Should Democrats be given 30 million new voters ?

[Socialist]

Wrong. Rights are a fact of nature. Rights are the rules that allow men to live together and thrive. Violate those rules and society declines. It's that simple.

Ok. Do immigrants have the right to citizenship in the US?

Mexicans and central Americans have just as much right to be citizens here as do people from India, England, Poland, Kenya, etc. no more or no less. Which is why everybody has to wait their turn for citizenship. Just because they have a convenient border to cross doesnt make it fair. Otherwise, lets just let 30 million people from every country in the world come here next month and well just 'sort it all out later'

Yes, they all have an equal right to be here: none.

Legal immigration works great and adds the flavour of other cultures, but its important that we know who those people are, so that they do not have criminal records or have skills to offer. Its also important that they are comming here because they want to be Americans and not just coming here for the money.

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

Bripat's idiocy shines with every post..

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Can you point out in my response where I referred to Obama as a Muslim and made it a focus of the discussion?

I was focusing in his rhetoric, how this president can speak aggressively on gun regulations with each shooting that occurs, while tip toeing how he responds to Muslim extremists, to which they are ... it's a matter of speaking a "fact" rather than ignoring it. Yes Obama is more concerned with his own self image with the Muslim community than he cares about those Americans which were beheaded. His efforts to be "politically correct" has NOT made us any safer, ISIS has not retreated in Iraq and Syria they have now expanded into regions of Africa. We are NOT any safer as a nation with Obama as president - period.

Time to grow up the world has never been a safe place.

We have a trained advanced military, we need to stop wasting time using them as "advisors". It's time to use some intelligence and have them in combat to which they were trained to do, be aggressive in the war on terrrori nstead of being hesitant and afraid.

We should let the middle east solve it's own problems.

When they behead Americans it is our problem, a president who ignores a threat towards citizens in his own country doesn't deserve to be in the executive seat.

 

[Maxx]

Ok. Do immigrants have the right to citizenship in the US?

Mexicans and central Americans have just as much right to be citizens here as do people from India, England, Poland, Kenya, etc. no more or no less. Which is why everybody has to wait their turn for citizenship. Just because they have a convenient border to cross doesnt make it fair. Otherwise, lets just let 30 million people from every country in the world come here next month and well just 'sort it all out later'

Yes, they all have an equal right to be here: none.

Legal immigration works great and adds the flavour of other cultures, but its important that we know who those people are, so that they do not have criminal records or have skills to offer. Its also important that they are comming here because they want to be Americans and not just coming here for the money.

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

Bripat's idiocy shines with every post..

What he posted is true.

There is no honest debate about illegal immigration.
Anyone who dares to mention how the illegal invaders are overloading our jails, hospitals and schools and driving down wages is labeled as a redneck racist.

The leftist dummies don't realize that their beloved political masters are just going to exploit these millions of unskilled low wage earners to keep themselves in power by tipping the political scales in their favor.

 

[daws101]

Mexicans and central Americans have just as much right to be citizens here as do people from India, England, Poland, Kenya, etc. no more or no less. Which is why everybody has to wait their turn for citizenship. Just because they have a convenient border to cross doesnt make it fair. Otherwise, lets just let 30 million people from every country in the world come here next month and well just 'sort it all out later'

Yes, they all have an equal right to be here: none.

Legal immigration works great and adds the flavour of other cultures, but its important that we know who those people are, so that they do not have criminal records or have skills to offer. Its also important that they are comming here because they want to be Americans and not just coming here for the money.

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

The grand dragon of chapter 666 klu klux Klan. Has spoken.

What an A-Hole. There isn't a single thing racist about what I posted. Accusing opponents of mass immigration of being racists is a classic sleazy left-wing tactic. Whenever you have no arguments, the lib just shouts "racist."

You're all a bunch of sleazy lying assholes who are taking a big shit on American workers.

True there is no"single"thing as all of it is racist.
You're so busy being a racist you can't tell the difference.

