Should Israel bomb Iran???

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

With US weapons, used illegally.

Illegally?

 

[Rigby5]

Palestine was 95% Arab Muslim in 1930.

And Israel is less than 95% Arab Muslim.

Almost all the Jews in Israel are there illegally.

Post the law they broke.

They also know they never paid for the property they occupy.

Darn, only Muslims can do they, eh?

So they all know they are criminals.

LOL!

And attacking criminals (while they are committing their crimes), can never be terrorism.

Killing terrorists isn't a crime. Even if they're in Gaza and hide behind civilians.

Suicide bombing is a noble act of desperation against a more power but evil and criminal foe.

And you know that....because you're an evil twat.

That is true that the Jewish population of Israel/Palestine greatly increases in the 1930s and later.
But Israel/Palestine has never been more than 30% Jewish, so it is an evil dictatorship of a minority ruling over the majority.
And even if Jews were the majority, it is always evil and wrong to create a religious state.

The laws Jews violated by immigrating in such large numbers, were the immigration limits the International Zionist Congress agreed to in 1920 and 1923 Carlsbad convention. They became the law in Palestine and were legally enforced by the British peacekeepers until the Zionist terrorist murdered them all by blowing up the King David Hotel.

The Muslims had all paid for any land they occupied, long ago.
But these recent immigrant Jews did not.
That is hundreds of billions owed to the rightful Arab land owners.

The terrorist are the IDF, Mossad, etc., that constantly murder innocent people.
There is supposed to be no Israeli presence in Jerusalem or the West Bank.

Jerusalem is not the traditional capital of a Jewish state.
The real Jewish states only existed from about 1000 BC to 780 BC, and there were 3 separate ones, Judea, Israel, and Sumaria.
And we have no idea where their capitals were, because later owners of the land, like the Assyrians, Babylonians, etc. wiped out any trace.
The fake Jewish state the Romans created around 150 BC, was not really Jewish.
King Herod was a Roman who merely pretended to convert to Judaism.

 

[surada]

That is true that the Jewish population of Israel/Palestine greatly increases in the 1930s and later.
But Israel/Palestine has never been more than 30% Jewish, so it is an evil dictatorship of a minority ruling over the majority.
And even if Jews were the majority, it is always evil and wrong to create a religious state.

The laws Jews violated by immigrating in such large numbers, were the immigration limits the International Zionist Congress agreed to in 1920 and 1923 Carlsbad convention. They became the law in Palestine and were legally enforced by the British peacekeepers until the Zionist terrorist murdered them all by blowing up the King David Hotel.

The Muslims had all paid for any land they occupied, long ago.
But these recent immigrant Jews did not.
That is hundreds of billions owed to the rightful Arab land owners.

The terrorist are the IDF, Mossad, etc., that constantly murder innocent people.
There is supposed to be no Israeli presence in Jerusalem or the West Bank.

Jerusalem is not the traditional capital of a Jewish state.
The real Jewish states only existed from about 1000 BC to 780 BC, and there were 3 separate ones, Judea, Israel, and Sumaria.
And we have no idea where their capitals were, because later owners of the land, like the Assyrians, Babylonians, etc. wiped out any trace.
The fake Jewish state the Romans created around 150 BC, was not really Jewish.
King Herod was a Roman who merely pretended to convert to Judaism.

Herod was and Edomite. They were forced to convert about 126 BC.

Take a look at the dates ..

 

[BS Filter]

Doesn't matter if the arabs are defeated 100 times. They will try again.
All that Israel has to do is lose 1 time and it's game over. ...

Israel isn't going to lose. Read your Bible. You picked the losing team. Still time to get right with God.

 

[Rigby5]

Illegally?

