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So why is putting a gun to deadbeat heads wrong, besides your TDS?That's the most retarded thing you've said yet.
It amazes me the lengths you cultists would go to rationalize Trump.
The US is tapped out, duh.
We can't afford to borrow to protect the EU when its time they stepped up and defended themselves.
We have the ME and China to deal with.
The status quo is becoming a new paradigm.
So why is putting a gun to deadbeat heads wrong, besides your TDS?
If it takes Trump threats to get the deadbeats to pay up for defense that is a net positive,
1. True, the US is not the "world's cop", but keeping the peace from dictators like Putin takes resources.Except we don't really need to be in the Middle East OR China.
Japan and South Korea are wealthy enough to defend themselves from China, which isn't an aggressive power to start with.
China hasn't invaded anyone since 1979.
1. If they aren't spending 2% on defense they are deadbeats by definition.because
1) they aren't "deadbeats"
2) Trump's bellicose rantings had nothing to do with their increases in spending. Putin's aggression did. NATO leaders have nothing but contempt for Trump.
3) Trump is against the idea of NATO in general, which is pretty fucking dangerous.
The fact is, we've never had to defend the European Allies, but many of them came to OUR aid after 9/11. At least until Bush fucked that up and went on a crusade against Iraq that can we all finally agree was a terrible idea.
1. True, the US is not the "world's cop", but keeping the peace from dictators like Putin takes resources.
2. Japan and SK are no match for China without the US, you can even throw Australia in (SEATO)
3. China is becoming more aggressive, especially with its threats to Taiwan.
Except they aren't getting a free ride more than anyone else.The US needs to let the EU police their own back yard, letting NATO deadbeats get a free ride is stupid.
No, it just means they are spending to their needs and abilities.1. If they aren't spending 2% on defense they are deadbeats by definition.
It had nothing to do with Trump, who they hold in utter contempt.2. I gave you the NATO link proving that Trump got $100b more from deadbeats in 2019, it will work again in 2025.
3. I don't care if NATO leaders hate Trump, Stoltenberg loves Trump. Besides, NATO members held Biden IN CONTEMPT for his cut and run in AFG.
because we've all seen how good Trump is at obeying the law, right?4. Trump can be against NATO, congress just passed a law that the US in NATO, period.
5. The fact is that the US spent/borrowed a lot of money keeping troops in the EU to protect them from the USSR from 1945-2024.
Most of them sent troops to Afghanistan. Some even sent Troops to Iraq.6. What exactly did our NATO allies do after 9/11 to aid the US?
Iraq is an Iranian Client state today. How is that better?7. Getting rid of Saddam and his larvae was a very good idea.
1. Taiwan thinks they are NOT part of China. The US has all of its "chips" on Taiwan remaining independent. China does NOT control Taiwan, so it is NOT part of China.We appointed ourselves the world cop after WWII.
SEATO stopped existing after South Vietnam Fell.
Japan has more than enough wealth to field a world-class military; they just refuse to do so. (Also, their constitution prohibits it.) Japan's defense spending is less than 1% of GDP. All NATO members except Luxembourg are above 1%.
South Korea spends 2.7% of GDP on defense, which sounds like a lot, but they have an active war front with North Korea and a crazy dictator up there.
Australia spends 1.9% of GDP on defense.
Incidentally, China only spends 1.7% of it's GDP on the military. Of course, they have a Conscript Army they don't have to pay.
Taiwan is part of China. If anything, China has been pretty restrained in not squashing them like a bug. Do you think that the US would tolerate one of our states acting like Taiwan? Except they aren't getting a free ride more than anyone else.
You see, the main reason why we spend so much on the military (about 4% of GDP) is because we have an all volunteer military and have to offer really generous benefits to get people to sign up. Germany spends less than 2%, they have a conscript army.
Well the EU External Debt reached 16,979.6 Billion USD in 2023The GDP of the EU (in euros) is around 15T, the USA around 23T, so there is no reason in the world why the EU can't pull their own weight and fund the Ukes if that's what they want to do.
I say not another dime to the Uke midget....Enough of the USA being the EU's crutch. Let them cut back on their social programs and reap the consequences of their Ukeland virtue signaling.
1. Low-IQ folks like you shouldn't call others retarded.Son, you just went full retard. No, it just means they are spending to their needs and abilities.
It had nothing to do with Trump, who they hold in utter contempt. The Allies wrote off Afghanistan a long time ago.
because we've all seen how good Trump is at obeying the law, right?
And our own economic interests. The military industrial complex is really the only thing that keeps the American economy afloat.
