Should PTSD patients be able to purchase weapons

[Mushroom]

More specifically veterans who receive a disability check. I think Whitehall believes they should be punished by having their guns taken away for getting a disability check.

So if I decide to file and get a check for my knee injury, they should take my gun away?

Insanity at it's finest.

 

[TheIceMan]

More specifically veterans who receive a disability check. I think Whitehall believes they should be punished by having their guns taken away for getting a disability check.

So if I decide to file and get a check for my knee injury, they should take my gun away?

Insanity at it's finest.

Get in line on the knee thing.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The registration doesn't appear to be making them any safer than the unregistered guns.

Law enforcement could be aware of stolen guns easier. The more data from a crime scene the better.

So since registration doesn't make cars safer now it's about having a list of guns for law enforcement. What is step one in confiscation?

I think it's "make a list."

Incorrect.

Just as a citizen cannot be disallowed possession of a firearm absent due process, so too must due process be recognized when government seeks to obtain private property pursuant to the 5th Amendment’s Takings Clause.

Even if the state has a list of registered firearms, it must first obtain a warrant before entering and searching a private dwelling for firearms, or any other private venue where firearms might be kept.

Moreover, should a firearm be taken by the state, the property owner has the right to challenge the state’s taking in a court of law.

Given this considerable and appropriate burden placed on the state, the notion of ‘gun confiscation’ is unwarranted demagoguery.

 

[TheIceMan]

The state does a lot of things it technically can't do based on public approval or outcry.

Watch an episode of Cops. Most of the takedowns/arrests are heavy-handed and excessive use of force. But it's okay because the public says "oh, it's only bad guys" and it's the media glorifying it.

Most people I know don't have the means to take on the state in a protracted legal battle. Cheaper to buy a gun.

And lastly, you might send your post to all the people that were in New Orleans after Katrina. Doesn't matter what the court said later if it even ever got to court. Those people were deprived of their personal firearms at the time they needed them.

 

[whitehall]

More specifically veterans who receive a disability check. I think Whitehall believes they should be punished by having their guns taken away for getting a disability check.

So if I decide to file and get a check for my knee injury, they should take my gun away?

Insanity at it's finest.

Think about it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Law enforcement could be aware of stolen guns easier. The more data from a crime scene the better.

So since registration doesn't make cars safer now it's about having a list of guns for law enforcement. What is step one in confiscation?

I think it's "make a list."

Incorrect.

Just as a citizen cannot be disallowed possession of a firearm absent due process, so too must due process be recognized when government seeks to obtain private property pursuant to the 5th Amendment’s Takings Clause.

Even if the state has a list of registered firearms, it must first obtain a warrant before entering and searching a private dwelling for firearms, or any other private venue where firearms might be kept.

Moreover, should a firearm be taken by the state, the property owner has the right to challenge the state’s taking in a court of law.

Given this considerable and appropriate burden placed on the state, the notion of ‘gun confiscation’ is unwarranted demagoguery.

You keep proving just how ******* stupid you are. They make the list first then ban the weapons later then confiscate using the list you allowed them to have.

 

[percysunshine]

I keep thinking of hurricane Katrina. The New Orleans police went door to door confiscating every ones fire arms. It was unconstitutional, but that did not stop them from doing it. They used PTSD as the reason.

 

[Mushroom]

I keep thinking of hurricane Katrina. The New Orleans police went door to door confiscating every ones fire arms. It was unconstitutional, but that did not stop them from doing it. They used PTSD as the reason.

No, they never claimed PTSD. Would love to see a reference where it was though.

And not only was that seizure declared illegal in a court of law, since then there have been not only laws passed in 24 states, but also a Federal Law ("Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006") which makes such seizures illegal.

But please, show us where the New Orleans Police Chief said it was done because of PTSD.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The state does a lot of things it technically can't do based on public approval or outcry.

Watch an episode of Cops. Most of the takedowns/arrests are heavy-handed and excessive use of force. But it's okay because the public says "oh, it's only bad guys" and it's the media glorifying it.

Most people I know don't have the means to take on the state in a protracted legal battle. Cheaper to buy a gun.

And lastly, you might send your post to all the people that were in New Orleans after Katrina. Doesn't matter what the court said later if it even ever got to court. Those people were deprived of their personal firearms at the time they needed them.

At least your posts are consistent in exhibiting your ignorance.

And referencing ‘Cops’ as some sort of ‘authority’ is truly idiotic.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I keep thinking of hurricane Katrina. The New Orleans police went door to door confiscating every ones fire arms. It was unconstitutional, but that did not stop them from doing it. They used PTSD as the reason.

There is no such thing as ‘instant gratification’ due process; in fact, there often must first be a Constitutional injury before a citizen might file suit in Federal court seeking relief.

Katrina is reaffirmation that due process and the rule of law work, where citizens successfully challenged the illegal acts of the state.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I'm pretty sure that the NRA is in favor of PTSD folks getting guns, and even should be given first priority over Bi-polar people... (but after NRA people, of course)

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So since registration doesn't make cars safer now it's about having a list of guns for law enforcement. What is step one in confiscation?

I think it's "make a list."

Incorrect.

Just as a citizen cannot be disallowed possession of a firearm absent due process, so too must due process be recognized when government seeks to obtain private property pursuant to the 5th Amendment’s Takings Clause.

