Should Democrats Subpoena Mike Pence?

[jc456]

If there is one star witness available to Democrats in Trump's second impeachment trial, it is his loyal VP:

America Needs to Hear from Mike Pence

"To call the former vice president a key figure in the events preceding and during the deadly January 6th insurrection would understate the matter.

"Pence amplified Trump during the president’s year-long campaign to undermine the integrity of the 2020 election, Pence remained in the executive branch during Trump’s post-election crusade to overturn the outcome, Pence presided over the Electoral College certification, and Pence ran for his life as the MAGA faithful used violence to try to stop that certification — all of this makes him the ultimate character witness and fact witness.

"He was also a target and a victim, as the chilling footage presented Wednesday by the House impeachment managers showed, fleeing to safety that day just moments before a mob seeking to kill him breached the Capitol’s inner sanctum."

If Mike was forced to testify under oath about the events of January 6th (or resort to filing lawsuits to avoid testifying) how would that affect his 2024 POTUS prospects?

Too late

 

[jc456]

It's critical to the prosecution to bring witnesses. They did a great job presenting the evidence against Trump - enough to stir strong emotions in even the GOP Senators.

Those GOP Senators were victims as well as eye-witnesses to the violence inflicted by Trump's MAGA mob. Some of them probably did not know how close they came to confronting armed insurrectionist in the halls of congress before House Managers began their presentations.

Possibly Oval Office eye-witnesses who would testify to Trump's alleged satisfaction with the rioters breeching the Capitol would inspire some GOP minds to change, but it is hard to escape the reality any minds that change today will face a well-funded primary challenge the next time they run for reelection.

Alleged satisfaction after the fact doesn't prove collusion before the fact.

I think that kind of testimony wouldn't be allowed as prejudicial

Part of the article of impeachment is accusing Trump of dereliction of duty for his failure to try to stop the mob and his failure t send the national guard.

Trump's state of mind during and after the attack is relevant.

How does a president do that? Explain

 

[marvin martian]

If there is one star witness available to Democrats in Trump's second impeachment trial, it is his loyal VP:

America Needs to Hear from Mike Pence

"To call the former vice president a key figure in the events preceding and during the deadly January 6th insurrection would understate the matter.

"Pence amplified Trump during the president’s year-long campaign to undermine the integrity of the 2020 election, Pence remained in the executive branch during Trump’s post-election crusade to overturn the outcome, Pence presided over the Electoral College certification, and Pence ran for his life as the MAGA faithful used violence to try to stop that certification — all of this makes him the ultimate character witness and fact witness.

"He was also a target and a victim, as the chilling footage presented Wednesday by the House impeachment managers showed, fleeing to safety that day just moments before a mob seeking to kill him breached the Capitol’s inner sanctum."

If Mike was forced to testify under oath about the events of January 6th (or resort to filing lawsuits to avoid testifying) how would that affect his 2024 POTUS prospects?

You do know this pretend "trial" the Democrats are having (while thousands a day die from Covid) has no subpoena power, right?

 

[georgephillip]

A fitting end to this embarrassment to the left would be subpoenaing Maxine Watters. That complete fool would be hilarious.

What role did Mad Max play in the MAGA mob's assault on the US Capitol?

 

[jc456]

A fitting end to this embarrassment to the left would be subpoenaing Maxine Watters. That complete fool would be hilarious.

What role did Mad Max play in the MAGA mob's assault on the US Capitol?

Started day one of Trump’s presidency.

If she didn’t have skin, her guts would have been all over the pavement

 

[georgephillip]

Too late

For what?

 

[marvin martian]

A fitting end to this embarrassment to the left would be subpoenaing Maxine Watters. That complete fool would be hilarious.

What role did Mad Max play in the MAGA mob's assault on the US Capitol?

You're confused. Maxine Waters incited people to go out and burn down black neighborhoods. Which you all did enthusiastically for six months.

 

[jc456]

Too late

For what?

What is it that confused you?

 

[georgephillip]

You do know this pretend "trial" the Democrats are having (while thousands a day die from Covid) has no subpoena power, right?

No, I don't.
Where did you get the idea congress lacks subpoena power?

Can Congress Force a President to Testify?

"In order for Congress to force the issue in this situation, said Wright, 'They would have to issue a subpoena, and then, in the face of an anticipated refusal to honor the subpoena from former president Trump, they would have to be willing to find him in contempt and then refer that to the U.S. Attorney for D.C. for potential criminal violation prosecution.'

"'Or they could use a statute that authorizes going to court for a civil enforcement of the subpoena, which is what we've seen from the House side in some of these cases that happened during the Trump era.'"

 

[marvin martian]

You do know this pretend "trial" the Democrats are having (while thousands a day die from Covid) has no subpoena power, right?

No, I don't.
Where did you get the idea congress lacks subpoena power?

Can Congress Force a President to Testify?

"In order for Congress to force the issue in this situation, said Wright, 'They would have to issue a subpoena, and then, in the face of an anticipated refusal to honor the subpoena from former president Trump, they would have to be willing to find him in contempt and then refer that to the U.S. Attorney for D.C. for potential criminal violation prosecution.'

