mounted messenger, the only difference between him and the commander of the French forces in the Franco-Prussian War of 1866 was that instead of horses, Gamelan's messengers were mounted on motorcycles. His headquarters didn't even have telephones. The Germans got inside his decision loop and stayed there. they also "cheated" by attacking through the Ardennes in Belgium instead of making costly head-on attacks against the Maginot Line fortresses. The 316.000 troops of the BEF were hobbled by Gamelan and despite often defeating the Wehrmacht forces had to fall back as French forces on their flanks were routed.

 

[AZrailwhale]

To destroy and obliterate Stalin and communism ??
Did we attack the wrong the nation.
We could have dealt with Germany after ??

absolutely not. Nazi Germany with the resources of the Soviet Union at their disposal and no continental opposition left would've become danged near invincible. It is entirely possible that Hitler's dream of the "old world" (led by Germany) would've gone to war against the "new world" (led by the United States) for final global supremacy.

Not even the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans would've protected the U.S. then

Hitler had zero navy and could not even take the UK

That is a fact.
For 1941.

But not an indefinite state of affairs. Especially if Nazi Germany had the resources of the Soviet Union and no continental opposition.

jesus christ people--let's give Germany some Stealth bombers while were at it
..Germany did not have a powerful/etc navy--fact--you can't change that

They could (and would've) built one over time.

The Germans had no chance of outbuilding the British, they had absolutely no chance of outbuilding the USA.

 

[Dayton3]

To destroy and obliterate Stalin and communism ??
Did we attack the wrong the nation.
We could have dealt with Germany after ??

absolutely not. Nazi Germany with the resources of the Soviet Union at their disposal and no continental opposition left would've become danged near invincible. It is entirely possible that Hitler's dream of the "old world" (led by Germany) would've gone to war against the "new world" (led by the United States) for final global supremacy.

Not even the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans would've protected the U.S. then

you are deranged.....
..Germany couldn't cross the Channel and you say they are going to go across the Atlantic????!!!!!!!!

The German navy you claimed didn't exist almost starved out the British by using submarines. And they didn't even go all out to build up their submarine fleet.

submarines are not built to carry troops and supplies across an ocean
hahahahahahahaha

The Bering Strait isn't much ocean

 

[harmonica]

To destroy and obliterate Stalin and communism ??
Did we attack the wrong the nation.
We could have dealt with Germany after ??

absolutely not. Nazi Germany with the resources of the Soviet Union at their disposal and no continental opposition left would've become danged near invincible. It is entirely possible that Hitler's dream of the "old world" (led by Germany) would've gone to war against the "new world" (led by the United States) for final global supremacy.

Not even the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans would've protected the U.S. then

you are deranged.....
..Germany couldn't cross the Channel and you say they are going to go across the Atlantic????!!!!!!!!

The German navy you claimed didn't exist almost starved out the British by using submarines. And they didn't even go all out to build up their submarine fleet.

submarines are not built to carry troops and supplies across an ocean
hahahahahahahaha

The Bering Strait isn't much ocean

1. sorry pal--keep up--the poster said Pacific and Atlantic
2. so they are going to go through Alaska!!!!??? great strategy there!!!!

 

[harmonica]

..while were are at it, let's give the Germans nuclear powered subs with missiles

 

[Picaro]

Historian John Keegan had a 'What If' re Hitler proposing that after running the Brits out of Greece when dumbass Mussolini lost his invasion there the Germans could have invaded Turkey and then Iraq using Vichy Syria as a base, and from there threatened both the Canal Zone, Iran, India, and southern Russia and its oil fields, killing several birds with one stone, securing an oil supply, out-flanking the Brits in Egypt, cutting off the all weather Lend-Lease routes through Iran, and threatening Britain’s most valuable colony India, with 20 divisions. They could have counted on most of the Arabs support as well, at least 90% of them . This sounds like a viable plan that could have won, if the right winger running Germany had been Hitler's rival Wehrmacht General Schliecher.

He was the General that managed and oversaw the 'Black Armies' the Germans were building and training in Italy, Spain, and Russia, until Hitler shot him personally in 1933, or '32, I don't remember off hand at the moment.

 

[mikegriffith1]

To destroy and obliterate Stalin and communism ??
Did we attack the wrong the nation.
We could have dealt with Germany after ??

We could have aided the German resistance instead of sabotaging them the way FDR did. As evil and terrible as Hitler was, Stalin was far worse. Stalin killed two or three times more people than Hitler killed.

 

[Dayton3]

To destroy and obliterate Stalin and communism ??
Did we attack the wrong the nation.
We could have dealt with Germany after ??

We could have aided the German resistance instead of sabotaging them the way FDR did. As evil and terrible as Hitler was, Stalin was far worse. Stalin killed two or three times more people than Hitler killed.

True. Though Stalin did it over a longer time period. But as Matthew White said in his book about the 100 worst mass killings in world history, the U.S. didn't fight against Hitler because he was evil, but because he was dangerous. Hitler was a far greater immediate threat than Stalin was to the west at that time.

 

[mikegriffith1]

It was not a matter of either/or. We could have aided the German resistance instead of sabotaging them. We also could have cut a deal with Japan and allowed Japan to attack the Soviet Union from the east. FDR picked a fight with anti-Communist Japan because he feared the Japanese would attack the Soviet Union. Japan was willing to ditch its pact with Germany if FDR would make a peace deal and lift his crushing sanctions on Japan, which were killing the Japanese economy. Japan was entirely willing to join the Allies and attack Stalin from the east, but Japan's leaders did not understand that FDR was determined to save the Soviet Union.