Most of them sent troops to Afghanistan. Some even sent Troops to Iraq.
Iraq is an Iranian Client state today. How is that better?
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Taiwan calls itself "The Republic of China". The official language is Mandarin Chinese. Yes, they are part of China1. Taiwan thinks they are NOT part of China. The US has all of its "chips" on Taiwan remaining independent. China does NOT control Taiwan, so it is NOT part of China.
2. A conscript military are all unmotivated temps, a very poor military. The US military are generally highly trained professional military men. In a war it would be no contest.
The we probably shouldn't have imposed a constitution on them that prohibits it. The biggest problem with Japan spending more is the rest of Asia would throw a fit. They all have unhappy memories of Japanese occupation.3. We do need Japan to step up and develop a world class military, they can now afford it. They bitch a lot about China's claims...
Then stop saying retarded stuff, Corky1. Low-IQ folks like you shouldn't call others retarded.
Where is that in the NATO charter? Thanks.2. NATO membership requires a 2% spend of GDP on defense. Its not that complex a concept. Deadbeats should be thrown out.
The part where he doesn't obey laws.4. What part of Trump can't leave NATO don't you understand?
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.5. The old US military industrial complex is gone. The US doesn't even make steel any longer. The US leads in advanced weapons, AI, and raw economic power. The military budget doesn't drive the $28T US GDP.
Do you?6. Iraq is not an Iranian client state, duh. Do you even know the difference between Shia and Sunni???
1. Taiwan is part of China like the US is part of Great Britain. Its not. China's "One China" policy is just wishful thinking. Xi saying Taiwan will be part of China by 2050. Then the next guy can say by 2080, etc.Taiwan calls itself "The Republic of China". The official language is Mandarin Chinese. Yes, they are part of China
Um, our "trained professionals" couldn't prevail against Afghanistan and Iraq. A couple years in, they were recruiting people like Chelsea Manning and Bowe Bergdahl.
Then we probably shouldn't have imposed a constitution on them that prohibits it. The biggest problem with Japan spending more is the rest of Asia would throw a fit. They all have unhappy memories of Japanese occupation.
Where is that in the NATO charter? Thanks.
The part where he doesn't obey laws.
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
Do you? Most Iraqis are Shi'ites...just like the Iranians.
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1. Taiwan is part of China like the US is part of Great Britain. Its not. China's "One China" policy is just wishful thinking. Xi saying Taiwan will be part of China by 2050. Then the next guy can say by 2080, etc.
2. The US prevailed in AFG and Iraq. The Taliban are 70,000 primitives living in caves in the middle of nowhere. The AFG army of 300,000 well armed and well equipped conscripts proves my point. Unmotivated conscripts lose. The US military's "woke" policies hurt readiness. You're right that Manning should have been thrown out, and Bergdahl should be in prison, not serving.
Agreed to commit to promise to try really hard, um, no, real world, that's not much of a guarantee.3. Agreed to commit is a "promise". If you don't meet 2% you're a deadbeat and should be thrown out.
4. Trump can't take the US out of NATO. Remember what happened when he told Zelensy he wouldn't give approved funds unless Z announced an investigation into corruption?
5. The $28T GDP US economy does not depend on military spending.
6. So prove your assertion that: "Iraq is an Iranian Client state today."
1. Biden said that the US would defend Taiwan from an attack by China. he can't say it, but China knows it.One China isn't just China's policy, it's the United States' official stance.
To this day, the U.S. “one China” position stands: the United States recognizes the PRC as the sole legal government of China but only acknowledges the Chinese position that Taiwan is part of China. Thus, the United States maintains formal relations with the PRC and has unofficial relations with Taiwan. The “one China” policy has subsequently been reaffirmed by every new incoming U.S. administration. The existence of this understanding has enabled the preservation of stability in the Taiwan Strait, allowing both Taiwan and mainland China to pursue their extraordinary political and socioeconomic transitions in relative peace.
Sorry, man, we got our asses kicked by two third world countries... our system doesn't work.
Actually, you miss my point; Bergdahl never should have been recruited because he got a psych discharge from the Coast Guard. Manning never should have been admitted because she has a host of issues. But because the standards were lowered they got in.
Afghanistan didn't use "conscripts" they used local militias. Local Militias that swore fealty to the Taliban, switched to our side as long as we paid them, and then switched right back when we left. Thank God Biden got us out of that mess.
Agreed to commit to promise to try really hard, um, no, real world, that's not much of a guarantee.
