Should states outlaw Scientology?

[buckeye45_73]

Same sex marriage is still MARRIAGE

Not sure I follow...

 

[flan327]

The sad part it, you do have a point. The left a psychos, that are for communism and that's it........all the other issues are just fronts to get their communism....sad but true.

What are you blathering about??

Left DOES NOT EQUAL Communism

 

[flan327]

Not sure I follow...

Can’t help you

 

[buckeye45_73]

What are you blathering about??

Left DOES NOT EQUAL Communism

IT does, we get the shell game they play. Global Warming and white supremacy is just excuses for them to take power and CRT, 1619, Vaccine mandates, Tranny kids, we see what they're all about. They want control, they want to remove parents (the LEFT HATES the nuclear family) from the equation and take over.

 

[hjmick]

I drive by there everyday and there might be a security guard parked on the lot. Thats it.

Off of Sulphur Mountain they converted Larry Hagmans place to a drug rehab. It's not cheap.

Scientologists to use Larry Hagman's Ojai estate for drug rehab

The Church of Scientology has confirmed it will convert the Ojai estate that once belonged to actor Larry Hagman into a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center..

archive.vcstar.com

It's funny how few know that those kooks are behind Narconon...


I always liked Ojai.

 

[BackAgain]

That's the thing, you don't have to. Because you can go to another state. Plus, the constitution applies to the federal government, not the states.

You never heard about the doctrine of “incorporation,” apparently.

Face facts. The First Amendment prohibits the outcome you suggest in your petty little OP. You’ve already gotten good advice. Shit can this retarded thread and try an analogy that might be applicable to your actual agenda.

 

[BackAgain]

Yes. But in this thread, I am using other people's arguments to demonstrate why they fail.

And you’ve failed entirely in the process.

They say all analogies limp. Well, yours is crippled and was stillborn anyway.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

You never heard about the doctrine of “incorporation,” apparently.

You mean the doctrine of activist judges trampling on states' rights so the federal government can control them?

 

[whitehall]

How many bogus junk examples are we going to go through before the left acknowledges the right of the people to determine whether we should murder babies in the womb? Scientology is covered by the 1st Amendment freedom of religion.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Yes, but what law will the state pass that doesn't contradict the Constitution? The Constitution is supreme, meaning that if you were to restrict gun laws in NY, the Constitution, says nope

See, this is where you are wrong. The constitution only says that the federal government is prohibited from enacting those restrictions. There is no contradiction with the constitution when a state restricts those things, because it's only the federal government that is limited.

Geez, this isn't even a disputable fact. It was always widely known and understood that the Bill of Rights only applied restrictions upon the federal government. The Supreme Court itself affirmed this fact repeatedly. The very essence of states' rights is that the states can enact restrictions that would be out of bounds for the federal government, because state governments are much closer to the people, and the people can therefore exercise far greater control of the state legislatures.

It's only been relatively recently when activist judges enacted this crazy incorporation doctrine where they have stripped away the states' rights to enact laws as the people of those states see fit.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Scientology is covered by the 1st Amendment freedom of religion.

And the 1st amendment only applies to the federal government, not the states. Now, if your state has an analogous article in its constitution (most states do) then you can take up any complaints as violations of your state's constitution. But the states can change their constitutions if they wish. And maybe the should.

 

[blackhawk]

Scientology is considered a religion at least by some given that any attempt to ban would be DOA.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Scientology is ridiculous and it’s adherents suckers, but states don’t have the right to outlaw religion.

Sure they do.

 

[BackAgain]

You mean the doctrine of activist judges trampling on states' rights so the federal government can control them?

Why no. No, that’s not what is meant by the “incorporation doctrine,” you silly ignorant twit.

Someday, look it up. Or have an intelligent adult friend explain it to you, if you have any intelligent adults in your circle of friends.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Why no. No, that’s not what is meant by the “incorporation doctrine,”

Clearly, it is. Because incorporation didn't happen with the passage of a constitutional amendment. It happened over time, and across contradicting precedents at that.

 

[BackAgain]

Clearly, it is. Because incorporation didn't happen with the passage of a constitutional amendment. It happened over time, and across contradicting precedents at that.

Clearly you’re wrong. Doctrines can emerge over time without them being invalid. Who the fuck actually thinks that the Federal government can’t violate the freedom of the press but that it’s okey-dokey if Maine or Florida or California does? Nobody with a brain.

 

[BackAgain]

The incorporation doctrine is a constitutional doctrine through which the first ten amendments of the United States Constitution (known as the Bill of Rights) are made applicable to the states through the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

incorporation doctrine

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Clearly you’re wrong. Doctrines can emerge over time without them being invalid.

In other words, you cook up an idea that didn't exist before, and now the constitution means something different. Using fancy names doesn't change things.

Who the fuck actually thinks that the Federal government can’t violate the freedom of the press but that it’s okey-dokey if Maine or Florida or California does? Nobody with a brain.

The Supreme Court, actually.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Let's say 25 states outlaw Scientology. That's fine, right? Anyone who wants to be a Scientologist can just move to another state, right?

There is no deeply held tradition in this country to engage in Scientology, so it's actually fine to outlaw it.

Why are you such a fucktard? Scientology is a religion, just like Islam. Should we outlaw it to? The First Amendment says no!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No, it doesn't. The constitution binds the federal government, and thereby the enumerated rights of the Bill of Rights are not binding on the states, except where explicitly stated. The protections of the Bill of Rights were only incorporated to the states after passage of the 14th amendment. But the 14th amendment only applies to ex-slaves, so that's nobody alive today.

There is so much wrong in that post, I don't know where to begin!

I'll sum it up with the statement that there is no way you ever passed a civics or government class in high school being that stupid.