 

[daws101]

Can you point out in my response where I referred to Obama as a Muslim and made it a focus of the discussion?

I was focusing in his rhetoric, how this president can speak aggressively on gun regulations with each shooting that occurs, while tip toeing how he responds to Muslim extremists, to which they are ... it's a matter of speaking a "fact" rather than ignoring it. Yes Obama is more concerned with his own self image with the Muslim community than he cares about those Americans which were beheaded. His efforts to be "politically correct" has NOT made us any safer, ISIS has not retreated in Iraq and Syria they have now expanded into regions of Africa. We are NOT any safer as a nation with Obama as president - period.

Time to grow up the world has never been a safe place.

We have a trained advanced military, we need to stop wasting time using them as "advisors". It's time to use some intelligence and have them in combat to which they were trained to do, be aggressive in the war on terrrori nstead of being hesitant and afraid.

We should let the middle east solve it's own problems.

When they behead Americans it is our problem, a president who ignores a threat towards citizens in his own country doesn't deserve to be in the executive seat.

False.

 

[daws101]

Mexicans and central Americans have just as much right to be citizens here as do people from India, England, Poland, Kenya, etc. no more or no less. Which is why everybody has to wait their turn for citizenship. Just because they have a convenient border to cross doesnt make it fair. Otherwise, lets just let 30 million people from every country in the world come here next month and well just 'sort it all out later'

Yes, they all have an equal right to be here: none.

Legal immigration works great and adds the flavour of other cultures, but its important that we know who those people are, so that they do not have criminal records or have skills to offer. Its also important that they are comming here because they want to be Americans and not just coming here for the money.

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

Bripat's idiocy shines with every post..

What he posted is true.

There is no honest debate about illegal immigration.
Anyone who dares to mention how the illegal invaders are overloading our jails, hospitals and schools and driving down wages is labeled as a redneck racist.

The leftist dummies don't realize that their beloved political masters are just going to exploit these millions of unskilled low wage earners to keep themselves in power by tipping the political scales in their favor.

Lol!

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, they all have an equal right to be here: none.

Legal immigration works great and adds the flavour of other cultures, but its important that we know who those people are, so that they do not have criminal records or have skills to offer. Its also important that they are comming here because they want to be Americans and not just coming here for the money.

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

The grand dragon of chapter 666 klu klux Klan. Has spoken.

What an A-Hole. There isn't a single thing racist about what I posted. Accusing opponents of mass immigration of being racists is a classic sleazy left-wing tactic. Whenever you have no arguments, the lib just shouts "racist."

You're all a bunch of sleazy lying assholes who are taking a big shit on American workers.

True there is no"single"thing as all of it is racist.
You're so busy being a racist you can't tell the difference.

Whenever a lib has no facts or logic, he plays the race card. No one can honestly argue against sealing our border and controlling immigration So when you want to take a big shit on the American work, that's all you can do.

 

[daws101]

Legal immigration works great and adds the flavour of other cultures, but its important that we know who those people are, so that they do not have criminal records or have skills to offer. Its also important that they are comming here because they want to be Americans and not just coming here for the money.

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

The grand dragon of chapter 666 klu klux Klan. Has spoken.

What an A-Hole. There isn't a single thing racist about what I posted. Accusing opponents of mass immigration of being racists is a classic sleazy left-wing tactic. Whenever you have no arguments, the lib just shouts "racist."

You're all a bunch of sleazy lying assholes who are taking a big shit on American workers.

True there is no"single"thing as all of it is racist.
You're so busy being a racist you can't tell the difference.

Whenever a lib has no facts or logic, he plays the race card. No one can honestly argue against sealing our border and controlling immigration So when you want to take a big shit on the American work, that's all you can do.

Bullshit you're a racist own it!

 

[bripat9643]

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

The grand dragon of chapter 666 klu klux Klan. Has spoken.