When the US congress ratified the UN Charter in 1945, it became US law.
And it essentially says that the use of military force is no longer legal except in immediate defense if attacked.
All other conflict by law had to be resolved through the UN.
And the US had agreed to the UN resolution forbidding arming either side of the antagonists in the Palestine question.
So the US armed the Zionists in secret, like with B-17s, P-51s, M-4 Shermans, etc, But it was still illegal according to US law.
It actually is still illegal for the US to arm Israel, since Israel is still in violation of hundreds of UN resolutions.

The problem is the US never really cared about the UN except its initial purpose, which was to create Israel in the first place.
According to US law, the invasion of Iraq was totally illegal, because it was not immediate defense.
Without a first attack by Iraq, or a UN agreement, the US could not legally attack Iraq.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That is true that the Jewish population of Israel/Palestine greatly increases in the 1930s and later.
But Israel/Palestine has never been more than 30% Jewish, so it is an evil dictatorship of a minority ruling over the majority.
And even if Jews were the majority, it is always evil and wrong to create a religious state.

The laws Jews violated by immigrating in such large numbers, were the immigration limits the International Zionist Congress agreed to in 1920 and 1923 Carlsbad convention. They became the law in Palestine and were legally enforced by the British peacekeepers until the Zionist terrorist murdered them all by blowing up the King David Hotel.

The Muslims had all paid for any land they occupied, long ago.
But these recent immigrant Jews did not.
That is hundreds of billions owed to the rightful Arab land owners.

The terrorist are the IDF, Mossad, etc., that constantly murder innocent people.
There is supposed to be no Israeli presence in Jerusalem or the West Bank.

Jerusalem is not the traditional capital of a Jewish state.
The real Jewish states only existed from about 1000 BC to 780 BC, and there were 3 separate ones, Judea, Israel, and Sumaria.
And we have no idea where their capitals were, because later owners of the land, like the Assyrians, Babylonians, etc. wiped out any trace.
The fake Jewish state the Romans created around 150 BC, was not really Jewish.
King Herod was a Roman who merely pretended to convert to Judaism.

And even if Jews were the majority, it is always evil and wrong to create a religious state.

As soon as you rid the world of all the evil Muslim states, then we should discuss Israel.

But Israel/Palestine has never been more than 30% Jewish

You counting world-wide "Palestinians" again?

The laws Jews violated by immigrating in such large numbers, were the immigration limits the International Zionist Congress agreed to in 1920 and 1923 Carlsbad convention.

Limits? You said it was a law. You lied. Again.

They became the law in Palestine

So post the law.

The Muslims had all paid for any land they occupied, long ago.

You're lying. They were famous for being tax deadbeats. And rent deadbeats.

There is supposed to be no Israeli presence in Jerusalem or the West Bank.

Because it makes you sad? LOL!

Jerusalem is not the traditional capital of a Jewish state.

Well then multiply that by 100 for Jerusalem never being the capital of a Muslim state.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When the US congress ratified the UN Charter in 1945, it became US law.

Liar.

 

[Rigby5]

Herod was and Edomite. They were forced to convert about 126 BC.

Take a look at the dates ..

That is true Herod was not ethnically Roman, but he was a Roman citizen and owed his allegiance to Rome.
He was not ethnically Hebrew or Jewish by belief.
He was a fake Roman puppet and Edomites hated Jews.

{...
Because they were close relatives, the Israelites were forbidden to hate the Edomites (Deuteronomy 23:7). However, the Edomites regularly attacked Israel, and many wars were fought as a result. King Saul fought against the Edomites, and King David subjugated them, establishing military garrisons in Edom. With control over Edomite territory, Israel had access to the port of Ezion-Geber on the Red Sea, from which King Solomon sent out many expeditions. After the reign of Solomon, the Edomites revolted and had some freedom until they were subdued by the Assyrians under Tiglath-pileser.

During the Maccabean wars, the Edomites were subjugated by the Jews and forced to convert to Judaism. Through it all, the Edomites maintained much of their old hatred for the Jews. When Greek became the common language, the Edomites were called Idumaeans. With the rise of the Roman Empire, an Idumaean whose father had converted to Judaism was named king of Judea. That Idumaean is known in history as King Herod the Great, the tyrant who ordered a massacre in Bethlehem in an attempt to kill the Christ child (Matthew 2:16-18).
...}

 

[Rigby5]

Liar.