Even if the state has a list of registered firearms, it must first obtain a warrant before entering and searching a private dwelling for firearms, or any other private venue where firearms might be kept.

Moreover, should a firearm be taken by the state, the property owner has the right to challenge the state’s taking in a court of law.

Given this considerable and appropriate burden placed on the state, the notion of ‘gun confiscation’ is unwarranted demagoguery.

You keep proving just how ******* stupid you are. They make the list first then ban the weapons later then confiscate using the list you allowed them to have.

As usual your post makes no sense – there is no ‘list,’ and any property taken is subject to a Takings Clause challenge.

‘Gun confiscation’ is a myth, it’s rightist demagoguery completely devoid of legal fact.

 

[percysunshine]

I keep thinking of hurricane Katrina. The New Orleans police went door to door confiscating every ones fire arms. It was unconstitutional, but that did not stop them from doing it. They used PTSD as the reason.

No, they never claimed PTSD. Would love to see a reference where it was though.

And not only was that seizure declared illegal in a court of law, since then there have been not only laws passed in 24 states, but also a Federal Law ("Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006") which makes such seizures illegal.

But please, show us where the New Orleans Police Chief said it was done because of PTSD.

Searched the archives. You are correct, he never used the term PTSD. Chief Compass only claimed people were panicked as a justification for confiscating guns.

FRONTLINE: law & disorder: interviews: eddie compass | PBS

http://www.nola.com/katrina/pages/092405/0924PAGEA03.pdf

.

 

[TheIceMan]

The state does a lot of things it technically can't do based on public approval or outcry.

Watch an episode of Cops. Most of the takedowns/arrests are heavy-handed and excessive use of force. But it's okay because the public says "oh, it's only bad guys" and it's the media glorifying it.

Most people I know don't have the means to take on the state in a protracted legal battle. Cheaper to buy a gun.

And lastly, you might send your post to all the people that were in New Orleans after Katrina. Doesn't matter what the court said later if it even ever got to court. Those people were deprived of their personal firearms at the time they needed them.

At least your posts are consistent in exhibiting your ignorance.

And referencing ‘Cops’ as some sort of ‘authority’ is truly idiotic.

So your "proof" of my ignorance is insulting me? Whatever.

I referenced Cops in a specific context where it fit quite well. Your removing the context to further insult me still proves nothing on your part except that you apparently believe that insults make good arguments.

I beg to differ, but you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[usmcstinger]

First of all I do not agree with the current administration's opinion that American Military Veterans should be suspected of engaging in domestic terrorism. I do, however, believe that Veterans who have been determined to be so psychotic that they are awarded a disability pension related to their mental disorder should never be able to legally possess or purchase a firearm unless their specific psychiatric veterans administrator signs off on each forearm.

They should be allowed to possess firearms until adjudicated mentally incompetent in accordance with due process.

The "due process" is easy if the federal government, which administers the qualifications for obtaining a mental disability related to Military service, simply issues an order that persons on PTSD mental disability pensions cannot purchase firearms. That's what the discussion is about. It's not the "how" but the "why".

You are a compete idiot and have no understanding of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
More often than not a person who is raped will suffer from PTSD. In your delusional world, a woman who has been raped should not be able to purchase a fire arm to protect herself.
The same would be true of of people who survived a plane crash, terrible car accident and and other traumatic experiences.

Every Veteran who served in Combat, from the WWI, WWII and the Korean War have or had PSTD.

PTSD results from an outside experience and is not a Psychiatric Disease. Bipolar disorder and Schizophrenia are the result of the genetic flaws contained within a person's body.

 

[anotherlife]

Yes, they should. Like everyone else. Then, before they shoot up their hoods, they will think twice about their PTSD's just in case others shoot back. HAHAHA

 

[September]

PTSD results from an outside experience and is not a Psychiatric Disease. Bipolar disorder and Schizophrenia are the result of the genetic flaws contained within a person's body.

I once cured a person from bipolar disorder by teaching her that through sheer force of will she could overcome it.

It was one of the first miracles I performed.

 

[September]

On subject though...

It takes a special breed of retarded to believe that those who suffer from PTSD should lose their rights to own firearms. If you feel threatened, intimidated, or "at risk" around veterans, armed or otherwise, go someplace else or change the way you believe.

And those who "suffer from PTSD" need to understand that alot of it is all in their head and they can overcome it through

*drumroll*

sheer force of willpower.

But... sometimes the "side effects" of certain medications can make such a thing incredibly difficult or seemingly impossible. It's worth a try though, to un-traumatize yourself... because nobody can do that for you except yourself.

 

[whitehall]

I keep thinking of hurricane Katrina. The New Orleans police went door to door confiscating every ones fire arms. It was unconstitutional, but that did not stop them from doing it. They used PTSD as the reason.

Say what? The NOPD were too busy looting shoe stores and the mayor was too busy saving his own ass to freaking get PTSD information from the government if it was available. Confiscation is different from preventing purchases.

 

[September]

I keep thinking of hurricane Katrina. The New Orleans police went door to door confiscating every ones fire arms. It was unconstitutional, but that did not stop them from doing it. They used PTSD as the reason.

Say what? The NOPD were too busy looting shoe stores and the mayor was too busy saving his own ass to freaking get PTSD information from the government if it was available. Confiscation is different from preventing purchases.

That's why you should always keep a few unregistered firearms as well as some registered ones. And plenty of gun parts.