Should Israel bomb Iran???

[Toddsterpatriot]

Incredibly ignorant.
Jews ARE all Arabs, or at least they are if they are really Jews?

You're right.....Muslim Arabs are stupid.

 

[Rigby5]

And Lebanon. And part of Saudi Arabia. Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.
So why are they still whining over the sliver that's Israel?

Because it does not belong to the recent illegal European immigrants.
It belongs to the Palestinians who have always lived there.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sure.

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That is because you have to count the Arab in Israel, Gaza, the West Bank, refugee camps in Lebanon, refugee camps in Jordan, refugee camps in Syria, etc.
The fact Israel won't allow Palestinians who left to avoid the 1948 violence come back, is a war crime.

{...
Despite various wars and exoduses (such as that of 1948), roughly one half of the world's Palestinian population continues to reside in historic Palestine, the area encompassing the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and Israel.[46] In this combined area, as of 2005, Palestinians constituted 49% of all inhabitants,[47] encompassing the entire population of the Gaza Strip (1.865 million),[48] the majority of the population of the West Bank (approximately 2,785,000 versus about 600,000 Jewish Israeli citizens, which includes about 200,000 in East Jerusalem) and almost 21% of the population of Israel proper as Arab citizens of Israel.[49][50] Many are Palestinian refugees or internally displaced Palestinians, including more than a million in the Gaza Strip,[51] about 750,000 in the West Bank[52] and about 250,000 in Israel proper. Of the Palestinian population who live abroad, known as the Palestinian diaspora, more than half are stateless, lacking citizenship in any country.[53] Between 2.1 and 3.24 million of the diaspora population live as refugees in neighboring Jordan,[54][55] over 1 million live between Syria and Lebanon and about 750,000 live in Saudi Arabia, with Chile's half a million representing the largest concentration outside the Middle East.

Palestinian Christians and Muslims constituted 90% of the population of Palestine in 1919, just before the third wave of Jewish immigration under the post-WW1 British Mandatory Authority,[56][57] opposition to which spurred the consolidation of a unified national identity, fragmented as it was by regional, class, religious and family differences.[58][59] The history of the Palestinian national identity is a disputed issue amongst scholars.[60][61] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by Palestinian Arabs from the late 19th century, albeit in a limited way until World War I.[42][43] The dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and creation of Mandatory Palestine replaced Ottoman citizenship with Palestinian citizenship, solidifying a national identity. After the creation of the State of Israel, the exodus of 1948 and more so after the exodus of 1967, the term evolved into a sense of a shared future in the form of aspirations for a significantly-reduced Palestinian state.[42] Palestinian identity encompasses the heritage of all ages from biblical times up to the Ottoman period.[62]
...}

That is because you have to count the Arab in Israel, Gaza, the West Bank, refugee camps in Lebanon, refugee camps in Jordan, refugee camps in Syria, etc.

Why would you count Arabs who never lived in Israel as "in Israel"?
And why would you count 2 million Palestinians in Jordan?
And even all those don't add up to 12 million.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because it does not belong to the recent illegal European immigrants.

It belongs to the Jews. Even the ones from Europe.
Illegal?
That always makes me laugh.

 

[healthmyths]

Wrong to bring up.
If the Jewish Old Quarter had not illegally started shooting, then there would have been no blockade.
There was no legal purpose for convoys to Jerusalem.
They were illegally bringing in troops and weapons.
Al-Qastal, a village two kilometers north of Deir Yassin, is not Dier Yassin, and nothing justified the illegal attack on Dier Yassin.
Nor was it legal to attack any village in the road to Jerusalem, since it was NOT on the Israeli side of the official UN partition.
Nor does any of that explain why hundreds of Arab villages from the 1947 maps disappeared?
Nor does it explain why all those from Dier Yassin were killed? When did the Geneva convention start allowing captured civilians to be executed?

Says WHO???? YOU???? Don't believe a word you make up!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sure.

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That is because you have to count the Arab in Israel, Gaza, the West Bank, refugee camps in Lebanon, refugee camps in Jordan, refugee camps in Syria, etc.
The fact Israel won't allow Palestinians who left to avoid the 1948 violence come back, is a war crime.