What an A-Hole. There isn't a single thing racist about what I posted. Accusing opponents of mass immigration of being racists is a classic sleazy left-wing tactic. Whenever you have no arguments, the lib just shouts "racist."

You're all a bunch of sleazy lying assholes who are taking a big shit on American workers.

True there is no"single"thing as all of it is racist.
You're so busy being a racist you can't tell the difference.

Whenever a lib has no facts or logic, he plays the race card. No one can honestly argue against sealing our border and controlling immigration So when you want to take a big shit on the American work, that's all you can do.

Bullshit you're a racist own it!

You're right, you are full of shit. Actually, you're a piece of shit. Furthermore you're a sanctimonious traitor who wants to flood this country with immigrants from third world countries and drive American wages down to the poverty level solely so Democrats can win elections.

You're a despicable piece of shit.

 

[daws101]

The grand dragon of chapter 666 klu klux Klan. Has spoken.

What an A-Hole. There isn't a single thing racist about what I posted. Accusing opponents of mass immigration of being racists is a classic sleazy left-wing tactic. Whenever you have no arguments, the lib just shouts "racist."

You're all a bunch of sleazy lying assholes who are taking a big shit on American workers.

True there is no"single"thing as all of it is racist.
You're so busy being a racist you can't tell the difference.

Whenever a lib has no facts or logic, he plays the race card. No one can honestly argue against sealing our border and controlling immigration So when you want to take a big shit on the American work, that's all you can do.

Bullshit you're a racist own it!

You're right, you are full of shit. Actually, you're a piece of shit. Furthermore you're a sanctimonious traitor who wants to flood this country with immigrants from third world countries and drive American wages down to the poverty level solely so Democrats can win elections.

You're a despicable piece of shit.

 

[Yarddog]

Wrong. Rights are a fact of nature. Rights are the rules that allow men to live together and thrive. Violate those rules and society declines. It's that simple.

Ok. Do immigrants have the right to citizenship in the US?

Mexicans and central Americans have just as much right to be citizens here as do people from India, England, Poland, Kenya, etc. no more or no less. Which is why everybody has to wait their turn for citizenship. Just because they have a convenient border to cross doesnt make it fair. Otherwise, lets just let 30 million people from every country in the world come here next month and well just 'sort it all out later'

Yes, they all have an equal right to be here: none.

Legal immigration works great and adds the flavour of other cultures, but its important that we know who those people are, so that they do not have criminal records or have skills to offer. Its also important that they are comming here because they want to be Americans and not just coming here for the money.

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

I get your point, but HI-Bs represent a very small fraction of LEGAL immigrants. I think that is a seperate issue that could be handled. Anyone who would wait ten years and go through the hoops of what it takes to come here Legaly, is most likely WORTH having here. They will be the ones from their country who are the most driven and will likely start businesses and add to the economy. On average they would be light years ahead of illegal immigrants.

 

[bripat9643]

Ok. Do immigrants have the right to citizenship in the US?

Mexicans and central Americans have just as much right to be citizens here as do people from India, England, Poland, Kenya, etc. no more or no less. Which is why everybody has to wait their turn for citizenship. Just because they have a convenient border to cross doesnt make it fair. Otherwise, lets just let 30 million people from every country in the world come here next month and well just 'sort it all out later'

Yes, they all have an equal right to be here: none.

Legal immigration works great and adds the flavour of other cultures, but its important that we know who those people are, so that they do not have criminal records or have skills to offer. Its also important that they are comming here because they want to be Americans and not just coming here for the money.

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

I get your point, but HI-Bs represent a very small fraction of LEGAL immigrants. I think that is a seperate issue that could be handled. Anyone who would wait ten years and go through the hoops of what it takes to come here Legaly, is most likely WORTH having here. They will be the ones from their country who are the most driven and will likely start businesses and add to the economy. On average they would be light years ahead of illegal immigrants.