FDR's sickening refusal to help the German resistance deserves history's harsh condemnation, as Thomas Fleming documents:

FDR Writes a Policy in Blood

FDR’s blind insistence on unconditional surrender prolonged World War II and cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

www.historynet.com

And Stalin was just as dangerous as Hitler. Stalin planned on launching a massive invasion of Germany and the rest of Europe, but the Germans detected the Russian buildup and attacked the Soviets before they could launch their planned assault. Some Soviet generals admitted after the war that Hitler simply beat Stalin to the punch, and that Stalin was preparing to attack Germany and the rest of Europe when Hitler attacked.

 

[Unkotare]

...what's Murica doing in over 130 countries right now, if not trying to save the world?

We are where we are to protect and secure OUR own interests. Not "to save the world."

 

[Litwin]

With German army and American AirPower we would have overcome the Russians within 2 years

"German army and American AirPower we would have overcome the Russians within 2 years"

why do you thunk so ?
my guess , ussr ´d collapse much faster , USA with white emigrants and Finland ´d attack Leningrad which ´d capitulate without a fight, uprisings in Belarus and Ukraine ´d finish off bolshevik gang in the weeks

 

[harmonica]

Historian John Keegan had a 'What If' re Hitler proposing that after running the Brits out of Greece when dumbass Mussolini lost his invasion there the Germans could have invaded Turkey and then Iraq using Vichy Syria as a base, and from there threatened both the Canal Zone, Iran, India, and southern Russia and its oil fields, killing several birds with one stone, securing an oil supply, out-flanking the Brits in Egypt, cutting off the all weather Lend-Lease routes through Iran, and threatening Britain’s most valuable colony India, with 20 divisions. They could have counted on most of the Arabs support as well, at least 90% of them . This sounds like a viable plan that could have won, if the right winger running Germany had been Hitler's rival Wehrmacht General Schliecher.

He was the General that managed and oversaw the 'Black Armies' the Germans were building and training in Italy, Spain, and Russia, until Hitler shot him personally in 1933, or '32, I don't remember off hand at the moment.

Germany is not going to beat Russia...we've been over this before

 

[harmonica]

To destroy and obliterate Stalin and communism ??
Did we attack the wrong the nation.
We could have dealt with Germany after ??

We could have aided the German resistance instead of sabotaging them the way FDR did. As evil and terrible as Hitler was, Stalin was far worse. Stalin killed two or three times more people than Hitler killed.

so killing 2 people is better than killing 10????!!!!!
..someone who murders 2 people is better than someone who murdered 10???!!!!!
hahahahahahhahahaha

 

[konradv]

No way in hell. We should have invaded Germany just like they invaded Poland and France. The German army was scattered all over and we could have driven right into Berlin and grabbed Hitler. Russia has never been our friend.

I don't understand why Ike let the Soviets rape Berlin. The regular Wehrmacht would have surrendered in droves to the approaching allies from the west.

That decision was made above Ike's level. They thought, why not let the Soviets take the casualties? We should have taken Prague, though.

 

[Oddball]

No way in hell. We should have invaded Germany just like they invaded Poland and France. The German army was scattered all over and we could have driven right into Berlin and grabbed Hitler. Russia has never been our friend.

I don't understand why Ike let the Soviets rape Berlin. The regular Wehrmacht would have surrendered in droves to the approaching allies from the west.

That decision was made above Ike's level. They thought, why not let the Soviets take the casualties? We should have taken Prague, though.

Ike could have dmeanded a refugee corridor be left open...Forget the Wehrmacht, there was absolutely no reason to allow the civilian population of Berlin to be raveged by the Reds... He failed.

 

[HenryBHough]

Rooseveldt was a diseased, mindless shadow of himself at Yalta.

Watch out when Xiden flutters off to negotiate a treaty.

Yes, Virginia, history DOES repeat itself.

 

[Markle]

No way in hell. We should have invaded Germany just like they invaded Poland and France. The German army was scattered all over and we could have driven right into Berlin and grabbed Hitler. Russia has never been our friend.

I don't understand why Ike let the Soviets rape Berlin. The regular Wehrmacht would have surrendered in droves to the approaching allies from the west.

That decision was made above Ike's level. They thought, why not let the Soviets take the casualties? We should have taken Prague, though.

Ike could have dmeanded a refugee corridor be left open...Forget the Wehrmacht, there was absolutely no reason to allow the civilian population of Berlin to be raveged by the Reds... He failed.

Sadly today, it seems that the majority of citizens know little or nothing about World War II. What is surprising to me is that you demand to display your ignorance about the war.

Adolph Hitler blamed not himself but the Nazi Wehrmacht and the private citizens. Hitler demanded that Germany be destroyed if they could not win. He believed that total destruction is what the people deserved. He forbid any surrender and demanded that they fight to the last man.

This was total war, the citizens of the Soviet Union had been brutally treated by the invading Nazis. They were raped, tortured, murdered and all their possessions plundered or destroyed. Stalin himself could not have provided a "corridor" for civilians to escape if he wanted to. The Red Army was bent on revenge for the atrocities perpetrated on their country.

 

[Markle]

To destroy and obliterate Stalin and communism ??
Did we attack the wrong the nation.
We could have dealt with Germany after ??

We could have aided the German resistance instead of sabotaging them the way FDR did. As evil and terrible as Hitler was, Stalin was far worse. Stalin killed two or three times more people than Hitler killed.