{...
Despite various wars and exoduses (such as that of 1948), roughly one half of the world's Palestinian population continues to reside in historic Palestine, the area encompassing the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and Israel.[46] In this combined area, as of 2005, Palestinians constituted 49% of all inhabitants,[47] encompassing the entire population of the Gaza Strip (1.865 million),[48] the majority of the population of the West Bank (approximately 2,785,000 versus about 600,000 Jewish Israeli citizens, which includes about 200,000 in East Jerusalem) and almost 21% of the population of Israel proper as Arab citizens of Israel.[49][50] Many are Palestinian refugees or internally displaced Palestinians, including more than a million in the Gaza Strip,[51] about 750,000 in the West Bank[52] and about 250,000 in Israel proper. Of the Palestinian population who live abroad, known as the Palestinian diaspora, more than half are stateless, lacking citizenship in any country.[53] Between 2.1 and 3.24 million of the diaspora population live as refugees in neighboring Jordan,[54][55] over 1 million live between Syria and Lebanon and about 750,000 live in Saudi Arabia, with Chile's half a million representing the largest concentration outside the Middle East.

Palestinian Christians and Muslims constituted 90% of the population of Palestine in 1919, just before the third wave of Jewish immigration under the post-WW1 British Mandatory Authority,[56][57] opposition to which spurred the consolidation of a unified national identity, fragmented as it was by regional, class, religious and family differences.[58][59] The history of the Palestinian national identity is a disputed issue amongst scholars.[60][61] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by Palestinian Arabs from the late 19th century, albeit in a limited way until World War I.[42][43] The dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and creation of Mandatory Palestine replaced Ottoman citizenship with Palestinian citizenship, solidifying a national identity. After the creation of the State of Israel, the exodus of 1948 and more so after the exodus of 1967, the term evolved into a sense of a shared future in the form of aspirations for a significantly-reduced Palestinian state.[42] Palestinian identity encompasses the heritage of all ages from biblical times up to the Ottoman period.[62]
...}

The fact Israel won't allow Palestinians who left to avoid the 1948 violence come back, is a war crime.

LOL!

 

[Rigby5]

Illegally? Why do you feel that?

The weapons the US government gives Israel are illegal if used to harm civilians like in Gaza, the West Bank, or even in Israel.
The Israeli blockade of civilian commerce to Palestine is totally against the Geneva Conventions. As a signature of the UN charter, it is illegal for the US to send weapons to a country like Israel that has hundreds of UN resolutions condemning its crimes, brutality, theft, murder, land grabs, etc.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The weapons the US government gives Israel are illegal if used to harm civilians like in Gaza,

What if they use them to harm terrorists in Gaza?

it is illegal for the US to send weapons to a country like Israel that has hundreds of UN resolutions condemning its crimes, brutality, theft, murder, land grabs, etc.

Illegal according to which law? Post it.

 

[Rigby5]

Says WHO???? YOU???? Don't believe a word you make up!

There are thousands of sources about how Zionists murdered native Palestinians and took their homes.

Israel's Side Missing From Story on Palestinian Village

NPR ran a story about a Palestinian village nearly surrounded by Israeli settlements that claimed Israeli mistreatment. But didn't get Israel's side of the story.

www.npr.org

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Israel's Side Missing From Story on Palestinian Village​

ALICIA C. SHEPARD
A Palestinian elder in the village of Walaja is sitting by the only spring talking with an NPR correspondent. His village is nearly surrounded by Israeli settlements.*
He tells NPR's correspondent Lourdes Garcia-Navarro that Israelis captured his village in 1948, pushing his people across the valley and into caves. After the 1967 war, he said, land was taken, houses demolished and Jewish settlements began to spring up.
Walaja is a tiny Palestinian village on the southern edge of greater Jerusalem – in an area Israel captured from Jordan during the 1967 war.
Another villager weighs in about the impact of a barrier through Walaja that Israel is building to separate its citizens from Palestinians.

"All this area in front of you here is going to be confiscated by the Israelis," Nadia Awadalah says through a translator. "It includes graveyards – a graveyard here to your right and a graveyard here to your left. There's also a spring of water from which the whole village gets its water. They want to include it in the area which they want to confiscate."

The four-minute Morning Edition story on Jan. 20 attempted to share what life is like for Palestinians living near where Israel has built large settlements for Jews and is building what it calls a security barrier. It's hard not to feel enormous sympathy for these Palestinians.
...}

By Making Palestinian Villages Invisible, Google and Apple Maps Facilitate Their Demolition

Omission of long-standing Palestinian villages from maps gives Israel the power to expand its illegal settlements.

truthout.org

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By Making Palestinian Villages Invisible, Google and Apple Maps Facilitate Their Demolition​

BYDavid Palumbo-Liu, TruthoutPUBLISHEDDecember 21, 2016

With President-elect Donald Trump’s announcement that he is nominating David Friedman to fill the post of US ambassador to Israel — a person who has declared a two-state solution to be a “suicidal peace” with “radical Islamists” and who has accused American Jews who support such a measure of being no better than Nazis — concern that further demolitions will follow under the Trump regime has added more urgency to ongoing efforts to save Palestinian villages from being demolished.