They driving down the wages of American citizens, and it doesn't take 10 years to get an H1-B. They can be obtained in a matter of months or even weeks. There are tens of thousands of kids with college diplomas in fields like computer science that can't get a job. Why should we import more of these people?

 

[Yarddog]

Mexicans and central Americans have just as much right to be citizens here as do people from India, England, Poland, Kenya, etc. no more or no less. Which is why everybody has to wait their turn for citizenship. Just because they have a convenient border to cross doesnt make it fair. Otherwise, lets just let 30 million people from every country in the world come here next month and well just 'sort it all out later'

Yes, they all have an equal right to be here: none.

Legal immigration works great and adds the flavour of other cultures, but its important that we know who those people are, so that they do not have criminal records or have skills to offer. Its also important that they are comming here because they want to be Americans and not just coming here for the money.

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

I get your point, but HI-Bs represent a very small fraction of LEGAL immigrants. I think that is a seperate issue that could be handled. Anyone who would wait ten years and go through the hoops of what it takes to come here Legaly, is most likely WORTH having here. They will be the ones from their country who are the most driven and will likely start businesses and add to the economy. On average they would be light years ahead of illegal immigrants.

They driving down the wages of American citizens, and it doesn't take 10 years to get an H1-B. They can be obtained in a matter of months or even weeks. There are tens of thousands of kids with college diplomas in fields like computer science that can't get a job. Why should we import more of these people?

Well, like i said, there is a difference between people who want to come here and be Americans, and those who want to just come here for the money and then go back to retire in their country of origin. i would agree we need to be doing something about the wages being driven down. your right, but I wouldnt blame that on legal immigrants, its the fault of either our government or the corporations who hire these people. There is something to be said for limiting these visas but to totaly shut down legal immigrants, I just have to disagree with . Of course, now that we have SO MANY illegal immigrants living here, it sort of ruins it for the legal ones. Its not their fault.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, they all have an equal right to be here: none.

Legal immigration works great and adds the flavour of other cultures, but its important that we know who those people are, so that they do not have criminal records or have skills to offer. Its also important that they are comming here because they want to be Americans and not just coming here for the money.

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

I get your point, but HI-Bs represent a very small fraction of LEGAL immigrants. I think that is a seperate issue that could be handled. Anyone who would wait ten years and go through the hoops of what it takes to come here Legaly, is most likely WORTH having here. They will be the ones from their country who are the most driven and will likely start businesses and add to the economy. On average they would be light years ahead of illegal immigrants.

They driving down the wages of American citizens, and it doesn't take 10 years to get an H1-B. They can be obtained in a matter of months or even weeks. There are tens of thousands of kids with college diplomas in fields like computer science that can't get a job. Why should we import more of these people?

Well, like i said, there is a difference between people who want to come here and be Americans, and those who want to just come here for the money and then go back to retire in their country of origin. i would agree we need to be doing something about the wages being driven down. your right, but I wouldnt blame that on legal immigrants, its the fault of either our government or the corporations who hire these people. There is something to be said for limiting these visas but to totaly shut down legal immigrants, I just have to disagree with . Of course, now that we have SO MANY illegal immigrants living here, it sort of ruins it for the legal ones. Its not their fault.

What's your objection to entirely shutting down immigration?

We did it in the past.

 

[daws101]

Legal immigration works great and adds the flavour of other cultures, but its important that we know who those people are, so that they do not have criminal records or have skills to offer. Its also important that they are comming here because they want to be Americans and not just coming here for the money.

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

I get your point, but HI-Bs represent a very small fraction of LEGAL immigrants. I think that is a seperate issue that could be handled. Anyone who would wait ten years and go through the hoops of what it takes to come here Legaly, is most likely WORTH having here. They will be the ones from their country who are the most driven and will likely start businesses and add to the economy. On average they would be light years ahead of illegal immigrants.

They driving down the wages of American citizens, and it doesn't take 10 years to get an H1-B. They can be obtained in a matter of months or even weeks. There are tens of thousands of kids with college diplomas in fields like computer science that can't get a job. Why should we import more of these people?