{...
The Purposes of the United Nations are:

1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

...}

By congress ratifying this, it made aggressive war illegal.
Only immediate defense was the only legal time force can be used now.

 

[Rigby5]

And even if Jews were the majority, it is always evil and wrong to create a religious state.

As soon as you rid the world of all the evil Muslim states, then we should discuss Israel.

But Israel/Palestine has never been more than 30% Jewish

You counting world-wide "Palestinians" again?

The laws Jews violated by immigrating in such large numbers, were the immigration limits the International Zionist Congress agreed to in 1920 and 1923 Carlsbad convention.

Limits? You said it was a law. You lied. Again.

They became the law in Palestine

So post the law.

The Muslims had all paid for any land they occupied, long ago.

You're lying. They were famous for being tax deadbeats. And rent deadbeats.

There is supposed to be no Israeli presence in Jerusalem or the West Bank.

Because it makes you sad? LOL!

Jerusalem is not the traditional capital of a Jewish state.

Well then multiply that by 100 for Jerusalem never being the capital of a Muslim state.

There are not Muslim states.
Sharia is actually Judaic law, and only applies to domestic and family disputes.
All Arab states have secular laws.

 

[georgephillip]

So the US armed the Zionists in secret, like with B-17s, P-51s, M-4 Shermans, etc, But it was still illegal according to US law.
It actually is still illegal for the US to arm Israel, since Israel is still in violation of hundreds of UN resolutions

Not to mention the Symington Amendment:

Symington Amendment - Wikipedia

"The Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 was amended by the Symington Amendment (Section 669 of the FAA) in 1976.

"It banned U.S. economic, and military assistance, and export credits to countries that deliver or receive, acquire or transfer nuclear enrichment technology when they do not comply with IAEA regulations and inspections."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There are not Muslim states.

Iran isn't a Muslim state?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

{...
The Purposes of the United Nations are:

1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

...}

By congress ratifying this, it made aggressive war illegal.
Only immediate defense was the only legal time force can be used now.

By congress ratifying this, it made aggressive war illegal.

Wow! Sounds serious!!

So no proof it's illegal?

 

[August West]

Be good if we could avoid bombing things/people and not use the notion of it so flippantly.

Regardless of who it is.

For sure. We haven`t had much success in the 30+ countries we`ve bombed since the end of WW2.

Countries bombed by the United States, 1946—2020

www.maurer.ca

 

[Rigby5]

...

But Israel/Palestine has never been more than 30% Jewish

You counting world-wide "Palestinians" again?
...

You have to count Palestinians who were forced to flee the genocidal attack on Arab villages like Dier Yassin during the 1940s.
International law demands their right of return.
Jews have no right of return because Jerusalem was never legally theirs.
It legally was the Land of Canaan.

 

[Rigby5]

...

The laws Jews violated by immigrating in such large numbers, were the immigration limits the International Zionist Congress agreed to in 1920 and 1923 Carlsbad convention.

Limits? You said it was a law. You lied. Again.

They became the law in Palestine

So post the law.

,,,

I am not going to look for 1930 Palestine immigration law, and should not have to.
Since the British were enforcing immigration limits that they would have no reason to do unless it was the law, you have to agree there were immigration limits and Jews were violating them.

But this from the Jewish Virtual Library should be sufficient for anyone.
{...
Herbert Samuel, a British Jew who served as the first High Commissioner of Palestine, placed restrictions on Jewish immigration “in the ‘interests of the present population’ and the ‘ absorptive capacity’ of the country.”1 The influx of Jewish settlers was said to be forcing the Arab fellahin (native peasants) from their land. This was at a time when less than a million people lived in an area that now supports more than six million.
...