The current struggle to demand that the Israeli government, Google and Apple Maps acknowledge and mark the existence of Palestinian villages, such as Susya, is a rare instance in which US politicians have stood up to Israel in a meaningful way.

For many years, Israel has been intent on demolishing the Palestinian village of Susya and displacing its 300 some residents. This act of dispossession has attracted some unlikely opponents.

Through a series of letters, since 2015, California Sen. Dianne Feinstein, well known for her ardent support of Israel, has opposed the demolitions in a debate with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-California) also recently drew attention to this issue. She wrote to Secretary of State John Kerry, urging him “to take immediate action to prevent the demolition of the Palestinian village of Susiya,” and — according to Rabbi Arik Ascherman, co-founder of the Israeli interfaith human rights NGO Haqel (The Field) — also conveyed GPS data files to Google so that it could place hundreds of missing Palestinian villages on its maps. Similarly, Rep. Mike Honda (D-California) asked Apple to make those villages visible on its maps.

Why are these mainstream liberal politicians suddenly so interested in this tiny village, and why do they see these hi-tech maps as so crucial?

As Feinstein notes in her July 28, 2015, letter to Netanyahu:

The village has existed in the South Hebron Hills at least since the 1830s … the residents have made good-faith efforts to inhabit their homes legally. For instance, in October 2013, the ICA [Israeli Civil Administration] rejected a proposed master plan drafted with the support of an Israeli NGO, Rabbis for Human Rights, which would have allowed [Susya’s] residents to build homes legally and connect to the available water and power grids…. Demolishing civilian structures and displacing innocent families … undermines Israel’s security and isolates it from the community of nations.

However, this argument does not seem to bear much force in relation to the decision-making of Israeli politicians.

It’s clear that so long as Israel denies these permits, making the structures permanently illegal, it can claim to “lawfully” demolish these villages and in many cases continue its expansion of Jewish settlements. The US State Department — and indeed, the world community — recognizes these settlements as illegal and as an obstacle to peace. Israel’s recent response has been to unilaterally declare them “legal.” We can see this battle, then, as part of a diplomatic war over what is actually legal and what is deemed to be so by one of the protagonists for their self-interest alone.
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[Rigby5]

What if they use them to harm terrorists in Gaza?

it is illegal for the US to send weapons to a country like Israel that has hundreds of UN resolutions condemning its crimes, brutality, theft, murder, land grabs, etc.

Illegal according to which law? Post it.

{...
United Nations General Assembly Resolution 194 is a resolution adopted near the end of the 1947–1949 Palestine war. The Resolution defines principles for reaching a final settlement and returning Palestine refugees to their homes. Article 11 of the resolution resolves that

refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.[1]

The resolution also calls for the establishment of the United Nations Conciliation Commission to facilitate peace between Israel and Arab states, continuing the efforts of UN Mediator Folke Bernadotte, following his assassination.[2]

Of the 58 members of the United Nations at that time, the resolution was adopted by a majority of 35 countries, with 15 voting against and 8 abstaining. The six Arab League countries then represented at the UN, who were also involved in the war, voted against the resolution. The other significant group which voted against comprised the Communist bloc member countries,[3] all of which had already recognized Israel as a de jure state. Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. Palestinian representatives likewise rejected Resolution 194.[4]

The resolution, especially Article 11, was cited in United Nations General Assembly Resolution 302 establishing the UNRWA and other UN resolutions. It has been argued that the resolution enshrines a right of return for the Palestinian refugees,[5] a claim that Israel disputes.
...}

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 194 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

{...
United Nations General Assembly Resolution 194 is a resolution adopted near the end of the 1947–1949 Palestine war. The Resolution defines principles for reaching a final settlement and returning Palestine refugees to their homes. Article 11 of the resolution resolves that


The resolution also calls for the establishment of the United Nations Conciliation Commission to facilitate peace between Israel and Arab states, continuing the efforts of UN Mediator Folke Bernadotte, following his assassination.[2]

Of the 58 members of the United Nations at that time, the resolution was adopted by a majority of 35 countries, with 15 voting against and 8 abstaining. The six Arab League countries then represented at the UN, who were also involved in the war, voted against the resolution. The other significant group which voted against comprised the Communist bloc member countries,[3] all of which had already recognized Israel as a de jure state. Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. Palestinian representatives likewise rejected Resolution 194.[4]

The resolution, especially Article 11, was cited in United Nations General Assembly Resolution 302 establishing the UNRWA and other UN resolutions. It has been argued that the resolution enshrines a right of return for the Palestinian refugees,[5] a claim that Israel disputes.
...}

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 194 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Resolution 194

You lied. You said it was a law.