Well, like i said, there is a difference between people who want to come here and be Americans, and those who want to just come here for the money and then go back to retire in their country of origin. i would agree we need to be doing something about the wages being driven down. your right, but I wouldnt blame that on legal immigrants, its the fault of either our government or the corporations who hire these people. There is something to be said for limiting these visas but to totaly shut down legal immigrants, I just have to disagree with . Of course, now that we have SO MANY illegal immigrants living here, it sort of ruins it for the legal ones. Its not their fault.

What's your objection to entirely shutting down immigration?

We did it in the past.

Only temporarily you covenantly left that out.

 

[bripat9643]

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

I get your point, but HI-Bs represent a very small fraction of LEGAL immigrants. I think that is a seperate issue that could be handled. Anyone who would wait ten years and go through the hoops of what it takes to come here Legaly, is most likely WORTH having here. They will be the ones from their country who are the most driven and will likely start businesses and add to the economy. On average they would be light years ahead of illegal immigrants.

They driving down the wages of American citizens, and it doesn't take 10 years to get an H1-B. They can be obtained in a matter of months or even weeks. There are tens of thousands of kids with college diplomas in fields like computer science that can't get a job. Why should we import more of these people?

Well, like i said, there is a difference between people who want to come here and be Americans, and those who want to just come here for the money and then go back to retire in their country of origin. i would agree we need to be doing something about the wages being driven down. your right, but I wouldnt blame that on legal immigrants, its the fault of either our government or the corporations who hire these people. There is something to be said for limiting these visas but to totaly shut down legal immigrants, I just have to disagree with . Of course, now that we have SO MANY illegal immigrants living here, it sort of ruins it for the legal ones. Its not their fault.

What's your objection to entirely shutting down immigration?

We did it in the past.

Only temporarily you covenantly left that out.

So what's your objection?

 

[daws101]

I get your point, but HI-Bs represent a very small fraction of LEGAL immigrants. I think that is a seperate issue that could be handled. Anyone who would wait ten years and go through the hoops of what it takes to come here Legaly, is most likely WORTH having here. They will be the ones from their country who are the most driven and will likely start businesses and add to the economy. On average they would be light years ahead of illegal immigrants.

They driving down the wages of American citizens, and it doesn't take 10 years to get an H1-B. They can be obtained in a matter of months or even weeks. There are tens of thousands of kids with college diplomas in fields like computer science that can't get a job. Why should we import more of these people?

Well, like i said, there is a difference between people who want to come here and be Americans, and those who want to just come here for the money and then go back to retire in their country of origin. i would agree we need to be doing something about the wages being driven down. your right, but I wouldnt blame that on legal immigrants, its the fault of either our government or the corporations who hire these people. There is something to be said for limiting these visas but to totaly shut down legal immigrants, I just have to disagree with . Of course, now that we have SO MANY illegal immigrants living here, it sort of ruins it for the legal ones. Its not their fault.

What's your objection to entirely shutting down immigration?

We did it in the past.

Only temporarily you covenantly left that out.

So what's your objection?

Racist ***** like you wanting it .

 

[Yarddog]

Legal immigration works great and adds the flavour of other cultures, but its important that we know who those people are, so that they do not have criminal records or have skills to offer. Its also important that they are comming here because they want to be Americans and not just coming here for the money.

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

I get your point, but HI-Bs represent a very small fraction of LEGAL immigrants. I think that is a seperate issue that could be handled. Anyone who would wait ten years and go through the hoops of what it takes to come here Legaly, is most likely WORTH having here. They will be the ones from their country who are the most driven and will likely start businesses and add to the economy. On average they would be light years ahead of illegal immigrants.

They driving down the wages of American citizens, and it doesn't take 10 years to get an H1-B. They can be obtained in a matter of months or even weeks. There are tens of thousands of kids with college diplomas in fields like computer science that can't get a job. Why should we import more of these people?