By 1949, however, the British had allotted 87,500 acres of the 187,500 acres of cultivable land to Arabs and only 4,250 acres to Jews.2

This made for Jewish aquistion of immigration certificates extremely difficult. As the world entered the second world war, requests for entry were difficult to accomdate to Jews all over the world. Correspondence between governing officials in Palestine and Greek Jewish authority demonstrate the sheer inflexibility.
...
The British response to Jewish immigration set a precedent of appeasing the Arabs, which was followed for the duration of the Mandate. The British placed restrictions on Jewish immigration
...​

In 1915, approximately 83,000 Jews lived in Palestine among 590,000 Muslim and Christian Arabs. According to the 1922 census, the Jewish population was 84,000, while the Arabs numbered 643,000.4​

...}

 

[Rigby5]

...

The Muslims had all paid for any land they occupied, long ago.

You're lying. They were famous for being tax deadbeats. And rent deadbeats.

...

Wrong.
All the land had been owned by Arabs long before the Ottoman invasion around 1500.
The Arabs did not pay rent because there were not landlords.
They paid taxes to the Ottoman Empire instead.

 

[surada]

And even if Jews were the majority, it is always evil and wrong to create a religious state.

As soon as you rid the world of all the evil Muslim states, then we should discuss Israel.

But Israel/Palestine has never been more than 30% Jewish

You counting world-wide "Palestinians" again?

The laws Jews violated by immigrating in such large numbers, were the immigration limits the International Zionist Congress agreed to in 1920 and 1923 Carlsbad convention.

Limits? You said it was a law. You lied. Again.

They became the law in Palestine

So post the law.

The Muslims had all paid for any land they occupied, long ago.

You're lying. They were famous for being tax deadbeats. And rent deadbeats.

There is supposed to be no Israeli presence in Jerusalem or the West Bank.

Because it makes you sad? LOL!

Jerusalem is not the traditional capital of a Jewish state.

Well then multiply that by 100 for Jerusalem never being the capital of a Muslim state.

Are you really interested in this subject? If so you should read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin Tudela.. There were VERY few Jews in Palestine. Most had moved to Arab countries or North Africa.

 

[Rigby5]

...

There is supposed to be no Israeli presence in Jerusalem or the West Bank.

Because it makes you sad? LOL!

Jerusalem is not the traditional capital of a Jewish state.

Well then multiply that by 100 for Jerusalem never being the capital of a Muslim state.

Wrong.
The UN partition of 1948 was what the British Mandate for Palestine Peel Commission had recommended.
It is the only legal partition at all, and if not accepted, then Israel does not legally exist at all.

And while it is true Jerusalem was ruled from other Muslim cities, like Cairo or Damascus after Mohammed, before Mohammed, Jerusalem had been the capital of many Arab countries.
And there is no evidence left of Jerusalem ever being a Jewish capital.
It could all be myth for all we know, and that actually is most likely.

 

[Rigby5]

Iran isn't a Muslim state?

Nope.
Iran has secular laws.

Many Moslem countries has both Sharia law and secular law, and Sharia is mostly used for domestic disputes.

{...
Since the early Islamic states of the eighth and ninth centuries, Sharia always existed alongside other normative systems.[1]

Historically, sharia was interpreted by independent jurists (muftis), based on Islamic scriptural sources and various legal methodologies.[2] In the modern era, statutes inspired by European codes replaced traditional laws in most parts of the Muslim world, with classical sharia rules retained mainly in personal status (family) laws.[2][3] These laws were codified by legislative bodies which sought to modernize them without abandoning their foundations in traditional jurisprudence.[2][4] The Islamic revival of the late 20th century brought along calls by Islamist movements for full implementation of sharia, including hudud capital punishments, such as stoning, which in some cases resulted in traditionalist legal reform.[2][4] Some countries with Muslim minorities use sharia-based laws to regulate marriage, inheritance and other personal affairs of their Muslim population.
..