 

[Rigby5]

What if they use them to harm terrorists in Gaza?

it is illegal for the US to send weapons to a country like Israel that has hundreds of UN resolutions condemning its crimes, brutality, theft, murder, land grabs, etc.

Illegal according to which law? Post it.

It is impossible for anyone in Gaza to be a "terrorist".
All those in Israel who got there illegally or took property without paying for it, is a criminal and know it.
And those who attack criminals can't be terrorists.
But clearly Israel is repeatedly guilty of terrorism.
Collective retribution is the definition of terrorism.

 

[Rigby5]

Resolution 194

You lied. You said it was a law.

The US also has laws making it illegal to arm those in violation of UN resolutions, the UN resolution become US law because Congress ratified the UN charter, there are US laws against aiding murder and theft in other countries, etc. There are hundreds of laws. But a UN resolution should be sufficient for anyone who knows anything about law.

 

[surada]

Israel 'Ready to Attack Iran' as Defense Minister Says 'We Need to Take Military Action'​

Israel 'Ready to Attack Iran' as Defense Minister Says 'We Need to Take Military Action'

So who's side will Biden be on?
Remember Biden wants to re-instate the deal that Trump tattered!

The Biden administration wants to finalize a deal with Iran to reenter the tattered 2015 nuclear deal within the next six weeks, all before the new Iranian new president-elect, Conservative judiciary chief Ebrahim Raisi is inaugurated, according to a new report from Axios.

Biden Rushing To Reenter Iran Nuke Deal By August

The Biden administration wants to finalize a deal with Iran to reenter the tattered 2015 nuclear deal within the next six weeks, all before the new Iranian new president-elect, Conservative judiciary chief Ebrahim Raisi is inaugurated, according to a new report from Axios.

floridianpress.com

All of this while Biden continues to encourage the southern border illegal Covid immigrants!

Nope.. Israel wants the US to attack Iran.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It is impossible for anyone in Gaza to be a "terrorist".
All those in Israel who got there illegally or took property without paying for it, is a criminal and know it.
And those who attack criminals can't be terrorists.
But clearly Israel is repeatedly guilty of terrorism.
Collective retribution is the definition of terrorism.

It is impossible for anyone in Gaza to be a "terrorist".

You're lying.

All those in Israel who got there illegally or took property without paying for it, is a criminal and know it.

How did they "get there illegally"?
Took property from who, the deadbeat Arab squatters? LOL!

And those who attack criminals can't be terrorists.

Sure they can. I can't walk into the Metropolitan Correctional Center and start attacking inmates.
I can't fire rockets at the Cook County Jail.

Collective retribution is the definition of terrorism.

What about firing unguided rockets at civilians? Terrorism?
Suicide bombing? Terrorism?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The US also has laws making it illegal to arm those in violation of UN resolutions, the UN resolution become US law because Congress ratified the UN charter, there are US laws against aiding murder and theft in other countries, etc. There are hundreds of laws. But a UN resolution should be sufficient for anyone who knows anything about law.

The US also has laws making it illegal to arm those in violation of UN resolutions,

So post them.

the UN resolution become US law because Congress ratified the UN charter

You're confused.

there are US laws against aiding murder and theft in other countries,

But enough about Muslims.

There are hundreds of laws.

Post two.

But a UN resolution should be sufficient for anyone who knows anything about law.

That's funny.

 

[Rigby5]

It is impossible for anyone in Gaza to be a "terrorist".

You're lying.

All those in Israel who got there illegally or took property without paying for it, is a criminal and know it.

How did they "get there illegally"?
Took property from who, the deadbeat Arab squatters? LOL!

And those who attack criminals can't be terrorists.

Sure they can. I can't walk into the Metropolitan Correctional Center and start attacking inmates.
I can't fire rockets at the Cook County Jail.

Collective retribution is the definition of terrorism.

What about firing unguided rockets at civilians? Terrorism?
Suicide bombing? Terrorism?

Palestine was 95% Arab Muslim in 1930.
Almost all the Jews in Israel are there illegally.
They also know they never paid for the property they occupy.
So they all know they are criminals.
And attacking criminals (while they are committing their crimes), can never be terrorism.
Terrorism is when you illegally try to intimidate innocent civilians with violence.
Palestinians are legally trying to intimidate criminals into stopping their crimes.

Suicide bombing is a noble act of desperation against a more power but evil and criminal foe.
There essentially are no civilians in Israel, since everyone there is knowingly aiding a criminal occupation.