"'Or they could use a statute that authorizes going to court for a civil enforcement of the subpoena, which is what we've seen from the House side in some of these cases that happened during the Trump era.'"

This is not a court trial, it's just a TV show for stupid people.

 

[georgephillip]

Started day one of Trump’s presidency.

If she didn’t have skin, her guts would have been all over the pavement

When did she incite her followers to attack the US Capitol, before or after she called for hanging Mike Pence?

 

[jc456]

Started day one of Trump’s presidency.

If she didn’t have skin, her guts would have been all over the pavement

When did she incite her followers to attack the US Capitol, before or after she called for hanging Mike Pence?

Day one of Trump’s presidency, did I stutter?

 

[georgephillip]

You're confused. Maxine Waters incited people to go out and burn down black neighborhoods. Which you all did enthusiastically for six months.

You seem unable to explain what role Maxine played in the events of January 6th when Trump's MAGA mob attacked the US Capitol?

 

[georgephillip]

What is it that confused you?

What you were referring to when you wrote "too late"?

 

[georgephillip]

Day one of Trump’s presidency, did I stutter?

Maxine Waters incited an armed mob of MAGA loons to storm the US Capitol on day one of Trump's presidency?

Got a link?

 

[georgephillip]

This is not a court trial, it's just a TV show for stupid people.

How stupid would someone have to be to vote for Don the Con?

 

[jc456]

You're confused. Maxine Waters incited people to go out and burn down black neighborhoods. Which you all did enthusiastically for six months.

You seem unable to explain what role Maxine played in the events of January 6th when Trump's MAGA mob attacked the US Capitol?

Day 1 of Trump‘a presidency.

See you can’t treat people like assholes without repercussions then steal an election and think all is forgiven. Too fking funny

 

[Stann]

If there is one star witness available to Democrats in Trump's second impeachment trial, it is his loyal VP:

America Needs to Hear from Mike Pence

"To call the former vice president a key figure in the events preceding and during the deadly January 6th insurrection would understate the matter.

"Pence amplified Trump during the president’s year-long campaign to undermine the integrity of the 2020 election, Pence remained in the executive branch during Trump’s post-election crusade to overturn the outcome, Pence presided over the Electoral College certification, and Pence ran for his life as the MAGA faithful used violence to try to stop that certification — all of this makes him the ultimate character witness and fact witness.

"He was also a target and a victim, as the chilling footage presented Wednesday by the House impeachment managers showed, fleeing to safety that day just moments before a mob seeking to kill him breached the Capitol’s inner sanctum."

If Mike was forced to testify under oath about the events of January 6th (or resort to filing lawsuits to avoid testifying) how would that affect his 2024 POTUS prospects?

I've said all along the guy the need to subpoena is stone he was the biggest part of trump's plan. Pence wouldn't go along with treason. He had to draw the line somewhere with crazy trump.

 

[badbob85037]

If there is one star witness available to Democrats in Trump's second impeachment trial, it is his loyal VP:

America Needs to Hear from Mike Pence

"To call the former vice president a key figure in the events preceding and during the deadly January 6th insurrection would understate the matter.

"Pence amplified Trump during the president’s year-long campaign to undermine the integrity of the 2020 election, Pence remained in the executive branch during Trump’s post-election crusade to overturn the outcome, Pence presided over the Electoral College certification, and Pence ran for his life as the MAGA faithful used violence to try to stop that certification — all of this makes him the ultimate character witness and fact witness.

"He was also a target and a victim, as the chilling footage presented Wednesday by the House impeachment managers showed, fleeing to safety that day just moments before a mob seeking to kill him breached the Capitol’s inner sanctum."

If Mike was forced to testify under oath about the events of January 6th (or resort to filing lawsuits to avoid testifying) how would that affect his 2024 POTUS prospects?

The best thing democRats can do is die and it should be painful.

 

[Stann]

If there is one star witness available to Democrats in Trump's second impeachment trial, it is his loyal VP:

America Needs to Hear from Mike Pence

"To call the former vice president a key figure in the events preceding and during the deadly January 6th insurrection would understate the matter.

"Pence amplified Trump during the president’s year-long campaign to undermine the integrity of the 2020 election, Pence remained in the executive branch during Trump’s post-election crusade to overturn the outcome, Pence presided over the Electoral College certification, and Pence ran for his life as the MAGA faithful used violence to try to stop that certification — all of this makes him the ultimate character witness and fact witness.

"He was also a target and a victim, as the chilling footage presented Wednesday by the House impeachment managers showed, fleeing to safety that day just moments before a mob seeking to kill him breached the Capitol’s inner sanctum."

If Mike was forced to testify under oath about the events of January 6th (or resort to filing lawsuits to avoid testifying) how would that affect his 2024 POTUS prospects?

That maybe so, but number two should be his buddy Stone, while Trump was encouraging the mob at the White House, Stone was coordinating attack plans at the Capitol with the heads of those militias. He was very important to the plan on disrupting the Congress. They're both ruthless psychopaths, they couldn't care less if the capital was burnt down with everybody in it.