Yes, he got away with it. Trump is going into court arguing being president allows him to order Seal Team Six to murder his adversaries, and the only remedy is an impeachment he's already beaten twice. He has no fear of having to get elected to another term (assuming he doesn't cancel democracy altogether in this country) and this time, he's not going to have guys like Barr, Esper or Pence around him to keep him in check. So we can totally assume he's going to follow some law and not pull out all the troops because a NATO minister made fun of his rug.
I could think of many major industries that would shut down if it weren't for military exports... But you're a Republican, you people don't understand economics.
The invasion “was the original sin,” said Emile Hokayem, a senior fellow for Middle East security at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, a British think tank. “It helped Iran bolster its position by being a predator in Iraq. It’s where Iran perfected the use of violence and militias to obtain its goals. It eroded the U.S.’s image. It led to fragmentation in the region.”
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WeinerNo more money is my choice.
1. Biden said that the US would defend Taiwan from an attack by China. he can't say it, but China knows it.
2. AFG & VN were 20-year wars where the US never lost a battle but "lost" because we left. No wonder US recruiting is down. Too much "nation-building" instead of kicking ass and going home. Because of "woke" policies the military is 50,000 men short, no wonder so many losers like Bergdahl and trannys are still in.
3. Simple, you don't pay 2% you don't get NATO protection.
4. The US is in NATO no matter who is president. Period. Full stop. Its the law.
5. Economics? The Joint Chiefs already warned that the National Debt is the biggest threat to the US. If we don't fix that we won't have a military, or foreign aid, or Welfare, or Medicaid...
Uh, yeah, it kind of does. Iran can do whatever the hell it likes, and they're thanked for it. Our guys can't leave the base.6. Having militias inside Iraq does NOT prove that Iraq is a client state of Iran.
1. We're selling Taiwan weapons. We are giving Taiwan cash to buy more weapons. Biden said we would defend Taiwan. QEDHe can say it, but the reality is, Taiwan is still seen as a province of China by US Policy, and the UN. Legally, it would create quite the problem if we did try to defend Taiwan, because we would essentially be interfering in China's internal affairs, something they are QUITE touchy on.
China is willing to tolerate Taiwan or Hong Kong having their own systems, but not being independent.
Uh, no, we lost because we couldn't achieve our objectives. That's why we lost. The whole macho "We never lost a battle" stuff is a little silly. What we couldn't do is make the governments we supported viable, because the Afghans would have RATHER been ruled by the Taliban and the Vietnamese would have rather been ruled by the Communists.
So how does that work if you are, let's say, Luxembourg? "Well, we'll protect Germany and France, because they paid their debt, but not you."
"Um, wouldn't they have to go through Germany or France to get to us." I can see why you Trumpers are confused, most of you couldn't find Luxembourg on a map.
And what we've seen is Trump ignores the law whenever it suits him. That guy did all sorts of shit that was against the law and international agreements.
Okay, so make the rich pay their fair share. Problem solved.
Uh, yeah, it kind of does. Iran can do whatever the hell it likes, and they're thanked for it. Our guys can't leave the base.
1. We're selling Taiwan weapons. We are giving Taiwan cash to buy more weapons. Biden said we would defend Taiwan. QED
2. What objectives? Nation-building? True. The Taliban can have their caves. They said that AlQaeda would not be welcome back. That is a victory of sorts. AFG does not have the resources to attack the US.
Wow, your rationalizations get more and more crazy, don't they? Besides the fact those paratroopers would have to violate German Airspace, airdrops are only useful if you have ground troops able to link up to them. See Operation Market Garden if you want to see an example of when that doesn't work.3. Luxembourg can be attacked by paratroopers and taken over by Putin. Very easy.
4. Trump won't chance another impeachment where he would definitely be removed. Just won't happen, removal would be unanimous.
5. You could take every dollar from Forbes 500 richest and still only pay about half of the Debt. Then what. The corporations would be bankrupt. The stock market would be down to zero. Cutting government spending with a few tax increases would work better.
Welfare would go to the states. The Dept of Education would be dissolved and block granted to the states, etc.
6. Point being that Iran does not have significant influence in Iraq. There are "state/regional" differences, but Iran & Iraq are not on the same team.
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Cause we like wars more than they do. We like it so much cause it's always somewhere else.Russia under Putin is an aggressor nation. Trump wants NATO to meet their 2% for the military.
A weakened Russia is good for world peace. Ukraine is bearing the brunt of the fighting, giving weapons is in the interest of the US and NATO.
My bitch is that the EU freeloaders always wait for the US to pay the bill.