 

[Rigby5]

The US also has laws making it illegal to arm those in violation of UN resolutions,

So post them.

the UN resolution become US law because Congress ratified the UN charter

You're confused.

there are US laws against aiding murder and theft in other countries,

But enough about Muslims.

There are hundreds of laws.

Post two.

But a UN resolution should be sufficient for anyone who knows anything about law.

That's funny.

Conspiring with Israel to harm Palestinians violates many US laws.

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18 U.S. Code § 956 - Conspiracy to kill, kidnap, maim, or injure persons or damage property in a foreign country​

• U.S. Code
• Notes

prev | next
(a)
(1)
Whoever, within the jurisdiction of the United States, conspires with one or more other persons, regardless of where such other person or persons are located, to commit at any place outside the United States an act that would constitute the offense of murder, kidnapping, or maiming if committed in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States shall, if any of the conspirators commits an act within the jurisdiction of the United States to effect any object of the conspiracy, be punished as provided in subsection (a)(2).
(2)The punishment for an offense under subsection (a)(1) of this section is—
(A)
imprisonment for any term of years or for life if the offense is conspiracy to murder or kidnap; and
(B)
imprisonment for not more than 35 years if the offense is conspiracy to maim.
(b)
Whoever, within the jurisdiction of the United States, conspires with one or more persons, regardless of where such other person or persons are located, to damage or destroy specific property situated within a foreign country and belonging to a foreign government or to any political subdivision thereof with which the United States is at peace, or any railroad, canal, bridge, airport, airfield, or other public utility, public conveyance, or public structure, or any religious, educational, or cultural property so situated, shall, if any of the conspirators commits an act within the jurisdiction of the United States to effect any object of the conspiracy, be imprisoned not more than 25 years.
...}

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Palestine was 95% Arab Muslim in 1930.
Almost all the Jews in Israel are there illegally.
They also know they never paid for the property they occupy.
So they all know they are criminals.
And attacking criminals (while they are committing their crimes), can never be terrorism.
Terrorism is when you illegally try to intimidate innocent civilians with violence.
Palestinians are legally trying to intimidate criminals into stopping their crimes.

Suicide bombing is a noble act of desperation against a more power but evil and criminal foe.
There essentially are no civilians in Israel, since everyone there is knowingly aiding a criminal occupation.

Palestine was 95% Arab Muslim in 1930.

And Israel is less than 95% Arab Muslim.

Almost all the Jews in Israel are there illegally.

Post the law they broke.

They also know they never paid for the property they occupy.

Darn, only Muslims can do they, eh?

So they all know they are criminals.

LOL!

And attacking criminals (while they are committing their crimes), can never be terrorism.

Killing terrorists isn't a crime. Even if they're in Gaza and hide behind civilians.

Suicide bombing is a noble act of desperation against a more power but evil and criminal foe.

And you know that....because you're an evil twat.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Conspiring with Israel to harm Palestinians violates many US laws.

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18 U.S. Code § 956 - Conspiracy to kill, kidnap, maim, or injure persons or damage property in a foreign country​

• U.S. Code
• Notes

prev | next
(a)
(1)
Whoever, within the jurisdiction of the United States, conspires with one or more other persons, regardless of where such other person or persons are located, to commit at any place outside the United States an act that would constitute the offense of murder, kidnapping, or maiming if committed in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States shall, if any of the conspirators commits an act within the jurisdiction of the United States to effect any object of the conspiracy, be punished as provided in subsection (a)(2).
(2)The punishment for an offense under subsection (a)(1) of this section is—
(A)
imprisonment for any term of years or for life if the offense is conspiracy to murder or kidnap; and
(B)
imprisonment for not more than 35 years if the offense is conspiracy to maim.
(b)
Whoever, within the jurisdiction of the United States, conspires with one or more persons, regardless of where such other person or persons are located, to damage or destroy specific property situated within a foreign country and belonging to a foreign government or to any political subdivision thereof with which the United States is at peace, or any railroad, canal, bridge, airport, airfield, or other public utility, public conveyance, or public structure, or any religious, educational, or cultural property so situated, shall, if any of the conspirators commits an act within the jurisdiction of the United States to effect any object of the conspiracy, be imprisoned not more than 25 years.
...}

18 U.S. Code § 956 - Conspiracy to kill, kidnap, maim, or injure persons or damage property in a foreign country​

Thanks for the link.

Which one says it's against the law to kill Muslim terrorists?

Whoever, within the jurisdiction of the United States, conspires with one or more other persons

Darn it, you forgot that conspiracy requires an illegal act.
Killing terrorists is still legal. Even if it makes you sad.