Types of legal systems[edit]​

The legal systems of Muslim countries may be grouped as: mixed systems, classical sharia systems, and secular systems.[22]

Classical sharia systems[edit]​

Under this system, shared by a small minority of modern countries, classical sharia is formally equated with national law and to a great extent provides its substance. The state has a ruler who functions as the highest judiciary and may promulgate and modify laws in some legal domains, but traditional religious scholars (ulama) play a decisive role in interpreting sharia. The classical sharia system is exemplified by Saudi Arabia and some other Gulf states. Iran shares many of the same features, but also possesses characteristics of mixed legal systems, such as a parliament and codified laws.[22]

Secular systems[edit]​

Secular systems are those where sharia plays no role in the nation's legal system and religious interference in state affairs, politics, and law is not permitted. Turkey has been an example of a Muslim-majority nation with a secular system, although its secularism has recently come under intense pressure. Several states in West Africa and Central Asia also describe themselves as secular.[22]

Mixed systems[edit]​

Most Muslim countries have mixed legal systems that postulate a constitution and Rule of Law, while also allowing rules of traditional Islamic jurisprudence to influence certain areas of national law. These systems possess large bodies of codified laws, which may be based on European or Indian codes. In these systems, the central legislative role is played by politicians and modern jurists rather than traditional religious scholars. Pakistan, Egypt, Malaysia, and Nigeria are examples of states having mixed systems.[22] Some countries with Muslim minorities, such as Israel, also have mixed systems that administer Sharia for their Muslim population.[23]

Domains of application[edit]​

Constitutional law[edit]​

Most Muslim-majority countries incorporate sharia at some level in their legal framework. Their constitutions commonly refer to sharia as a source or the main source of law, though these references are not in themselves indicative of how much the legal system is influenced by sharia, and whether the influence has a traditionalist or modernist character.[2][8] The same constitutions usually also refer to universal principles such as democracy and human rights, leaving it up to legislators and the judiciary to work out how these norms are to be reconciled in practice.[24] Conversely, some countries (e.g., Algeria), whose constitution does not mention sharia, possess sharia-based family laws.[8] Nisrine Abiad identifies Bahrain, Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia as states with "strong constitutional consequences" of sharia "on the organization and functioning of power".[25]

Family law[edit]​

Except for secular systems, Muslim-majority countries possess sharia-based family laws (marriage, inheritance, etc.). These laws generally reflect influence of various modern-era reforms and tend to be characterized by ambiguity, with traditional and modernist interpretations often manifesting themselves in the same country, both in legislation and court decisions. In some countries (e.g., Nigeria), people can choose whether to pursue a case in a sharia or secular court.[24]

Criminal law[edit]​

Countries in the Muslim world generally have criminal codes influenced by French law or common law, and in some cases a combination of Western legal traditions. Saudi Arabia has never adopted a criminal code and Saudi judges still follow traditional Hanbali jurisprudence. In the course of Islamization campaigns, several countries (Libya, Pakistan, Iran, Sudan, Mauritania, and Yemen) inserted Islamic criminal laws into their penal codes, which were otherwise based on Western models. In some countries only hudud penalties were added, while others also enacted provisions for qisas (law of retaliation) and diya (monetary compensation). Iran subsequently issued a new "Islamic Penal Code". The criminal codes of Afghanistan and United Arab Emirates contain a general provision that certain crimes are to be punished according to Sharia, without specifying the penalties. Some Nigerian states have also enacted Islamic criminal laws. Laws in the Indonesian province of Aceh provide for application of discretionary (ta'zir) punishments for violation of Islamic norms, but explicitly exclude hudud and qisas.[26] Brunei has been implementing a "Sharia Penal Code", which includes provisions for stoning and amputation, in stages since 2014.[27][28] The countries where hudud penalties are legal do not use stoning and amputation routinely, and generally apply other punishments instead.[2][24][29]
...}

Application of Sharia by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org