Well, like i said, there is a difference between people who want to come here and be Americans, and those who want to just come here for the money and then go back to retire in their country of origin. i would agree we need to be doing something about the wages being driven down. your right, but I wouldnt blame that on legal immigrants, its the fault of either our government or the corporations who hire these people. There is something to be said for limiting these visas but to totaly shut down legal immigrants, I just have to disagree with . Of course, now that we have SO MANY illegal immigrants living here, it sort of ruins it for the legal ones. Its not their fault.

What's your objection to entirely shutting down immigration?

We did it in the past.

There's always room for someone who is bringing skill and not going to be a burden on society. If you stopped all legal immigration tomorrow , it wouldn't make a difference along side whats happening with Illegal immigrants. Better to focus on the real problem. Immigrants who come here Legally are generally very patriotic I believe and value being Americans, i think your using a very broad brush, thats all.

 

[bripat9643]

They driving down the wages of American citizens, and it doesn't take 10 years to get an H1-B. They can be obtained in a matter of months or even weeks. There are tens of thousands of kids with college diplomas in fields like computer science that can't get a job. Why should we import more of these people?

Well, like i said, there is a difference between people who want to come here and be Americans, and those who want to just come here for the money and then go back to retire in their country of origin. i would agree we need to be doing something about the wages being driven down. your right, but I wouldnt blame that on legal immigrants, its the fault of either our government or the corporations who hire these people. There is something to be said for limiting these visas but to totaly shut down legal immigrants, I just have to disagree with . Of course, now that we have SO MANY illegal immigrants living here, it sort of ruins it for the legal ones. Its not their fault.

What's your objection to entirely shutting down immigration?

We did it in the past.

Only temporarily you covenantly left that out.

So what's your objection?

Racist ***** like you wanting it .

In other words, you have no rational objection.

There's nothing inherently racist about shutting down immigration. The only people who object to it are traitorous scumbags like you who want to flood this country with cheap labor from third world countries - Democrats, in other words.

 

[bripat9643]

Legal immigration needs to be stopped as well. How does it "work great?" The wages of software consultants hasn't increased in 15 years because of all the H1-Bs corporations have imported from India

I get your point, but HI-Bs represent a very small fraction of LEGAL immigrants. I think that is a seperate issue that could be handled. Anyone who would wait ten years and go through the hoops of what it takes to come here Legaly, is most likely WORTH having here. They will be the ones from their country who are the most driven and will likely start businesses and add to the economy. On average they would be light years ahead of illegal immigrants.

They driving down the wages of American citizens, and it doesn't take 10 years to get an H1-B. They can be obtained in a matter of months or even weeks. There are tens of thousands of kids with college diplomas in fields like computer science that can't get a job. Why should we import more of these people?

Well, like i said, there is a difference between people who want to come here and be Americans, and those who want to just come here for the money and then go back to retire in their country of origin. i would agree we need to be doing something about the wages being driven down. your right, but I wouldnt blame that on legal immigrants, its the fault of either our government or the corporations who hire these people. There is something to be said for limiting these visas but to totaly shut down legal immigrants, I just have to disagree with . Of course, now that we have SO MANY illegal immigrants living here, it sort of ruins it for the legal ones. Its not their fault.

What's your objection to entirely shutting down immigration?

We did it in the past.

There's always room for someone who is bringing skill and not going to be a burden on society.

Not true when we already have an oversupply of people with those skills.

If you stopped all legal immigration tomorrow , it wouldn't make a difference along side whats happening with Illegal immigrants. Better to focus on the real problem. Immigrants who come here Legally are generally very patriotic I believe and value being Americans, i think your using a very broad brush, thats all.

I have no idea what the above is supposed to mean, but the problem is immigration of people from third world countries willing to work for below market wages. It doesn't matter whether they are legal or illegal. Furthermore, my experience is that even these immigrants tend to vote Democrat, which isn't going to help getting the problem solved.